President Trump Orders Closure of All DIE Offices!

[Big girl]

3 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

How racist of you😂😂😂

jk

It is the truth. Baddog proves that.

[baddog]

Hey, I’ve got a following. Not sure that’s a good thing. Lmao

[bullets13]

3 hours ago, Big girl said:

Yeah whatever. It gives qualified minorities a chance. How many white people have been chosen over a more qualified minority simply because they are white?

You left out the word “less” in front of qualified minorities. And you still haven’t answered my question. Would you rather have a minority doctor work on your son’s brain than a more qualified doctor? 

[Big girl]

3 hours ago, bullets13 said:

You left out the word “less” in front of qualified minorities. And you still haven’t answered my question. Would you rather have a minority doctor work on your son’s brain than a more qualified doctor? 

Again both doctors went through the same rigorous training in medical school, and during their residency. So, it doesn't matter. Do you think that there are some whites that get into medical school before qualified blacks just because they are white. People assumed that my son got into Baylor because of affirmative action, but that's not the case. He is very intelligent. You guys seem to think that every minority person got their position because of "DEI" which is stupid.

[Big girl]

4 hours ago, bullets13 said:

You left out the word “less” in front of qualified minorities. And you still haven’t answered my question. Would you rather have a minority doctor work on your son’s brain than a more qualified doctor? 

So all minorities are less qualified?

[Reagan]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

Again both doctors went through the same rigorous training in medical school, and during their residency. So, it doesn't matter. Do you think that there are some whites that get into medical school before qualified blacks just because they are white. People assumed that my son got into Baylor because of affirmative action, but that's not the case. He is very intelligent. You guys seem to think that every minority person got their position because of "DEI" which is stupid.

You may be right.  But, to be honest -- as long as there is/was DEI out there, you can't say for sure that it wasn't because of DEI!

[bullets13]

12 hours ago, Big girl said:

So all minorities are less qualified?

No. Which is why I've repeatedly stated that I'll take the best surgeon, regardless of race. But DEI initiatives that placed minority status over ability and qualifications led to less qualified doctors, surgeons, pilots, etc., not to mention less capable college students who will later enter specialized fields in the workforce. I'm not sure how you haven't gleaned this from my posts, but I'm all for the most deserving and capable students and workers advancing. I have no issue with a black female brain surgeon working on my brain, but I want it to be because she's the best brain surgeon available. I DO NOT want a black, female brain surgeon working on me who only made it into med school over more intelligent, capable students because she was a black female, and then was hired by a hospital over more qualified surgeons to fulfill yet another DEI initiative. 

[bullets13]

13 hours ago, Big girl said:

Again both doctors went through the same rigorous training in medical school, and during their residency. So, it doesn't matter. Do you think that there are some whites that get into medical school before qualified blacks just because they are white. People assumed that my son got into Baylor because of affirmative action, but that's not the case. He is very intelligent. You guys seem to think that every minority person got their position because of "DEI" which is stupid.

All nurses got the same degree and had to complete the same trainings. Are all nurses equal? Are there good nurses and okay nurses? Are there bad nurses? Are some nurses smarter and better at their job than others? These same questions apply to doctors. 

[5GallonBucket]

I’m trying so hard not to shake my head

[Big girl]

4 hours ago, bullets13 said:

No. Which is why I've repeatedly stated that I'll take the best surgeon, regardless of race. But DEI initiatives that placed minority status over ability and qualifications led to less qualified doctors, surgeons, pilots, etc., not to mention less capable college students who will later enter specialized fields in the workforce. I'm not sure how you haven't gleaned this from my posts, but I'm all for the most deserving and capable students and workers advancing. I have no issue with a black female brain surgeon working on my brain, but I want it to be because she's the best brain surgeon available. I DO NOT want a black, female brain surgeon working on me who only made it into med school over more intelligent, capable students because she was a black female, and then was hired by a hospital over more qualified surgeons to fulfill yet another DEI initiative. 

Yet she went through medical school successfully and passed the state board, so how would you know that she was admitted as a "DEI"

[bullets13]

13 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Yet she went through medical school successfully and passed the state board, so how would you know that she was admitted as a "DEI"

She’s a hypothetical person, so… still waiting on your answer to my original question. 

[5GallonBucket]

3 hours ago, bullets13 said:

She’s a hypothetical person, so… still waiting on your answer to my original question. 

You won’t get one or at least not the truth….who knows she may sacrifice a loved one (pride) just to prove a point.

[PAMFAM10]

It’s not about most qualified or not. Systems was put into place because the history of this country. 
one will have to believe that the history is well beyond us. Legacy hires and college acceptance rates to legacies are Just as bad. Would you rather have a rich kid performing surgery on your love one or the most qualified. 
 

In 2025 would you rather check off with

White

 black

 Hispanic

 or

 Asian 

on your job application, college admissions?

 I’m  all for best man for the job? But is this country?

 

 

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, PAMFAM10 said:

It’s not about most qualified or not. Systems was put into place because the history of this country. 
one will have to believe that the history is well beyond us. Legacy hires and college acceptance rates to legacies are Just as bad. Would you rather have a rich kid performing surgery on your love one or the most qualified. 
 

In 2025 would you rather check off with

White

 black

 Hispanic

 or

 Asian 

on your job application, college admissions?

 I’m  all for best man for the job? But is this country?

 

 

How about we don't include name or race on the job application or college admission. 

When I managed Service Merchandise (I had 100 employees) - when I received applications. I made copies of them leaving out name and address. I gave them to my hiring manager and he called them in for interviews not knowing name, age sex or race. He and she(I had a couple)  called them in based on qualifications ......and that was from 1996 to 2002....

[Big girl]

23 hours ago, bullets13 said:

All nurses got the same degree and had to complete the same trainings. Are all nurses equal? Are there good nurses and okay nurses? Are there bad nurses? Are some nurses smarter and better at their job than others? These same questions apply to doctors. 

Being a good or bad nurse has nothing to do with "DEI". Why do you think   that is the case? There is nursing shortage, hospitals are not hiring based on race or gender. They are not tfhing to fill "quotas" In nursing, men are considered the minority, no one has ever told my husband that he was hired because he is a male. 

[Big girl]

5 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

How about we don't include name or race on the job application or college admission. 

When I managed Service Merchandise (I had 100 employees) - when I received applications. I made copies of them leaving out name and address. I gave them to my hiring manager and he called them in for interviews not knowing name, age sex or race. He and she(I had a couple)  called them in based on qualifications ......and that was from 1996 to 2002....

That's not a bad idea, because some people assume that Whites are more qualified than minorities so they are hired  more than them

[baddog]

40 minutes ago, Big girl said:

That's not a bad idea, because some people assume that Whites are more qualified than minorities so they are hired  more than them

Your whole problem stems from the fact that you think blacks should be hired over whites for any and every position there is. Should any white get the job, it will always be because he/she was white, not more qualified. You should stop calling everybody else racist, just look in the mirror.

Kamala Harris is the perfect example of a DEI hire. When Biden said he needed a running mate, there were lots of capable people available. When he said it has to be a woman (that’s the female gender), that excluded all men. When he said she has to be black, that excluded all other races. Look what that produced…..a cackling, word salad fool. Is that what you call being fair and non-racist?

[bullets13]

54 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Being a good or bad nurse has nothing to do with "DEI". Why do you think   that is the case? There is nursing shortage, hospitals are not hiring based on race or gender. They are not tfhing to fill "quotas" In nursing, men are considered the minority, no one has ever told my husband that he was hired because he is a male. 

At this point I'm not sure I can simplify the points I'm making enough to get them to where you can understand them.

[tvc184]

On 1/27/2025 at 10:20 PM, Big girl said:

Again both doctors went through the same rigorous training in medical school, and during their residency. So, it doesn't matter. Do you think that there are some whites that get into medical school before qualified blacks just because they are white. People assumed that my son got into Baylor because of affirmative action, but that's not the case. He is very intelligent. You guys seem to think that every minority person got their position because of "DEI" which is stupid.

No but apparently Asians are.

According to the Association of American Medical Colleges, almost 22% of medical school graduates are Asian. Their population in the US is reportedly 6%. So they are graduating doctors at a pace almost 400% higher than their population. 

 The White population is about 61% yet they are graduating only 55% of medical students so 10% lower than their population.

It seems like Asians are bumping everyone. 

My PCP is Asian, my dentist is Indian and my wife’s PCP and dentist are both Asian. My wife’s only surgery was from a surgeon who is Black. 

My younger brother recently had stents put in one of his carotid arteries by his cardiologist who is Asian as well as his pulmonologist.

Those darn Asians! 🤣

My brother’s neurologist is Black.

But hey, his PCP is White…..

So out of eight physicians from my immediate family members, five are Asian, two are Black and one is White. Neither I nor any of my family has ever claimed that we are dissatisfied with our care nor thought our physicians were DEI hires.

 That is awesome about your son. There was no need for affirmative action nor DEI anything, as it should be. Congratulations. 

[Big girl]

11 hours ago, baddog said:

Your whole problem stems from the fact that you think blacks should be hired over whites for any and every position there is. Should any white get the job, it will always be because he/she was white, not more qualified. You should stop calling everybody else racist, just look in the mirror.

Kamala Harris is the perfect example of a DEI hire. When Biden said he needed a running mate, there were lots of capable people available. When he said it has to be a woman (that’s the female gender), that excluded all men. When he said she has to be black, that excluded all other races. Look what that produced…..a cackling, word salad fool. Is that what you call being fair and non-racist?

B.S you think Whites should be hired because they are white. You don't think a minority can be more qualified than a white person, which is stupid

[PAMFAM10]

On 1/29/2025 at 10:50 AM, thetragichippy said:

How about we don't include name or race on the job application or college admission. 

When I managed Service Merchandise (I had 100 employees) - when I received applications. I made copies of them leaving out name and address. I gave them to my hiring manager and he called them in for interviews not knowing name, age sex or race. He and she(I had a couple)  called them in based on qualifications ......and that was from 1996 to 2002....

100 percent agree if race doesn’t matter why have it on applications . Hippy 2028

[tvc184]

1 hour ago, PAMFAM10 said:

100 percent agree if race doesn’t matter why have it on applications . Hippy 2028

👍🏼

Check references, work, history, schools, criminal history, etc. Of course it wil likely go to a face to face interview. 

It should be by meritocracy. Each to his own ability.

 Which party is going to be the hurdle to removing race from job applications?

I have seen it personally in the hiring process where I worked. That is only one location but I wonder…….

[PAMFAM10]

24 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

👍🏼

Check references, work, history, schools, criminal history, etc. Of course it wil likely go to a face to face interview. 

It should be by meritocracy. Each to his own ability.

 Which party is going to be the hurdle to removing race from job applications?

I have seen it personally in the hiring process where I worked. That is only one location but I wonder…….

I’ve seen it in my hiring process. As an interviewer and as an applicant Don’t care for what party this or that. Let’s just get rid of asking ppl if their white black or Hispanic. Credentials should be enough. And again Legacy applications should be removed also best man/woman available across the board.

[baddog]

32 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

👍🏼

Check references, work, history, schools, criminal history, etc. Of course it wil likely go to a face to face interview. 

It should be by meritocracy. Each to his own ability.

 Which party is going to be the hurdle to removing race from job applications?

I have seen it personally in the hiring process where I worked. That is only one location but I wonder…….

I almost posted that it can be removed from an application, but if it came down to an interview, then it doesn’t matter. Lots of places don’t even interview anymore. I also believe in a 90 day probation period where you can be terminated if it looks like you’re not going to pan out……constantly late, call in sick, your cat died….etc.

[Big girl]

On 1/29/2025 at 11:51 AM, bullets13 said:

At this point I'm not sure I can simplify the points I'm making enough to get them to where you can understand them.

Let me simplify it. Minorities are not being hired because companies want to fill "quotas". That is an excuse that the uneducated, disenfranchised ,white male made up to make him feel better about his failures. If black people were getting these "DEI" jobs, the unemployment rate for blacks would be lower than their white counterparts.