Reagan Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 One has to wonder about this! It appears that the helicopter went straight at the jet. I saw the video of it. Again, this is what appears to have taken place! Quote
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Boyz N Da Hood Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Why am I not surprised this is not a topic on here? 2 weeks ago it would've been all Biden fault... of course Donald is blaming Biden and democrats. U can't make this stuff up tvc184 1 Quote
SmashMouth Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 21 minutes ago, Boyz N Da Hood said: Why am I not surprised this is not a topic on here? 2 weeks ago it would've been all Biden fault... of course Donald is blaming Biden and democrats. U can't make this stuff up I don't have the energy... LumRaiderFan 1 Quote
tvc184 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 The air traffic controllers (ATC) were in contact with both aircraft (as they had to be in that class of airspace). The helicopter asked for “visual separation” which was approved by ATC. Visual separation is relying on eyes to see and avoid other aircraft and not rely only ATC instructions or vectoring. Visual separation can only occur in clear conditions where other aircraft can be easily seen. This was a crystal clear night. Quote
thetragichippy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 I'm going to move this to the locker room as I did Reagans post about same subject Quote
tvc184 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 37 minutes ago, Boyz N Da Hood said: Why am I not surprised this is not a topic on here? 2 weeks ago it would've been all Biden fault... of course Donald is blaming Biden and democrats. U can't make this stuff up It was posted 9 hours ago but was moved to the locker room forum where it belongs. That’s what got you confused. thetragichippy 1 Quote
thetragichippy Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, tvc184 said: The air traffic controllers (ATC) were in contact with both aircraft (as they had to be in that class of airspace). The helicopter asked for “visual separation” which was approved by ATC. Visual separation is relying on eyes to see and avoid other aircraft and not rely only ATC instructions or vectoring. Visual separation can only occur in clear conditions where other aircraft can be easily seen. This was a crystal clear night. I don't think there is some weird plot going on - but strange Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Boyz N Da Hood said: Why am I not surprised this is not a topic on here? 2 weeks ago it would've been all Biden fault... of course Donald is blaming Biden and democrats. U can't make this stuff up lol, TDS on display. Quote
baddog Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 There is a certain amount of air space for airports. Should this chopper have even been there? I heard no warnings about encroachment. Just the way I think. I could be wrong. Quote
SmashMouth Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Boyz N Da Hood said: Why am I not surprised this is not a topic on here? 2 weeks ago it would've been all Biden fault... of course Donald is blaming Biden and democrats. U can't make this stuff up He never came out and said it was the fault of the previous administration. He did, however elude to the FAA's previous DEI requirements brought about under the Biden administration. "The Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) "targeted disabilities" policy drew criticism from public figures Monday. The guidelines, announced in March 2022, set an annual FAA hiring goal of 3% for severely impaired employees. The listed disabilities include psychiatric and intellectual impairments, complete and partial paralysis, blindness, deafness, missing extremities, epilepsy and dwarfism. The FAA states the "targeted disabilities" category is the only protected group for which federal agencies can have a hiring goal since severely disabled workers face the most challenges with obtaining employment. The agency also claims diversity is “integral” to ensuring “safe” and “efficient” travel across the world." - Pilot Magazine Trump never said that's what specifically caused the accident. Quote
tvc184 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 2 hours ago, SmashMouth said: He never came out and said it was the fault of the previous administration. He did, however elude to the FAA's previous DEI requirements brought about under the Biden administration. "The Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) "targeted disabilities" policy drew criticism from public figures Monday. The guidelines, announced in March 2022, set an annual FAA hiring goal of 3% for severely impaired employees. The listed disabilities include psychiatric and intellectual impairments, complete and partial paralysis, blindness, deafness, missing extremities, epilepsy and dwarfism. The FAA states the "targeted disabilities" category is the only protected group for which federal agencies can have a hiring goal since severely disabled workers face the most challenges with obtaining employment. The agency also claims diversity is “integral” to ensuring “safe” and “efficient” travel across the world." - Pilot Magazine Trump never said that's what specifically caused the accident. Yes I think it was at least three times that he specifically stated that the air traffic controllers were not known to be at fault. He made that statement during his opening remarks, saying that there was no evidence that the ATC was at fault and at least two more questions when reporters tried to get him to say that it was their fault. He denied it any such claims conclusions. Quote
Reagan Posted January 30 Author Report Posted January 30 4 hours ago, Boyz N Da Hood said: Why am I not surprised this is not a topic on here? 2 weeks ago it would've been all Biden fault... of course Donald is blaming Biden and democrats. U can't make this stuff up Trump hasn't blamed anyone yet. We don't have all the facts. But, if you want to go there here it is: What's the deal with "FAA's diversity push includes focus on hiring people with 'severe intellectual' and 'psychiatric' disabilities? This was under JoeBama. Trump put a stop to it!! Quote
mat Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 I think it was premature and irresponsible to immediately bring up DEI as the potential problem. bullets13 1 Quote
LumRaiderFan Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 32 minutes ago, mat said: I think it was premature and irresponsible to immediately bring up DEI as the potential problem. It was much more irresponsible to implement the nonsense in the first place, I’m looking forward to 4 years of a leader that doesn’t consider the reaction of the left for every move he makes, it’s gonna be negative no matter what. Quote
Reagan Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 Just as a reminder of what we went through and the need to scrub DEI! Quote
Reagan Posted January 31 Author Report Posted January 31 From the Daily Mail: "...an air traffic controller at Reagan National was left to handle both helicopter traffic and manage planes - which should have been a divided duty. Those tasks are usually handled between two people from 10am until 9:30pm, according to the report." I had heard earlier that there was only one traffic controller on duty at this time! Quote
bullets13 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 what a tragedy this was, and completely avoidable. Quote
thetragichippy Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, bullets13 said: what a tragedy this was, and completely avoidable. Completely Quote
tvc184 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 I wonder what systems the helicopter had and what was required. Large passenger aircraft are required to have a TCAS operating which is a collision avoidance system. It should detect a conflict in flight paths but military aircraft might not have them. The TCAS should give avoidance instructions to the pilots like it might say descend or pull up to avoid collision. It should give opposite directions to the opposing aircraft, telling one to ascend and the other to descend. I am assuming that the helicopter didn’t have that system. I think…. I am a pilot but have never flown a plane with TCAS. Quote
tvc184 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 3 hours ago, bullets13 said: what a tragedy this was, and completely avoidable. Yes, it appears to be human error. Quote
thetragichippy Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 1 hour ago, tvc184 said: I wonder what systems the helicopter had and what was required. Not sure what is required, but did listen to someone that said a collision avoidance system would not work on that helicopter due to how old it is, and in combat they fly close sometimes and it would not be practical. Quote
bullets13 Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 On 1/30/2025 at 11:01 AM, Boyz N Da Hood said: Why am I not surprised this is not a topic on here? 2 weeks ago it would've been all Biden fault... of course Donald is blaming Biden and democrats. U can't make this stuff up I've been pleased with the Donald so far. This is the first thing he's said that has had me shaking my head. Not much different than dems bringing up gun control after a mass shooting. Quote
baddog Posted January 31 Report Posted January 31 29 minutes ago, bullets13 said: I've been pleased with the Donald so far. This is the first thing he's said that has had me shaking my head. Not much different than dems bringing up gun control after a mass shooting. Me too, but I don’t think it matters when it was brought up. Trump will never please everyone no matter what he does. Was it DEI….possibly. I can’t imagine hiring someone with epilepsy to man a lighted screen for hours…..doesn’t make sense, especially given the safety required. I do believe it is on the traffic controllers. That chopper should have been observed and communicated with way before the crash. Understaffed…..that’s on the FAA. The whole situation was/is a recipe for disaster. Quote
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