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[TxHoops]

1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

Ticket for speeding is $250. To a rich guy it’s a joke… he’ll drop that playing a round of golf today. To a mom whose lights are being shut off tomorrow, that $250 ticket is soul-crushing. 
 

They both got the same punishment, it just stings a little bit worse if you’re HD. 

 

And maybe next time the parents/fans/etc at HD will keep their dumb butts in the stands where they belong. 

There’s probably no bigger fan of your trolling on this site than me.  But this is 2.7/10.  

[CardinalBacker]

40 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

There’s probably no bigger fan of your trolling on this site than me.  But this is 2.7/10.  

So… one of the punishments for having a DWI is losing your license for a year. Two guys get DWIs, but one of them has never had a license. You’re arguing it’s unfair that drunk HD (who had a license) loses his license for a year, while drunk B(ville) isn’t affected because he didn’t have a license anyways. 
 

The fact is this.  If your team wants to go all “Malice in the Palace,” you’re done for the year. If you’re dumb enough to mix it up with a school who isn’t worried about missing the playoffs, that’s just compounded ignorance. 
 

The fact that y’all keep arguing that punishments handed out identically are somehow unfair because it affects one team worse than the other is just female energy. 

[AggiesAreWe]

3 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

So… one of the punishments for having a DWI is losing your license for a year. Two guys get DWIs, but one of them has never had a license. You’re arguing it’s unfair that drunk HD (who had a license) loses his license for a year, while drunk B(ville) isn’t affected because he didn’t have a license anyways. 
 

The fact is this.  If your team wants to go all “Malice in the Palace,” you’re done for the year. If you’re dumb enough to mix it up with a school who isn’t worried about missing the playoffs, that’s just compounded ignorance. 
 

The fact that y’all keep arguing that punishments handed out identically are somehow unfair because it affects one team worse than the other is just female energy. 

But that's the point. There was no punishment given to Burkeville by UIL. Just shotty reporting by the two TV stations stating they did. UIL ONLY punished Hull-Daisetta because they were the ONLY playoff team out of the two. That's the facts. I know this because I have spoken to all the parties involved, including DEC and SEC reps.

Burkeville and Hull-Daisetta did get the same reprimands to each coach and players suspended. But ONLY H-D got the playoff ban. There was no ban available to be given to Burkeville due to them not having qualified for the playoffs because of their results in district play.

Now had UIL given Burkeville a playoff ban for next year, then you could have an argument. But that is not the case.

How do you not understand?

I do believe it's all a troll on your behave or you are not as intelligent as I thought.

 

[LumRaiderFan]

3 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

But that's the point. There was no punishment given to Burkeville by UIL. Just shotty reporting by the two TV stations stating they did. UIL ONLY punished Hull-Daisetta because they were the ONLY playoff team out of the two. That's the facts. I know this because I have spoken to all the parties involved, including DEC and SEC reps.

Burkeville and Hull-Daisetta did get the same reprimands to each coach and players suspended. But ONLY H-D got the playoff ban. There was no ban available to be given to Burkeville due to them not having qualified for the playoffs because of their results in district play.

Now had UIL given Burkeville a playoff ban for next year, then you could have an argument. But that is not the case.

How do you not understand?

I do believe it's all a troll on your behave or you are not as intelligent as I thought.

 

He’s still moping over recent events, just trying to win an argument anywhere he can. 🙂

[CardinalBacker]

Far be it from me to take sides, but…

My understanding of the situation is that a kid from Burkeville (possibly an ejected player?) was in the stands behind the HD bench and started the incident, escalating it by taking a swing at an HD Player. The footage then shows multiple HD players heading into the stands punching that kid and possibly others. Then you see the Burkeville players come into frame from the right and join the melee. The balance of the footage shows a scrum on the floor with at least two parents punching a BVille kid…. Not trying to break up the fight, but joining in. 
 

The punishment handed to HD is far too light in my opinion. But it’s kind of hard to punish different kids next year for what these kids/parents did this year. 
 

The outcome(s) would have been totally different if the HD kid who got punched had stepped away. Even if HE retaliated and got punished, it wouldn’t have been a big deal. But when pretty much the entire HD team (and community) got into it, the situation changed. 
 

If HD players and fans knew how to act, they’d have a game to play next week. But they don’t, and that’s deservedly so. They’ve got no one to blame but themselves. 

[AggiesAreWe]

3 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Far be it from me to take sides, but…

My understanding of the situation is that a kid from Burkeville (possibly an ejected player?) was in the stands behind the HD bench and started the incident, escalating it by taking a swing at an HD Player. The footage then shows multiple HD players heading into the stands punching that kid and possibly others. Then you see the Burkeville players come into frame from the right and join the melee. The balance of the footage shows a scrum on the floor with at least two parents punching a BVille kid…. Not trying to break up the fight, but joining in. 
 

The punishment handed to HD is far too light in my opinion. But it’s kind of hard to punish different kids next year for what these kids/parents did this year. 
 

The outcome(s) would have been totally different if the HD kid who got punched had stepped away. Even if HE retaliated and got punished, it wouldn’t have been a big deal. But when pretty much the entire HD team (and community) got into it, the situation changed. 
 

If HD players and fans knew how to act, they’d have a game to play next week. But they don’t, and that’s deservedly so. They’ve got no one to blame but themselves. 

I am not arguing the point that H-D may have deserved the punishment given (no playoffs, which I personally do not agree with). You said that both teams were punished equally by UIL with playoff bans and that simply isn't true. ONLY H-D got a playoff ban. That's my point in the matter.

But you seem to ignore that fact.

[CardinalBacker]

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I am not arguing the point that H-D may have deserved the punishment given (no playoffs, which I personally do not agree with). You said that both teams were punished equally by UIL with playoff bans and that simply isn't true. ONLY H-D got a playoff ban. That's my point in the matter.

But you seem to ignore that fact.

They both got the same punishment… a playoff ban. It just didn’t affect Burkeville as badly as it did HD. 

 

HD, who appeared to have much, much more of the blame for what occurred that evening.  
 

I’m walking up the street with two of my boys and somebody walks up and sticks a gun in our faces and demands all of our money. My two friends are both carrying wallets full of cash, but I left mine at home. 
 

You’re trying to argue that the three of us didn’t get robbed. We all DID get robbed, it just sucked worse for my buddies than for me. The concept is simple. All parties fairly got a playoff ban. It just didn’t cost BVille as much. 
 

 

[forREALtho]

7 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Ticket for speeding is $250. To a rich guy it’s a joke… he’ll drop that playing a round of golf today. To a mom whose lights are being shut off tomorrow, that $250 ticket is soul-crushing. 
 

They both got the same punishment, it just stings a little bit worse if you’re HD. 

 

And maybe next time the parents/fans/etc at HD will keep their dumb butts in the stands where they belong. 

Your wrong. With all the analogies and everything. You’re not correct. Sorry buddy.  

[AggiesAreWe]

3 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

They both got the same punishment… a playoff ban. It just didn’t affect Burkeville as badly as it did HD. 

 

HD, who appeared to have much, much more of the blame for what occurred that evening.  
 

I’m walking up the street with two of my boys and somebody walks up and sticks a gun in our faces and demands all of our money. My two friends are both carrying wallets full of cash, but I left mine at home. 
 

You’re trying to argue that the three of us didn’t get robbed. We all DID get robbed, it just sucked worse for my buddies than for me. The concept is simple. All parties fairly got a playoff ban. It just didn’t cost BVille as much. 
 

 

You still don't get it. UIL did not ban Burkeville from the playoffs. They only banned H-D.

The TV stations reporting it got it wrong.

Burkeville did not go to playoffs because they didn't qualify based on their district record. Not because UIL banned them.

Again, no playoff punishment was given to Burkeville. None was needed. So therefore there was no "same punishment" given.

How do you not understand?

It's like I am talking to my 2 year old grandson. smh

[CardinalBacker]

18 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

You still don't get it. UIL did not ban Burkeville from the playoffs. They only banned H-D.

The TV stations reporting it got it wrong.

Burkeville did not go to playoffs because they didn't qualify based on their district record. Not because UIL banned them.

Again, no playoff punishment was given to Burkeville. None was needed. So therefore there was no "same punishment" given.

How do you not understand?

It's like I am talking to my 2 year old grandson. smh

Is it possible that the UIL believed that HD (and its fans) bore the majority of the blame for the rumble/brawl/donnybrook?

Because honestly, I do. 
 

Was there a release by the UIL over the discipline? I haven’t seen it. 

[AggiesAreWe]

2 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Is it possible that the UIL believed that HD (and its fans) bore the majority of the blame for the rumble/brawl/donnybrook?

Because honestly, I do. 
 

Was there a release by the UIL over the discipline? I haven’t seen it. 

I am not arguing about H-D and how they and their fans acted. I can see how UIL could come to the conclusion of a ban for them. I don't necessarily agree with it but I certainly can understand and not argue that point.

I am only debating that you stated both got a playoff ban. That is not true. Only H-D got the ban. Burkeville did not receive a ban.

UIL normally does not release until their monthly meeting.

My info came from both coaches, admins, District Executive Committee rep and State Executive Committee rep. Heck, even a TV guy told me they got it wrong. They dropped the ball on reporting that both received a playoff ban.

If you cannot understand what I have stated (I think now a dozen times) then I can't help you.

[CardinalBacker]

43 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

I am not arguing about H-D and how they and their fans acted. I can see how UIL could come to the conclusion of a ban for them. I don't necessarily agree with it but I certainly can understand and not argue that point.

I am only debating that you stated both got a playoff ban. That is not true. Only H-D got the ban. Burkeville did not receive a ban.

UIL normally does not release until their monthly meeting.

My info came from both coaches, admins, District Executive Committee rep and State Executive Committee rep. Heck, even a TV guy told me they got it wrong. They dropped the ball on reporting that both received a playoff ban.

If you cannot understand what I have stated (I think now a dozen times) then I can't help you.

Forgive me, but I keep hearing how HD fans think it’s unfair because they’re missing the playoffs while BVille wasn’t going anyways. Otherwise I’ve seen no proof, other than news reports that state the opposite.

 

Not redacted, either. 

[AggiesAreWe]

2 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Forgive me, but I keep hearing how HD fans think it’s unfair because they’re missing the playoffs while BVille wasn’t going anyways. Otherwise I’ve seen no proof, other than news reports that state the opposite.

 

Not redacted, either. 

And again, the TV stations got it wrong. Only H-D got the ban. You can't ban a team from playoffs when they were not qualified to begin with. That is Burkeville's status. Even if they had won that game, it would not have mattered. Burkeville had already been eliminated.

You can believe what you want. I have been told the facts of the matter from all three sides.

My personal feeling about the decision does not matter. I am just stating the facts that were given to me.

Pretty sure you won't see a redaction. Not that big a deal to them. But, one of the TV reporters did acknowledge to me they jumped the gun on reporting that both teams got the ban. That was misinformation and a mistake due to trying to be first to report. 

It's certainly not the first time the TV stations got something wrong along the lines of our local sports scene. Probably will not be the last.

[CardinalBacker]

3 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

And again, the TV stations got it wrong. Only H-D got the ban. You can't ban a team from playoffs when they were not qualified to begin with. That is Burkeville's status. Even if they had won that game, it would not have mattered. Burkeville had already been eliminated.

You can believe what you want. I have been told the facts of the matter from all three sides.

My personal feeling about the decision does not matter. I am just stating the facts that were given to me.

Pretty sure you won't see a redaction. Not that big a deal to them. But, one of the TV reporters did acknowledge to me they jumped the gun on reporting that both teams got the ban. That was misinformation and a mistake due to trying to be first to report. 

It's certainly not the first time the TV stations got something wrong along the lines of our local sports scene. Probably will not be the last.

Sure you can. Schools get banned from postseason play before the season even starts sometimes. 
 

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October 2024, the girls team at a faith Harmony was banned from postseason play before the season even started. 
 

Burkeville got a postseason ban, just like HD. The fact that they weren’t going to make the playoffs was purely incidental.

And you just admitted they it’s your OPINION that Burkeville didn’t get a ban. You’ve got no evidence to show that Burkeville was spared punishment. Please revisit when the UIL makes its decision public, please. 

[AggiesAreWe]

37 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

Sure you can. Schools get banned from postseason play before the season even starts sometimes. 
 

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October 2024, the girls team at a faith Harmony was banned from postseason play before the season even started. 
 

Burkeville got a postseason ban, just like HD. The fact that they weren’t going to make the playoffs was purely incidental.

And you just admitted they it’s your OPINION that Burkeville didn’t get a ban. You’ve got no evidence to show that Burkeville was spared punishment. Please revisit when the UIL makes its decision public, please. 

When I said my personal feeling does not matter, it was about not agreeing with H-D getting the ban. UIL saw fit to ban them (and I believe there is merit, like I said I can't argue much about that) but according to all parties involved that spoke with me, UIL did not ban Burkeville. Those are the facts.

Your comparison is not a good one. UIL banned Faith Family for recruiting violations before the season started. There was no season to qualify them for playoffs. Ban was before the first game was played.

Burkeville situation is much different. They had already eliminated themselves from playoffs based on their district record prior to the H-D game. Now, had the UIL banned Burkeville for next years playoffs based off this incident, then I could understand your point.

My "evidence" is my communications with coaches, admins and committee representatives. I trust what they told me on the rulings. When all three sides basically tell me the same thing, got to think it's the truth.

UIL doesn't ban for the sake of being fair. All their punishments have repercussions. That's how their policy boards and executive committees work. They are not going to ban a team from playoffs if the team was already ineligible. They issue other types of punishments. Which was the case here.

You not believing me or saying I have to provide proof really does not concern me. I have no reason to lie about any of this nor would I. I take great pride in my credibility here and with the local coaches. They have trust in me and I have trust in them.

I'm sorry that you don't.