Three weeks in, Trump negotiates, Zelensky and Putin to end war.

[Separation Scientist]

BIDEN in 4 years: Let Russia invade Ukraine, many cities destroyed, 10's of millions already killed, 

TRUMP in 3 weeks: Zelensky and Putin both indicating they want to settle and end it. Detials in works.

[LumRaiderFan]

But, but, but…the cost of living in Kentucky could be going up.

[UT alum]

1 hour ago, Separation Scientist said:

BIDEN in 4 years: Let Russia invade Ukraine, many cities destroyed, 10's of millions already killed, 

TRUMP in 3 weeks: Zelensky and Putin both indicating they want to settle and end it. Detials in works.

Saying and doing are two different things. Surely you realize that by this stage of life.

[Big girl]

18 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

BIDEN in 4 years: Let Russia invade Ukraine, many cities destroyed, 10's of millions already killed, 

TRUMP in 3 weeks: Zelensky and Putin both indicating they want to settle and end it. Detials in works.

I thought he was going to end it on Day 1

[PAMFAM10]

Only information obtained from this is. Putin when you do a full scale invasion and take Ukraine the US will not stop you. This is not a deal.

 This is chamberlain waving the false paper of peace.

[Reagan]

42 minutes ago, PAMFAM10 said:

Only information obtained from this is. Putin when you do a full scale invasion and take Ukraine the US will not stop you. This is not a deal.

 This is chamberlain waving the false paper of peace.

This war will end sooner than later.  As Trump said, and I believe him, Putin would never had invade Ukraine.  Just like Hamas would never had invaded Israel.  

[Big girl]

I thought he would end it in 1 day

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[PAMFAM10]

6 hours ago, Reagan said:

This war will end sooner than later.  As Trump said, and I believe him, Putin would never had invade Ukraine.  Just like Hamas would never had invaded Israel.  

Yes with many more deaths and allowing Russia to do what hasn’t been done since the third reich. That’s not winning. And I don’t hate trump. just genuinely think that’s a bad idea but for all we know Trump hopefully took that off table. 

[thetragichippy]

13 hours ago, PAMFAM10 said:

Yes with many more deaths and allowing Russia to do what hasn’t been done since the third reich. That’s not winning. And I don’t hate trump. just genuinely think that’s a bad idea but for all we know Trump hopefully took that off table. 

What is the answer?

You think the USA should force Russia out by force? That may cause Russia's allies to jump in, causing our allies to jump in, and just like that we have WWIII.

Russia invaded Ukraine under Obama and under Biden. It would be hard to put together an explanation of coincidence....But I'm all ears

Trump is in a tough position, but he wants the war to end so the senseless killing will stop. What is done is done, and that is what he has to work with. 

[LumRaiderFan]

There is no answer here that the US and Russia will be happy with.  Putin has stated his intentions in the past and it’s not just to acquire a little more land. Look into multi polar order.  In his view, Ukraine wouldn’t have a seat at the table to negotiate their own future, it would be decided by the big players, often through military means.  Trump is a great deal maker but I’m not convinced he can successfully negotiate with crazy.

What’s the option if Putin keeps pushing?    

[PAMFAM10]

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

There is no answer here that the US and Russia will be happy with.  Putin has stated his intentions in the past and it’s not just to acquire a little more land. Look into multi polar order.  In his view, Ukraine wouldn’t have a seat at the table to negotiate their own future, it would be decided by the big players, often through military means.  Trump is a great deal maker but I’m not convinced he can successfully negotiate with crazy.

What’s the option if Putin keeps pushing?    

The only option is not a popular option only answer is a strong NATO . If a strong NATO (the European side especially stood toe it wouldn’t happen). The moment NATO allows Ukraine to fall. China will start its expansion in the China sea. We’ll have an embolden china and Russia. Communism will dominate the eastern hemisphere.

[baddog]

41 minutes ago, PAMFAM10 said:

The only option is not a popular option only answer is a strong NATO . If a strong NATO (the European side especially stood toe it wouldn’t happen). The moment NATO allows Ukraine to fall. China will start its expansion in the China sea. We’ll have an embolden china and Russia. Communism will dominate the eastern hemisphere.

So now we’re worried about the spread of Communism? Look no further than our federal, state, and local governments across the country. Putin wants Ukraine because of the farmland and precious rare earth metals. Trump has mentioned an interest in these metals already. These metals have military applications as well as smart phones, jet engines, catalytic converters (why they are stolen), and many other uses. Taiwan produces most of the world’s semiconductors.  The U.S will defend Taiwan at all costs.

An aside: The U.S has supposedly discovered rare earth metals in Wyoming to the tune of 3.6 billion metric tons which would make America the #1 producer over China.

These are my opinions which I’m sure will be disagreed with.

[PAMFAM10]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

So now we’re worried about the spread of Communism? Look no further than our federal, state, and local governments across the country. Putin wants Ukraine because of the farmland and precious rare earth metals. Trump has mentioned an interest in these metals already. These metals have military applications as well as smart phones, jet engines, catalytic converters (why they are stolen), and many other uses. Taiwan produces most of the world’s semiconductors.  The U.S will defend Taiwan at all costs.

An aside: The U.S has supposedly discovered rare earth metals in Wyoming to the tune of 3.6 billion metric tons which would make America the #1 producer over China.

These are my opinions which I’m sure will be disagreed with.

US might want to protect Taiwan at all cost but good luck explaining that to china after Ukraine. It’s basically the same claim. And both Russia and China  have wild strong beliefs on what should be theirs and after they basically have that hemisphere in their control. Communism will dominate.

Yes America can become great again at that expense similar to how we did in the beginning of WW2. But then WW2 happened. We seemed weak and an island nation tried it. 
 

Trump inherited this problem but it’s his problem as POTUS to get right.

I don’t see how Downing NATO in favor of communism makes America, the world more safe. 
 

[Big girl]

On 2/14/2025 at 2:26 PM, PAMFAM10 said:

US might want to protect Taiwan at all cost but good luck explaining that to china after Ukraine. It’s basically the same claim. And both Russia and China  have wild strong beliefs on what should be theirs and after they basically have that hemisphere in their control. Communism will dominate.

Yes America can become great again at that expense similar to how we did in the beginning of WW2. But then WW2 happened. We seemed weak and an island nation tried it. 
 

Trump inherited this problem but it’s his problem as POTUS to get right.

I don’t see how Downing NATO in favor of communism makes America, the world more safe. 
 

Trump doesnt think much about anything. He just reacts.

[SmashMouth]

2 hours ago, Big girl said:

Trump doesnt think much about anything. He just reacts.

Ma'am. That sounds extremely like you from reading your posts. Js.

[PAMFAM10]

On 2/14/2025 at 2:26 PM, PAMFAM10 said:

US might want to protect Taiwan at all cost but good luck explaining that to china after Ukraine. It’s basically the same claim. And both Russia and China  have wild strong beliefs on what should be theirs and after they basically have that hemisphere in their control. Communism will dominate.

Yes America can become great again at that expense similar to how we did in the beginning of WW2. But then WW2 happened. We seemed weak and an island nation tried it. 
 

Trump inherited this problem but it’s his problem as POTUS to get right.

I don’t see how Downing NATO in favor of communism makes America, the world more safe. 
 

Not one response?

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, PAMFAM10 said:

Not one response?

I didn't see a question, only a statement., but I'll try

1 hour ago, PAMFAM10 said:

I don’t see how Downing NATO in favor of communism makes America, the world more safe. 

I don't think Trump downed NATO. He does not want to be the #1 funding Country, he wants others to, wait for that Democratic talking point "pay their fair share"....  NATO would be nothing without us - he is using that to his advantage.

We are already great - we could be greater, and that is what trump is working on IMO.

I'm not sure how old you are, but I will never forget a few days after 911 Republicans and Democrats came together united as one. The lines were erased and the focus was on protecting America. I was almost in disbelief. I hope to never see that again, because it took an attack on our own soil to make it happen, but we do come together when we have to. 

[PAMFAM10]

2 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

I didn't see a question, only a statement., but I'll try

I don't think Trump downed NATO. He does not want to be the #1 funding Country, he wants others to, wait for that Democratic talking point "pay their fair share"....  NATO would be nothing without us - he is using that to his advantage.

We are already great - we could be greater, and that is what trump is working on IMO.

I'm not sure how old you are, but I will never forget a few days after 911 Republicans and Democrats came together united as one. The lines were erased and the focus was on protecting America. I was almost in disbelief. I hope to never see that again, because it took an attack on our own soil to make it happen, but we do come together when we have to. 

My main point is yes The US spend allot on NATO but in terms of both great wars the USA fall extremely short. Giving Ukraine to Russia will help us in no way. We can down play our European allies as much as we want but history shows when blank hits the fan they have been the first to stand up for freedom. Years ahead of the US both times.  
 
I just want one person to explain to me that the fall of Ukraine to communist Russia . Help in any form, In terms of world peace. Explain how Putin taking Ukraine benefits America, or the world in any fashion.