Beaumont West Brook 40 Beaumont United 34/FINAL

[Kowboy98]

14 hours ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

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Nice article 

Very Proud of this team and the program as a whole. Still disappointed in the 2-point OT loss to Willowridge in the 94 playoffs. That was the pseudo state championship game. Willowridge went on to win state (with ease). But that 94 team with Omar Sneed (jr year) and current Texas State AD Donny Coryell is easily the most talented in school history. Chris Coleman just couldn’t get over the hump for some reason. Including the 1997 Regional Final loss to North Shore. I miss 90’s Basketball lol 

[Clueless]

Soulja not going to like this, but if they hadn’t split the division this year, United wouldn’t have sniffed the Regional Final. I watched United get dismantled by BH, and they wouldn’t have got past FBM either. I thought United exceeded what they had to work with knowing they were super young this year.

[BMTSoulja1]

1 hour ago, Clueless said:

Soulja not going to like this, but if they hadn’t split the division this year, United wouldn’t have sniffed the Regional Final. I watched United get dismantled by BH, and they wouldn’t have got past FBM either. I thought United exceeded what they had to work with knowing they were super young this year.

I disagree.  BU split with a very good Memorial team and played reasonably well against WB. You say they got dismantled  by BH.  BU did beat BH…. 🤷🏾‍♂️ But we all have our opinions. 

[Clueless]

3 hours ago, BMTSoulja1 said:

I disagree.  BU split with a very good Memorial team and played reasonably well against WB. You say they got dismantled  by BH.  BU did beat BH…. 🤷🏾‍♂️ But we all have our opinions. 

Just my opinion. BH lost by 6 at United, but later in season lost to BH by 15 and it was worse then that. United will be strong in a couple years, but I think they would’ve gotten beat in playoffs by PAM, BH, or FBM before getting to regional final if there wasn’t a split division is what I’m saying.

[bullets13]

On 3/1/2025 at 3:34 AM, Coach_Izzy said:

Soulja please stop it, I had to chance to work closely with Green during his time at NS & he’s NEVER been a big X&O’s guy. Even if you go watch him the past 4-5 years with Yates & company…he didn’t run anything spectacular, he just had the players. Which nothing is wrong with that, but when you don’t have those dudes you gotta be able to make adjustments & like I said earlier Green is a sure fire HOF, but I call a spade a spade.

Side note: being in the building and watching this game, I can’t help but wonder how much more successful BISD athletics would be if it only had one school. 

Beyond impractical. How many cities the size of Beaumont in Texas only have one high school? In population, but especially in area. It wouldn’t make sense to be bussing kids 30+ minutes (without even beginning to factor in stops) one way just to have better sports teams. Not mention having to build a new school, replace the staff that wouldn’t travel the extra distance, etc. 

[Kowboy98]

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

Beyond impractical. How many cities the size of Beaumont in Texas only have one high school? In population, but especially in area. It wouldn’t make sense to be bussing kids 30+ minutes (without even beginning to factor in stops) one way just to have better sports teams. Not mention having to build a new school, replace the staff that wouldn’t travel the extra distance, etc. 

Allen iSD has one the high school. The largest in the state. Yes tonight they are in the state semi-finals as well. Population of Allen is very similar to that of Beaumont 

[myrecordwashorrible]

28 minutes ago, Kowboy98 said:

Allen iSD has one the high school. The largest in the state. Yes tonight they are in the state semi-finals as well. Population of Allen is very similar to that of Beaumont 

Not sure if what I'm finding is accurate. Populations may be similar, but each districts land area is very differrnt. Allen and Allen ISD has an area of about 29 square miles.  Beaumont is around 85, but the district area is over 150. Again, not sure how accurate the ALL KNOWING internet is.  If it is accurate the transportation issue does make a difference 

Never worked in school transportation and glad of it!

[Kowboy98]

10 minutes ago, myrecordwashorrible said:

Not sure if what I'm finding is accurate. Populations may be similar, but each districts land area is very differrnt. Allen and Allen ISD has an area of about 29 square miles.  Beaumont is around 85, but the district area is over 150. Again, not sure how accurate the ALL KNOWING internet is.  If it is accurate the transportation issue does make a difference 

Never worked in school transportation and glad of it!

Yes 21,000 students in Allen ISD and 16,000 in Beaumont ISD. The square mileage would only be a factor for the high school level. It can work 

[bullets13]

39 minutes ago, myrecordwashorrible said:

Not sure if what I'm finding is accurate. Populations may be similar, but each districts land area is very differrnt. Allen and Allen ISD has an area of about 29 square miles.  Beaumont is around 85, but the district area is over 150. Again, not sure how accurate the ALL KNOWING internet is.  If it is accurate the transportation issue does make a difference 

Never worked in school transportation and glad of it!

just getting on here to post this. population may be similar, but transportation is nothing alike.

[bullets13]

36 minutes ago, Kowboy98 said:

Yes 21,000 students in Allen ISD and 16,000 in Beaumont ISD. The square mileage would only be a factor for the high school level. It can work 

you'd have kids having to wake up at 5 to catch the bus or not getting home until 6:00 in the evenings. it would not work. grades would suffer, test scores would suffer, and absenteeism and truancy would rise, all in the name of a better football team? You'd also be greatly decreasing the amount of opportunities for kids to participate in extracurriculars. Combine all of the sports, drill teams, cheer squads, UIL teams, and anything else you can think of, and you have half the spots and twice the kids. To be honest, just about the only thing that would legitimately benefit would be football, and maybe band, although I think there would be some marching band culture lost if you combined the two schools. Are we really doing this so that the new Timberbruins football team can go 7-4? The basketball teams have enough success separated.

[Kowboy98]

3 hours ago, bullets13 said:

you'd have kids having to wake up at 5 to catch the bus or not getting home until 6:00 in the evenings. it would not work. grades would suffer, test scores would suffer, and absenteeism and truancy would rise, all in the name of a better football team? You'd also be greatly decreasing the amount of opportunities for kids to participate in extracurriculars. Combine all of the sports, drill teams, cheer squads, UIL teams, and anything else you can think of, and you have half the spots and twice the kids. To be honest, just about the only thing that would legitimately benefit would be football, and maybe band, although I think there would be some marching band culture lost if you combined the two schools. Are we really doing this so that the new Timberbruins football team can go 7-4? The basketball teams have enough success separated.

I am not where you are from but it doesn’t take an hour to get anywhere in Beaumont. Look at the furthest distance from a zone to either high school and tell me the mileage and amount of a time it would take a bus to arrive. At max 20/30 minutes which is a typical bus ride 

[bullets13]

31 minutes ago, Kowboy98 said:

I am not where you are from but it doesn’t take an hour to get anywhere in Beaumont. Look at the furthest distance from a zone to either high school and tell me the mileage and amount of a time it would take a bus to arrive. At max 20/30 minutes which is a typical bus ride 

I lived in beaumont for 14 years, teaching for 10 of them, and taught there an additional 5 years after I moved to Fannett. I lived in the west end, about 5 minutes from West Brook, and worked at Bingman over by Ozen/United.  it routinely took me 20-25 minutes to get to work and 30-35 minutes to get home.  While I had to cross town, there are several bus routes that would be considerably longer than my daily commute. I also didn't have to stop and pick up 50+ kids. Your "typical bus ride" would just be the commute across town so that the route can START. The first kids picked up and the last kids dropped off dang sure would be looking at getting up ridiculously early or dropped off super later. Rest assured you'd be looking at some bus routes pushing 2 hours long. You also ignored ALL of the other disadvantages I listed. Apart from marginal improvements in a couple of sports, please list advantages of changing to just one high school.

[Coach_Izzy]

10 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Beyond impractical. How many cities the size of Beaumont in Texas only have one high school? In population, but especially in area. It wouldn’t make sense to be bussing kids 30+ minutes (without even beginning to factor in stops) one way just to have better sports teams. Not mention having to build a new school, replace the staff that wouldn’t travel the extra distance, etc. 

This post alone lets me know you’re not from Beaumont. Cause there’s literally nowhere in Beaumont that it takes 30 mins to get to lol you got kids being bussed from the North End of Beaumont to the Pear Orchard every day with no problem. 
 

But to answer your question Allen, Tx has the same population as Beaumont & tell me how many schools they have there? Seems to be working pretty well for them. Same with New Braunfels & Temple.  

BISD wouldn’t have to build a new school to make this happen either btw, they just merged two schools together and didn’t have to build a new campus. They have plenty of options to use as a 9th grade campus, 10th grade campus etc. 

Nothing is impractical about having a school of 4300 students, there’s literally about 20 HS in the state that has close to 4k students or greater. Gotta lose the small town mindset! There’s absolutely no reason at all for Beaumont to have 2 HS & damn sure should’ve never had 3. 

[Coach_Izzy]

4 hours ago, Kowboy98 said:

I am not where you are from but it doesn’t take an hour to get anywhere in Beaumont. Look at the furthest distance from a zone to either high school and tell me the mileage and amount of a time it would take a bus to arrive. At max 20/30 minutes which is a typical bus ride 

🤣🤣🤣🤣 you can tell he not from Beaumont, dude crazy. He must think Beaumont is the size of Houston or something. 

[Coach_Izzy]

4 hours ago, bullets13 said:

I lived in beaumont for 14 years, teaching for 10 of them, and taught there an additional 5 years after I moved to Fannett. I lived in the west end, about 5 minutes from West Brook, and worked at Bingman over by Ozen/United.  it routinely took me 20-25 minutes to get to work and 30-35 minutes to get home.  While I had to cross town, there are several bus routes that would be considerably longer than my daily commute. I also didn't have to stop and pick up 50+ kids. Your "typical bus ride" would just be the commute across town so that the route can START. The first kids picked up and the last kids dropped off dang sure would be looking at getting up ridiculously early or dropped off super later. Rest assured you'd be looking at some bus routes pushing 2 hours long. You also ignored ALL of the other disadvantages I listed. Apart from marginal improvements in a couple of sports, please list advantages of changing to just one high school.

Bullets please stop idc what side of town you’re on it’s not taking you 30 mins to drive anywhere in Beaumont, Tx  

I literally just put the commute in from Bingman to Westbrook & it was only 21 mins and that’s with traffic…please stop this non sense bullets.

The improvements are quite simple…Beaumont would literally dominate every sport that matters. 

[AggiesAreWe]

There are school bus routes for BISD that take over an hour and a half to run.

There are some kids that daily take bus rides of an hour to almost two hours going to and coming from school. This is with 2 schools.

Pretty sure you would add even more time to some of those routes if it was just one high school.

[bullets13]

2 hours ago, Coach_Izzy said:

Bullets please stop idc what side of town you’re on it’s not taking you 30 mins to drive anywhere in Beaumont, Tx  

I literally just put the commute in from Bingman to Westbrook & it was only 21 mins and that’s with traffic…please stop this non sense bullets.

The improvements are quite simple…Beaumont would literally dominate every sport that matters. 

I drove it 187 days a year for 11 years. Traffic at 4:30 pm (and 7 am) is a lot different than it is at 6:00 pm. I’d get off work and either have to drive through neighborhoods and red lights or spent 12-15 min on Eastex to go 5 miles to the college st exit. You’re also neglecting the fact that Beaumont’s district boundaries extend beyond the city limits in all directions. 
 

And there isn’t any universe where you combine two football teams that went 4-6 and 3-7 (not a quality win for either team) in 5A and they’re “literally dominate” in 6A. Especially in the district they’d join. 

[bullets13]

2 hours ago, Coach_Izzy said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣 you can tell he not from Beaumont, dude crazy. He must think Beaumont is the size of Houston or something. 

Reading is FUNdamental. Lived there for 14 years. Commuted crosstown from the west end to the pear orchard for 11 of those years. As I clearly stated in my other post. You think I’m lying because I don’t want one school in Beaumont? You’re right about one thing: i don’t live there now. it wouldn’t affect me in any way. That doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. And once again, if you think a 6-5 or 7-4 football record is worth all of the other issues going to one school would bring, there’s really not much point in taking this conversation any further. You aren’t combining one mediocre and one bad 5A schools together and getting a dominant 6A squad. 

[Coach_Izzy]

2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

There are school bus routes for BISD that take over an hour and a half to run.

There are some kids that daily take bus rides of an hour to almost two hours going to and coming from school. This is with 2 schools.

Pretty sure you would add even more time to some of those routes if it was just one high school.

Another post from someone who isn’t from Beaumont. You wouldn’t be going to one HS because you would create multiple campuses since you have several campuses in the district that aren’t being used. Simple, there’s kids being bused from every end of Beaumont currently & it isn’t an issue. Having one high school wouldn’t create one either. 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

1 minute ago, Coach_Izzy said:

Another post from someone who isn’t from Beaumont. You wouldn’t be going to one HS because you would create multiple campuses since you have several campuses in the district that aren’t being used. Simple, there’s kids being bused from every end of Beaumont currently & it isn’t an issue. Having one high school wouldn’t create one either. 

In bold: sorta like what Deer Park has correct?

[Coach_Izzy]

Just now, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

In bold: sorta like what Deer Park has correct?

And North Shore, Allen, Elsik etc etc 

[Coach_Izzy]

31 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Reading is FUNdamental. Lived there for 14 years. Commuted crosstown from the west end to the pear orchard for 11 of those years. As I clearly stated in my other post. You think I’m lying because I don’t want one school in Beaumont? You’re right about one thing: i don’t live there now. it wouldn’t affect me in any way. That doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. And once again, if you think a 6-5 or 7-4 football record is worth all of the other issues going to one school would bring, there’s really not much point in taking this conversation any further. You aren’t combining one mediocre and one bad 5A schools together and getting a dominant 6A squad. 

I don’t think you’re lying I’m telling you that you don’t have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll say it again: there’s no where in Beaumont, Tx that takes you 30 mins to get to. Anybody that’s actually from Beaumont will tell you this. 
 

Furthermore football is a numbers game: WB & BU are bad simply because one they currently don’t have the numbers or talent to compete on its own. You combine them into one school, get the right coaching staff that will get all of the talent from out of the halls, proper admin infrastructure, middle school feeder programs etc you’ll create a dominate football program. Of course it wouldn’t be instant & would take time but it’s extremely doable. 
 

Beaumont isn’t short of talent, kids simply aren’t participating because the programs have been historically bad. A new school would bring excitement and have more kids wanting to participate & of course it helps having a coach like Dre who can relate to kids and get them to come play for him. 

[bullets13]

3 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

I don’t think you’re lying I’m telling you that you don’t have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll say it again: there’s no where in Beaumont, Tx that takes you 30 mins to get to. Anybody that’s actually from Beaumont will tell you this. 
 

Furthermore football is a numbers game: WB & BU are bad simply because one they currently don’t have the numbers or talent to compete on its own. You combine them into one school, get the right coaching staff that will get all of the talent from out of the halls, proper admin infrastructure, middle school feeder programs etc you’ll create a dominate football program. Of course it wouldn’t be instant & would take time but it’s extremely doable. 

Well, you’d know better than me. I only made the commute for 11 years. Actually 12 if you count the year I went to Lamar. 
 

as for your second point, I’m not arguing they’d get better, but you’d have to make a whoooole lot of changes before they’d be a good 6A team. It’s not like they combine and get to keep playing the Baytown schools 

[Coach_Izzy]

Just now, bullets13 said:

Well, you’d know better than me. I only made the commute for 11 years. Actually 12 if you count the year I went to Lamar. 
 

as for your second point, I’m not arguing they’d get better, but you’d have to make a whoooole lot of changes before they’d be a good 6A team. It’s not like they combine and get to keep playing the Baytown schools 

I def know better than you lol I was only born and raised there my whole life. 
 

And of course they need to make a bunch of changes, but the most important change is having one school. You want have any success in football if that doesn’t happen.

[bullets13]

13 minutes ago, Coach_Izzy said:

I def know better than you lol I was only born and raised there my whole life. 
 

And of course they need to make a bunch of changes, but the most important change is having one school. You want have any success in football if that doesn’t happen.

This is my last post on this because the argument is so dumb, but how many years did you work in Beaumont? Drive across town from home to work daily? Im not worried about when your mom drove you around when you were 11, or when you drove around as a teen from home to school or wherever you went to hang out. As an adult I drove the same route across Beaumont twice a day more days than not for TWELVE years. You may have been born there, but I know from your age and your work history I drove there a whole heck of a lot more than you ever did. More often than not it was a 30 minute commute. Sometimes a little less, sometimes a little more, depending on traffic. While I went from one end of town to the other, I wasn’t quite going to the outer edges of either side of the district map. Bussing to one high school would be a nightmare unless they built a brand new campus in the middle of town somewhere.