JoeBama's Pardons Signed By Autopen Are “Hereby Declared Void, Vacant, And Of No Further Force Or Effect!"

[Reagan]

 

Excellent!!

@Big girl  @UT alum  @HuntersLaptop2028  @Boyz N Da Hood  @CardinalBacker             What say you?!

[baddog]

5 hours ago, Reagan said:

 

Excellent!!

@Big girl  @UT alum  @HuntersLaptop2028  @Boyz N Da Hood  @CardinalBacker             What say you?!

Biden’s administration is just like his brain…..null and void. Lmao. Whoever used his autopen should be charged with forging the president’s signature, which should be a special felony…..maybe with treason attached.

[Eagle11]

This should get really interesting

[SmashMouth]

38 minutes ago, Eagle11 said:

This should get really interesting

No, it shouldn't. Using an auto pen has actually been used throughout history. In 2005, George W. Bush asked for and received a favorable opinion from the Department of Justice regarding the constitutionality of using the autopen (he still did not use it), although its constitutionality has not been tested in court yet.

It's possibly a dangerous tool, but it's not illegal...not yet. See an interesting excerpt from an article from Shapell.org I found:

"Presidential Use of the Autopen Signature

Since Jefferson, various US presidents have made use of the autopen; some were guarded about it while others were more open about its use. Whereas once the official White House position was to deny the existence or usage of the autopen, today its existence is more of an open secret.  

Harry Truman was rumored to make use of the device; Gerald Ford was open about his utilization of the autopen, but it was Lyndon B. Johnson who blew the doors off the entire affair by allowing the device to be photographed in the White House, appearing on the cover of The National Enquirer with the article “The Robot That Sits in for the President.”

John F. Kennedy was so dependent on the autopen, that he became the subject of a book entitled The Robot That Helped to Make a President. In 1965, at the time of its writing, the author claimed that Kennedy’s reliance on the autopen rendered his authentic signature the rarest of all presidential autographs. Though this claim has not held up over time, and Kennedy actually used the autopen less as president, it would seem that Kennedy’s extensive reliance on the device ushered in a new era of technology in the White House, resulting in his successor sharing this open secret with the public.

Autopen vs Real Signature
The ramifications of the growing acceptance of an autopen signature have ripple effects that impact not only the collecting world, but also has been the subject of controversy regarding the very constitutionality of the use of the autopen in signing a bill into law.

In 2005, George W. Bush was the first president to enquire with the Department of Justice if it was constitutional for the president to sign a bill using the autopen. Though he received the dispensation, he didn’t actually use the autopen, nor did he have the bill flown to him by courier, preferring instead, in one notable case, to rush from Texas to Washington to sign the controversial Terri Schiavo bill. The Palm Sunday Compromise, as it was colloquially known, allowed the federal court to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo, on life support, who was caught in a tug of war between her husband, who wished to remove the feeding tube, and her parents who contested the decision. Likely, because of the life-and-death nature of the bill, Bush opted to forgo the dispensation."

[HuntersLaptop2028]

This all but confirms Reagan and Baddog haven’t had a job in decades lol

Wait til they hear about e-signing a PDF 

[baddog]

23 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

No, it shouldn't. Using an auto pen has actually been used throughout history. In 2005, George W. Bush asked for and received a favorable opinion from the Department of Justice regarding the constitutionality of using the autopen (he still did not use it), although its constitutionality has not been tested in court yet.

It's possibly a dangerous tool, but it's not illegal...not yet. See an interesting excerpt from an article from Shapell.org I found:

"Presidential Use of the Autopen Signature

Since Jefferson, various US presidents have made use of the autopen; some were guarded about it while others were more open about its use. Whereas once the official White House position was to deny the existence or usage of the autopen, today its existence is more of an open secret.  

Harry Truman was rumored to make use of the device; Gerald Ford was open about his utilization of the autopen, but it was Lyndon B. Johnson who blew the doors off the entire affair by allowing the device to be photographed in the White House, appearing on the cover of The National Enquirer with the article “The Robot That Sits in for the President.”

John F. Kennedy was so dependent on the autopen, that he became the subject of a book entitled The Robot That Helped to Make a President. In 1965, at the time of its writing, the author claimed that Kennedy’s reliance on the autopen rendered his authentic signature the rarest of all presidential autographs. Though this claim has not held up over time, and Kennedy actually used the autopen less as president, it would seem that Kennedy’s extensive reliance on the device ushered in a new era of technology in the White House, resulting in his successor sharing this open secret with the public.

Autopen vs Real Signature
The ramifications of the growing acceptance of an autopen signature have ripple effects that impact not only the collecting world, but also has been the subject of controversy regarding the very constitutionality of the use of the autopen in signing a bill into law.

In 2005, George W. Bush was the first president to enquire with the Department of Justice if it was constitutional for the president to sign a bill using the autopen. Though he received the dispensation, he didn’t actually use the autopen, nor did he have the bill flown to him by courier, preferring instead, in one notable case, to rush from Texas to Washington to sign the controversial Terri Schiavo bill. The Palm Sunday Compromise, as it was colloquially known, allowed the federal court to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo, on life support, who was caught in a tug of war between her husband, who wished to remove the feeding tube, and her parents who contested the decision. Likely, because of the life-and-death nature of the bill, Bush opted to forgo the dispensation."

I think the whole thing in question here is whether it was actually Biden who used the autopen, not its legality. He signed  some bills that he later on didn’t remember signing. Of course that can be excused due to his mental acuity…..by the same people who said he was in control of his faculties. Go figure.

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, SmashMouth said:

No, it shouldn't.

It shouldn't under normal circumstances, but in typical Trump fashion he is making a statement perhaps to get an investigation going.  Can he assign someone to use the pen or does he have to do it himself? This could also just be an excuse to investigate the investigators of Jan 6th......which I would be all for since the Republicans were hand picked Trump haters.   

[SmashMouth]

53 minutes ago, baddog said:

I think the whole thing in question here is whether it was actually Biden who used the autopen, not its legality. He signed  some bills that he later on didn’t remember signing. Of course that can be excused due to his mental acuity…..by the same people who said he was in control of his faculties. Go figure.

Yep. Totally agree. My point was that since it doesn't seem illegal, and Biden will cover for whomever has been making the decisions for the last 4 years, it seems a moot point.

[SmashMouth]

1 minute ago, thetragichippy said:

It shouldn't under normal circumstances, but in typical Trump fashion he is making a statement perhaps to get an investigation going.  Can he assign someone to use the pen or does he have to do it himself? This could also just be an excuse to investigate the investigators of Jan 6th......which I would be all for since the Republicans were hand picked Trump haters.   

In my opinion, it's more of a ploy to show the ineffectiveness of Biden which led to horrible policies and the decline of the country. It's merely smear PR, which is what most of politics is these days. I don't blame Trump for pointing it out, but I really don't think it will have any material affect other than to keep poking the left about what a puppet Biden was and to keep the Trump base telling him what a good job he is doing.

[thetragichippy]

2 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

In my opinion, it's more of a ploy to show the ineffectiveness of Biden which led to horrible policies and the decline of the country. It's merely smear PR, which is what most of politics is these days. I don't blame Trump for pointing it out, but I really don't think it will have any material affect other than to keep poking the left about what a puppet Biden was and to keep the Trump base telling him what a good job he is doing.

Agree

[HuntersLaptop2028]

2 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

In my opinion, it's more of a ploy to show the ineffectiveness of Biden which led to horrible policies and the decline of the country. It's merely smear PR, which is what most of politics is these days. I don't blame Trump for pointing it out, but I really don't think it will have any material affect other than to keep poking the left about what a puppet Biden was and to keep the Trump base telling him what a good job he is doing.

One big circlejerk to keep the poors fuming mad and ready to kill each other 

[baddog]

51 minutes ago, HuntersLaptop2028 said:

One big circlejerk to keep the poors fuming mad and ready to kill each other 

Well there you have it folks. Hunterslaptop has given his unbiased opinion. Case solved. 

 

[baddog]

You know, if Biden is in Delaware and the document is signed by auto pen in D.C., something is wrong. 
 

[myrecordwashorrible]

1 hour ago, HuntersLaptop2028 said:

One big circlejerk to keep the poors fuming mad and ready to kill each other 

Interesting you keep bringing up financial status of voters.  When did the inner city voters get wealthy?  Sorry, but the 3rd and 5th wards of Houston have yet to start building those lavish homes that must be coming soon. 

[HuntersLaptop2028]

2 hours ago, myrecordwashorrible said:

Interesting you keep bringing up financial status of voters.  When did the inner city voters get wealthy?  Sorry, but the 3rd and 5th wards of Houston have yet to start building those lavish homes that must be coming soon. 

Struck a nerve huh. Keep being mad at your own neighbor, just like the politicians want you to be 

[HuntersLaptop2028]

3 hours ago, baddog said:

Well there you have it folks. Hunterslaptop has given his unbiased opinion. Case solved. 

 

It’s all there is to it. Me and Smashmouth are the big brains in this topic. One day maybe you catch up 

[baddog]

5 minutes ago, HuntersLaptop2028 said:

It’s all there is to it. Me and Smashmouth are the big brains in this topic. One day maybe you catch up 

Again with a medal winning post. Johnny, tell the man what he has won. Lmfao

[myrecordwashorrible]

1 hour ago, HuntersLaptop2028 said:

Struck a nerve huh. Keep being mad at your own neighbor, just like the politicians want you to be 

I did. Yours. 

[Big girl]

23 hours ago, baddog said:

I think the whole thing in question here is whether it was actually Biden who used the autopen, not its legality. He signed  some bills that he later on didn’t remember signing. Of course that can be excused due to his mental acuity…..by the same people who said he was in control of his faculties. Go figure.

Yeah right. Smh

[Big girl]

Trump admits to using  an autopen which is totally legal. Biden was aware of who he was pardoning.

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[Eagle11]

On 3/17/2025 at 11:11 AM, SmashMouth said:

No, it shouldn't. Using an auto pen has actually been used throughout history. In 2005, George W. Bush asked for and received a favorable opinion from the Department of Justice regarding the constitutionality of using the autopen (he still did not use it), although its constitutionality has not been tested in court yet.

It's possibly a dangerous tool, but it's not illegal...not yet. See an interesting excerpt from an article from Shapell.org I found:

"Presidential Use of the Autopen Signature

Since Jefferson, various US presidents have made use of the autopen; some were guarded about it while others were more open about its use. Whereas once the official White House position was to deny the existence or usage of the autopen, today its existence is more of an open secret.  

Harry Truman was rumored to make use of the device; Gerald Ford was open about his utilization of the autopen, but it was Lyndon B. Johnson who blew the doors off the entire affair by allowing the device to be photographed in the White House, appearing on the cover of The National Enquirer with the article “The Robot That Sits in for the President.”

John F. Kennedy was so dependent on the autopen, that he became the subject of a book entitled The Robot That Helped to Make a President. In 1965, at the time of its writing, the author claimed that Kennedy’s reliance on the autopen rendered his authentic signature the rarest of all presidential autographs. Though this claim has not held up over time, and Kennedy actually used the autopen less as president, it would seem that Kennedy’s extensive reliance on the device ushered in a new era of technology in the White House, resulting in his successor sharing this open secret with the public.

Autopen vs Real Signature
The ramifications of the growing acceptance of an autopen signature have ripple effects that impact not only the collecting world, but also has been the subject of controversy regarding the very constitutionality of the use of the autopen in signing a bill into law.

In 2005, George W. Bush was the first president to enquire with the Department of Justice if it was constitutional for the president to sign a bill using the autopen. Though he received the dispensation, he didn’t actually use the autopen, nor did he have the bill flown to him by courier, preferring instead, in one notable case, to rush from Texas to Washington to sign the controversial Terri Schiavo bill. The Palm Sunday Compromise, as it was colloquially known, allowed the federal court to intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo, on life support, who was caught in a tug of war between her husband, who wished to remove the feeding tube, and her parents who contested the decision. Likely, because of the life-and-death nature of the bill, Bush opted to forgo the dispensation."

Yes, it should

[SmashMouth]

10 hours ago, Big girl said:

Yeah right. Smh

It’s a fair question. 

[SmashMouth]

7 hours ago, Eagle11 said:

Yes, it should

Well, I was talking factually, and you are stating an opinion. 

[Reagan]

 

I didn't think about the Judges.  May have a point!

[baddog]

17 minutes ago, Reagan said:

 

I didn't think about the Judges.  May have a point!

That woman should be tried for treason.