Harvard

[baddog]

7 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

Ma'am, can you explain who the real "Isreal" (sic) people are then?

You have a tremendous amount of patience. The answer will probably be Holocaust survivors.

[SmashMouth]

1 minute ago, baddog said:

You have a tremendous amount of patience. The answer will probably be Holocaust survivors.

Lol. Patience is usually lost on me. I'm just considering the source, and it makes it a little easier.

[UT alum]

On 4/17/2025 at 1:22 PM, baddog said:

Look at his freaking name. It’s not fake. 

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So you side with Harvard? If you do, I won’t respond to your future posts. 

I side with academic freedom and freedom of speech, not the politicization of such.  I sided with the rights of the Charlottesville haters until they started running over people. What’s your beef?

[bullets13]

1 hour ago, UT alum said:

I side with academic freedom and freedom of speech, not the politicization of such.  I sided with the rights of the Charlottesville haters until they started running over people. What’s your beef?

would you take exception to white supremacist protestors being allowed to take over at UT, disrupting learning and threatening minorities? or would you support it? And would you support UT faculty allowing, and even leading those protests? I mean, it's freedom of speech, after all.

[Big girl]

46 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

would you take exception to white supremacist protestors being allowed to take over at UT, disrupting learning and threatening minorities? or would you support it? And would you support UT faculty allowing, and even leading those protests? I mean, it's freedom of speech, after all.

Not agreeing with a war and being approving of white supremacists are two different things

[Big girl]

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[UT alum]

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

would you take exception to white supremacist protestors being allowed to take over at UT, disrupting learning and threatening minorities? or would you support it? And would you support UT faculty allowing, and even leading those protests? I mean, it's freedom of speech, after all.

If it’s done within the limits of the law, I would not take exception, nor would I object to faculty participation, again within the rule or law. Free speech is free speech, after all. I oppose those opinions, but would not oppress them. Unlike the Weasel.

[SmashMouth]

44 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Not agreeing with a war and being approving of white supremacists are two different things

Then you must disagree with Hamas whose charter states:

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad". (Hamas Charter, Article 13)

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it..." (Preamble to Hamas Charter). 

You may not agree with the war, but it's exactly what Hamas wants. They yearn for it. It's their only vehicle to eradicate the entire Jewish population. 

From the ADL, "Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Saleh Al-Arouri in an August 2023 interview:  He expressed Hamas’ desire for 'total war' with Israel: 'Therefore, we are convinced that if a total conflict begins, the airspace and seaports of this entity will be shut down, and they will not be able to live without electricity, water, and communications."

[baddog]

Some people are so wrong…….

Freedom of Speech:

Limited Protections:
The First Amendment protects a wide range of expression, including speech that is unpopular, offensive, or even hateful. However, it doesn't protect all forms of speech. For instance, incitement to violence, defamation, and obscenity are not protected. 
Exceptions to the Rule:
The government can restrict speech in certain situations, such as to prevent violence, protect privacy, or maintain order. These restrictions are not always unlimited and must be narrowly tailored to achieve a legitimate government interest. 
Balancing Rights:
The concept of free speech involves a delicate balance between protecting individual expression and the rights of others to be free from harm or harassment. 
Context Matters:
The level of protection speech receives can also depend on the context in which it occurs. For example, speech on a college campus might be treated differently than speech on a public street corner. 
Social Norms:
While the First Amendment provides legal protection for free speech, social norms and cultural context can also influence how speech is perceived and whether it is considered acceptable

[thetragichippy]

56 minutes ago, UT alum said:

If it’s done within the limits of the law, I would not take exception, nor would I object to faculty participation, again within the rule or law. Free speech is free speech, after all. I oppose those opinions, but would not oppress them. Unlike the Weasel.

Harvard is free to do what they want. He is not banning any speech. He is not jailing anyone for speech. He is just not sending money if they continue the hate.

IMO, it is a private school, with a 3% admission rate and charges more than most people can afford. That does not sound like they had the  Democrats in mind for the working people.  It is a white and Asian school with only 6% black students.  Seems to me this is one of those we have to be the opposite of Trump issues.......🤷‍♂️

Get a four year degree at Harvard or for the same money have your forever home in 4 years.....

Based on the 2023-24 academic year, the estimated total cost of attendance for on-campus students at Harvard University is $86,705 per year. This includes tuition and fees, books and supplies, room and board, and other on-campus expenses. Over four years, this would amount to approximately $346,820. In comparison, the average cost for private school tuition and room and board in the U.S. is $60,420 a year (for 2023-24), according to CollegeData.com, totaling $241,680 for four years.

 

[OlDawg]

I call BS! Harvard isn’t a private school if they receive $9 Billion of taxpayer money or more per year. If you accept public money, you’re not private.

Getting tired of hearing them cry they’re private.

Feds dole out about $40 Billion per year in grants to colleges/universities. As I mentioned in another thread, take some of this & invest in the skilled trades/crafts.

Somehow, I don’t see air traffic controller trainees, nurses, welders, heavy machinery operators, solar/wind/industrial mechanics, CODERS (as was famously mentioned) or those type very needed skills protesting much except having to take a liberal arts class for technical training.

[OlDawg]

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‘For every dollar Ivy League universities receive for research, they charge the government an additional 64 cents, on average, for overhead. This funding is clearly a subsidy, because it is almost entirely fungible and unaccountable.’

[UT alum]

8 hours ago, Big girl said:

Not agreeing with a war and being approving of white supremacists are two different things

It’s not approval. It’s a right of freedom. The ACLU defended Panthers, it also defended the Klan. That’s what we stand for. Unfortunately President Weasel doesn’t see it that way.

[bullets13]

18 hours ago, Big girl said:

Not agreeing with a war and being approving of white supremacists are two different things

"a war" and massacring 1,200 innocents (with many rapes and kidnappings thrown in) are two different things.

[bullets13]

10 hours ago, UT alum said:

It’s not approval. It’s a right of freedom. The ACLU defended Panthers, it also defended the Klan. That’s what we stand for. Unfortunately President Weasel doesn’t see it that way.

Would the Panthers or the Klan be able to create camps in the middle of public universities and protest for days on end? 

[Big girl]

19 hours ago, OlDawg said:

I call BS! Harvard isn’t a private school if they receive $9 Billion of taxpayer money or more per year. If you accept public money, you’re not private.

Getting tired of hearing them cry they’re private.

Feds dole out about $40 Billion per year in grants to colleges/universities. As I mentioned in another thread, take some of this & invest in the skilled trades/crafts.

Somehow, I don’t see air traffic controller trainees, nurses, welders, heavy machinery operators, solar/wind/industrial mechanics, CODERS (as was famously mentioned) or those type very needed skills protesting much except having to take a liberal arts class for technical training.

Is that money for research?

[Big girl]

3 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Would the Panthers or the Klan be able to create camps in the middle of public universities and protest for days on end? 

Is what they are protesting against legal? If they are protesting against n word being admitted then nope. Israel has been bullying those people for years, they are fighting back.

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

Is that money for research?

The breakdown is roughly $500 Million just as a ‘freebie’ grant with no strings attached to a project, then somewhere between $6-7 Billion in research grants with an ‘overhead slush fund’ markup of .64 per dollar. So, around $3-4 Billion is not research.

Less than 1/3 of the $$$ actually goes to research. (Which is still taxpayer money.)

Personally, if the government requests university help for research, I think it should be bid out just like in the private sector.  Let the Universities compete. Right now, it’s not a true bidding process. We should also be more selective about which projects are funded. Every project funded should have an ROI explanation in ‘hard numbers.’

Don’t agree with the government being able to say who is hired/fired/teaches at any secondary education institution—unless said institution is working on a government funded project. If they are, anyone associated with the project should have to go through a very intensive security check (including social media, character references, criminal history, employment & credentials) before they are allowed anywhere near said project. This includes even teaching/assisting in that Dept. At the least, this helps protect IP theft.

I find it interesting that primary schools require employees to pass background checks (rudimentary ones at least) in most states, but secondary institutions don’t require similar.

I also believe the government should be able to fund—or not—whoever they desire & the funding should be ‘at-will.’

To me, these are just common sense business/project practices. Nothing magical.

On a side note, the President of Harvard is Jewish & has admitted Harvard has an antisemitism problem.

[OlDawg]

58 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Is that money for research?

Another link for you.

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[SmashMouth]

57 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Israel has been bullying those people for years, they are fighting back.

So you’re okay with the raping of children? The eradication of an entire people? Ma’am, open your eyes. 

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

Is that money for research?

…and the ‘real whammy’. You should be at least a little perturbed by now.

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[UT alum]

4 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Would the Panthers or the Klan be able to create camps in the middle of public universities and protest for days on end? 

Today? Probably. 

[bullets13]

6 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Today? Probably. 

I guess if Harvard should allow Hamas supporters to do it, you'd be all in favor of the Klan camping out in front of the LBJ library for weeks heckling and threatening any minorities who happened to walk by in need of using the library. I don't believe you on this one. On free speech, sure. But taking over campuses? You're being disingenuous.  There's no way in hell you'd support a radical movement that differed from your beliefs taking over a square or area of campus for days/weeks at a time, and support their right to harass, intimidate, and disrupt, all in the name of free speech. 

[5GallonBucket]

1 hour ago, SmashMouth said:

So you’re okay with the raping of children? The eradication of an entire people? Ma’am, open your eyes. 

Not happening

[myrecordwashorrible]

Still curious why and include myself in this statement.  Why do we debate those with a disdain for reality to push their own disdain for those who don't agree that they hold the morale high ground.  You folks and me, at times, would be better off facing the wind to urinate.  Carry on with debating the faux superior because my colleagues at the colleges made them what they are and they will not and cannot change.