Guest orangeman Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 I haven't had a chance to see J'Covan Brown play, but I was around in the late 80's/early 90's to watch a little bit of B.J. Tyler... unbelievable talent. So I'm turning to all of you veterans/historians of Port Arthur basketball with this question: Who was a better high school PG and why? Feel free to list strengths and weaknesses. (Funny what you can do to fill your time when your school is administering benchmark testing)
Guest DickVitale Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 B.J. was definitely a better overall player..Hands down. He was bigger and just as athletic...The things that J'Covan had to do in some games to keep his team afloat, BJ did not HAVE to do, because he had such a better supporting cast around him at Lincoln..BJ was the TOTAL package, including a leader on and off the floor which J'Covan obviously lacks right now...I think that J'Covan would have been better off if he could have played at Lincoln, because tradition alone would not allow him to do some of the things that he did while at Memorial...That's the truth....Ruth!! ;D
shorttexas1 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 You can ask the real Dickie Vital about BJ.... He constantly praised this kid all the way to the pros... BJ was one of the quickest guards ever to play the game... JB though elusive is not that quick... JB seems more of a scorer and shooter but BJ could light it up anytime... BJ is a true PG and floor leader with great vision... JB is a scoring PG that has great vision! BJ is the man and will always be the man, JB is standing somewhere close to him... BJ played with a lot of passion and in high school would have never let his attitude take-away the court.... BJ is a legend... JB is a great player.... BIG difference!
NBA_phenom Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 Brandon Joel (B.J.) Tyler (born April 30, 1971 in Galveston, Texas) is an American former professional basketball player. Tyler, a 6' 1" (185 cm) point guard, attended DePaul University for his freshman year and the University of Texas at Austin for his final three college years before being taken twentieth overall in the 1994 NBA Draft by the Philadelphia 76ers. He played 55 games for them in 1994-95, averaging 3.5 points and 3.2 assists per game. Prior to the 1995-96 NBA season, Tyler was selected by the Toronto Raptors in the 1995 expansion draft. According to journalist Chris Young's book Drive, Tyler accidentally fell asleep with a pack of ice on his knee, severely damaging it and thus losing all the speed for which he was famed, and subsequently had to retire.[1]
NBA_phenom Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 Brandon Joel (B.J.) Tyler (born April 30, 1971 in Galveston, Texas) is an American former professional basketball player. Tyler, a 6' 1" (185 cm) point guard, attended DePaul University for his freshman year and the University of Texas at Austin for his final three college years before being taken twentieth overall in the 1994 NBA Draft by the Philadelphia 76ers. He played 55 games for them in 1994-95, averaging 3.5 points and 3.2 assists per game. Prior to the 1995-96 NBA season, Tyler was selected by the Toronto Raptors in the 1995 expansion draft. According to journalist Chris Young's book Drive, Tyler accidentally fell asleep with a pack of ice on his knee, severely damaging it and thus losing all the speed for which he was famed, and subsequently had to retire.[1] I got this from wikipedia....is this really how his career ended?
shorttexas1 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 Brandon Joel (B.J.) Tyler (born April 30, 1971 in Galveston, Texas) is an American former professional basketball player. Tyler, a 6' 1" (185 cm) point guard, attended DePaul University for his freshman year and the University of Texas at Austin for his final three college years before being taken twentieth overall in the 1994 NBA Draft by the Philadelphia 76ers. He played 55 games for them in 1994-95, averaging 3.5 points and 3.2 assists per game. Prior to the 1995-96 NBA season, Tyler was selected by the Toronto Raptors in the 1995 expansion draft. According to journalist Chris Young's book Drive, Tyler accidentally fell asleep with a pack of ice on his knee, severely damaging it and thus losing all the speed for which he was famed, and subsequently had to retire.[1] I got this from wikipedia....is this really how his career ended? Not quite sure... but injuries did end his career!
Guest DickVitale Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 That is EXACTLY what happenend...He did get a settlement behind it that took care of him for some years, but he was never the same.
Lazeek Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 Similar games and style but no attitude from Tyler!!!!! I will take BJ every time!!!!!
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Posted February 5, 2008 I hear rumors ever so often that BJ plays at the Rec in P.A. someimes.
shorttexas1 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 I hear rumors ever so often that BJ plays at the Rec in P.A. someimes. And he is still better than everyone in PA... When he is on the court at the Rec Watch Out!
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 I wonder if BJ does any personal training on the side. Anyone knows?
Guest Shaq Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 Yes he does still train. He helps train me during the off season and after school sometimes.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 Yes he does still train. He helps train me during the off season and after school sometimes. Is it a business for him or does he do it when he is in the gym lounging around? The guy could probably make some serious money if he's doing it full-time.
Guest DickVitale Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 He gets paid to do it. He has been at for some time now.
setxbbfan Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 I agree with everything said, but question the "ice injury". I would like to hear a medical professional speak to that. He probably did end a great run on an injury, but an ice pack injury. I am wondering about that one.
Guest DickVitale Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 Yeah, it does SOUND strange, but what happenend was he fell asleep in the training room while nursing a hamstring injury...The ice pack was on there so long it caused some sort of nerve issue that he could not shake..Yeah, it happenend but I agree it does sound pretty strange.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 He gets paid to do it. He has been at for some time now. I wish I'd known this before I hired a personal trainer from out of town for my boys.
Guest DickVitale Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 He gets paid to do it. He has been at for some time now. I wish I'd known this before I hired a personal trainer from out of town for my boys. Oh yeah he does it in Port Arthur and on most days he holds some sessions at Ozen in the summer during open gym.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 He gets paid to do it. He has been at for some time now. I wish I'd known this before I hired a personal trainer from out of town for my boys. Oh yeah he does it in Port Arthur and on most days he holds some sessions at Ozen in the summer during open gym. I'd like for my 10 year old (SG, PG)to play more regularly against the older players. Skill wise he can hang with them in the open court, but not if they take him low. But thats how I learned against the older guys.
Guest DickVitale Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 Here's another quip I got from my dad, Dove...At 10 years old do not place a position on a kid..His position is basketball player!! If you label him that early, then it will limit him if he grows to be 6'7 or stops at 5'11...Just let him play, and his true position will develop once he hits high school...Playing with the older kids will help, but make sure that it doesn't scrape his confidence at the same time, if he has limited success early playing with them..Anyway, that's my 2 cents on that, and I hoped it helped...
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 Here's another quip I got from my dad, Dove...At 10 years old do not place a position on a kid..His position is basketball player!! If you label him that early, then it will limit him if he grows to be 6'7 or stops at 5'11...Just let him play, and his true position will develop once he hits high school...Playing with the older kids will help, but make sure that it doesn't scrape his confidence at the same time, if he has limited success early playing with them..Anyway, that's my 2 cents on that, and I hoped it helped... Dang Dickie, I was going hate to agree with you again ;D But since you did give my (2nd) dad (ooops, yes Dickie I'm your unknown step-bro.) his props, I don't mind agreeing this time. I only listed his position he is playing now, only as a reference point to where he is right now. But so far it's working to his advantage with the older guys. He gets knocked down and shots blocked, but he gets right back up. So when he plays 12u & 10u in Houston, it's no big deal.
Guest DickVitale Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 I know its hard, but its fair!! So go ahead....you know I am right...That's called learning from OLD SCHOOL wisdom...and my dad is OLD!! ;D..I mean OLD SCHOOL!! : :
Guest bleed orange Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 There is no comparison between the two. BJ is a class act and JB needs to grow up. JB needs a wake up call. I think BJ needs to give him some advice but I think JB won't listen because he thinks he is all that. Sorry JB but everyone in college is all that. I hope you get your head on straight. A college education is a awesome thing. You could be set for life if you play your cards right and I am not talking about the NBA.
Guest DickVitale Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 You are right about BJ, but I think the major difference was the support that surounded BJ in the Lincoln days, as opposed to the dissention going on now in Port Arthur...I feel that if Lincoln were still around, number 1, he would have NEVER been at Beaumont Kelly in the first place as a 9th and 10th grader, which would have meant that he would have been humbled playing with the Lincoln kids as a youngster. Number 2, one of the ex-players would have really gotten into his chest about his attitude problem, EARLY on, which would have been a great help to the coaching staff. Thats how tradition rich programs work. They don't leave room for egos and attitudes..Think about this...Have you EVER heard of a kid with an attitude problem at Fort Worth Dunbar? Lincoln? I remember ONE that missed his entire senior season at Lincoln for an attitude problem that was a STARTER on the 91 championship team as a junior..(Kevin Thomas). He tried to come back an apologize, but it was a no-go....It just doesn't happen at tradition rich schools. If Lincoln were still around, J'Covan would have been much better off....
Guest bleed orange Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 You are right about BJ, but I think the major difference was the support that surounded BJ in the Lincoln days, as opposed to the dissention going on now in Port Arthur...I feel that if Lincoln were still around, number 1, he would have NEVER been at Beaumont Kelly in the first place as a 9th and 10th grader, which would have meant that he would have been humbled playing with the Lincoln kids as a youngster. Number 2, one of the ex-players would have really gotten into his chest about his attitude problem, EARLY on, which would have been a great help to the coaching staff. Thats how tradition rich programs work. They don't leave room for egos and attitudes..Think about this...Have you EVER heard of a kid with an attitude problem at Fort Worth Dunbar? Lincoln? I remember ONE that missed his entire senior season at Lincoln for an attitude problem that was a STARTER on the 91 championship team as a junior..(Kevin Thomas). He tried to come back an apologize, but it was a no-go....It just doesn't happen at tradition rich schools. If Lincoln were still around, J'Covan would have been much better off.... I agree with you and I will tell you why. I officiated football for 10 years One of the coaches I respected the most was Joe Washington. It was'nt because he was this great football coach. It was because his kids never got out of line. They were well mannered. Joe could not coach in this day and time. He did not take any crap from no one. I like that man. He taught the kids about life and that's what it is all about.
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