Trad Posted April 6, 2008 Report Posted April 6, 2008 Do they still have them? Can you protest a game because of a bad call? And even if you did find an umpire had made a bad call, will it do any good to appeal? I know in basketball a bad call that may have caused a game winning point is still called a loss, or a win, depending on which side of the gym you are on. Not much you can do about it. Bad calls, no calls and good calls all happen in the same game with basketball. If they still have protest of call can anyone come up with a real example where it had actually changed a game at the high school level? Also we see coaches arguing with umpires all the time, has this ever changed a call? I am not talking about an appeal from one umpire to the other.
MrUmp1 Posted April 6, 2008 Report Posted April 6, 2008 There is no protesting a game because of a judgement call. End of sentence. The only way a protest would be heard is if it was some sort of really strange happenings that a district committee would look at. In 16 yrs of Umpiring high schooll ball I have never seen a game protested.
elhector1 Posted April 6, 2008 Report Posted April 6, 2008 where you see games "played under protest" is in Little League. The reason for the protest is noted, and the method is outlined in the LL umpire rules. Remember, this post applies to Little League International only, and not to Dixie Youth or any other youth baseball program. In my experience, the few protests that were filed were usually subjective p***ing contests, and usually showed coaches and fans backsides, rather than actually solving something weird that had happened. As mrump1 stated, judgement calls were NOT grounds for protesting a game. Rather, a bat that was too big (usually noticed after some kid had gotten a couple of good hits), a glove that was 1/2 an inch too big, or a 12 year old that was shaving...usually found at NSLL or NNLLL... ;D...just kidding guys, much love, much love
Trad Posted April 6, 2008 Author Report Posted April 6, 2008 Thanks for the clarification. Then why do I see coaches rushing out to talk umpires after a questionable call so often, as the picture depicts on the front of the opening page?
MrUmp1 Posted April 6, 2008 Report Posted April 6, 2008 Cause that's part of baseball. Just remember, if the game was so easy to call from the dugout or the stands, the umps would sit there in a recliner and call the game.
Luther X Posted April 7, 2008 Report Posted April 7, 2008 You get good umpires and bad umpires. Everyone knows who they are....all luck of the draw.
Trad Posted April 7, 2008 Author Report Posted April 7, 2008 With the advent of cameras and instant slow motion replay I continue to be impressed that the umpires get the call right so often.
643 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Posted April 7, 2008 Thanks for the clarification. Then why do I see coaches rushing out to talk umpires after a questionable call so often, as the picture depicts on the front of the opening page? Although a judgement call can't be questiomed, perhaps the coach was questioning the umpires position he was in to make the call and was asking for him to ask for help, this is something some umpires have a hard time doing. I do think most calls are correct and the ones missed are mostly caused by being 'out of positition'.
elhector1 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Posted April 7, 2008 Eh...I beg to differ. I have seen at least one game in which a coach just "went off" on an umpire who was right on top of the play. I'm talking no obstructions to the line of sight, and saw the play as it happened, and I know simply because we were standing like 15 feet away from 1st base where the call was made. Sometimes, a coach has to stand up for his kids in what seems like a "questionable" judgement call. Notice that most umpires handle it pretty well, and have rarley ejected even really vehement objections. Like MrUmp1 said...part of the game.
MrUmp1 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Posted April 7, 2008 Was that me the coach went off on hector ??? lol I knew what he was doing and yes fighting for his kids but most know when I look over the glasses it's time to shut it up lol and for you fans.. you would not believe how many times a coach has told me that if he didn't yell at me his parents would get upset with him for not yelling. Now that's really teaching the kids something they can use in life ........
elhector1 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Posted April 7, 2008 To quote my good buddy Sgt Schultz..."I know nothing, I zee nothing,"... Wonder how many are going to jump on the last part of that last quote?...lol...
643 Posted April 7, 2008 Report Posted April 7, 2008 Eh...I beg to differ. I have seen at least one game in which a coach just "went off" on an umpire who was right on top of the play. I'm talking no obstructions to the line of sight, and saw the play as it happened, and I know simply because we were standing like 15 feet away from 1st base where the call was made. Sometimes, a coach has to stand up for his kids in what seems like a "questionable" judgement call. Notice that most umpires handle it pretty well, and have rarley ejected even really vehement objections. Like MrUmp1 said...part of the game. I could be and have been wrong BUT I do believe it plainly states in the book concerning argueing a 'judgement call' and BTW a Ump don't have to grant time for a response to a call. I'm sure not here to say it can't be done as I have on more than a cpl of occassions been out to visit with ump on a judgement call.
hjhawks Posted April 7, 2008 Report Posted April 7, 2008 I think umps should be able to yell at and question coaches when their kids make errors, or strike out! that would even it up a little ... haha
MrUmp1 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Posted April 8, 2008 There is only 2 or three of us umps at a game so i think we are out numbered, I'm not yelling back lol. There are other ways to take care of business in a much subtle way. For the most part in the games I have called in, it has been a very good year for sportsmanship. I know things may get a little on edge the next couple of weeks with playoff spots on the line, but I think for the most part everyone will handle it well. One thing I tell coaches and captains before a game is, championship teams act and play like championship teams. Think about it, if you take care of your business on the field, and handle the speed bumps along the way, then the game will take care of itself.
Guest BCNatureBoy Posted April 8, 2008 Report Posted April 8, 2008 I love when coaches and umps get in each others Grill, that's what baseball is all about. Adults screaming at one another.
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