Lamar Fan - Always Entertaining

[TexasTerror]

Glad to see Lamar fan getting involved in the SLC football discussion on the Houston Chronicle blog. Very humorous post...

How bout' my Lamar Cardinals? I know, not until 2010, but they will certainly challenge for SLC supremacy. Not in 2010, though, due to NCAA rules. But does anyone agree that Lamar could become a dominant force in the SLC? Or better yet, rumor has it that LU will join the FBS within five years. Could UH be a future opponent? It would be nice to create "The New Southwest Conference"......Baylor, Lamar, Rice, UH, UTSA (when/if they start), UTA (big if)....

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[Guest mffl]

Well with better facilities than SHSU there is no reason to think we couldn't.

[TexasTerror]

Well with better facilities than SHSU there is no reason to think we couldn't.

Think you couldn't want...?

Challenge for SLC supremacy? If it's anything like your last time playing football, it will be tough. You guys never succeeded at the Division I level, whether it Division I, Division I-AA or Division I-A. Outside of your big win over Baylor, not much going for that last Cardinals run. That aside (as it must be, as this is a new time), you guys have McNeese to look to just a few miles down the road to see what it takes to have a strong program...that's the goal you want to achieve, that is where you start. Cards must tame Pokes

Move to FBS? It's a fact that if Texas State-San Marcos fumbles their move up, which they already did once around the turn of the century when they announced a move and did not move up, it will impact the chance of SHSU and Lamar moving up. As noted before, in the TSUS pecking order, Lamar is third behind the two larger institutions in Huntsville and San Marcos. There was a reason that Lamar's name was not mentioned in the flagship fight that took place in the last five years. SHSU was the only school with an argument that could hold any weight against you know who. Fact is -- we need to see how this moratorium shapes up. Lamar, especially if football is not a hit, may not have a chance.

Southwest Conference? Apparently an alum from San Marcos holds those rights. They weren't even mentioned in the post. Go figure! Not sure why Baylor would leave the Big XII. Sure, they stink at football, but they are at their height in the basketballs and have pretty strong programs throughout their department. UH and Rice already learned their lesson from their last time in the SWC. Wouldn't you guys know about UH and their constant push for the SEC anyways, since most of you are 'Closet Coogs'...?

UNLV, can I get an amen?

[UNLV]

Well with better facilities than SHSU there is no reason to think we couldn't.

Think you couldn't want...?

Challenge for SLC supremacy? If it's anything like your last time playing football, it will be tough. You guys never succeeded at the Division I level, whether it Division I, Division I-AA or Division I-A. Outside of your big win over Baylor, not much going for that last Cardinals run. That aside (as it must be, as this is a new time), you guys have McNeese to look to just a few miles down the road to see what it takes to have a strong program...that's the goal you want to achieve, that is where you start. Cards must tame Pokes

Move to FBS? It's a fact that if Texas State-San Marcos fumbles their move up, which they already did once around the turn of the century when they announced a move and did not move up, it will impact the chance of SHSU and Lamar moving up. As noted before, in the TSUS pecking order, Lamar is third behind the two larger institutions in Huntsville and San Marcos. There was a reason that Lamar's name was not mentioned in the flagship fight that took place in the last five years. SHSU was the only school with an argument that could hold any weight against you know who. Fact is -- we need to see how this moratorium shapes up. Lamar, especially if football is not a hit, may not have a chance.

Southwest Conference? Apparently an alum from San Marcos holds those rights. They weren't even mentioned in the post. Go figure! Not sure why Baylor would leave the Big XII. Sure, they stink at football, but they are at their height in the basketballs and have pretty strong programs throughout their department. UH and Rice already learned their lesson from their last time in the SWC. Wouldn't you guys know about UH and their constant push for the SEC anyways, since most of you are 'Closet Coogs'...?

UNLV, can I get an amen?

He is laughing at Lamar again. While we are excited about joining the slc in 2011, SHSU will be joining FBS conference the same year. Then he will really pour it on.

UH not going sec. UH will go Big 12.

[TexasTerror]

He is laughing at Lamar again. While we are excited about joining the slc in 2011, SHSU will be joining FBS conference the same year. Then he will really pour it on.

SHSU would have to notify in 2009 if we were leaving on June 30, 2011. Doubt SHSU would do that unless you know something I do not.

UH not going sec. UH will go Big 12.

You think Texas and A&M are going to go to the SEC or something, opening up some Big XII real estate?

[UNLV]

He is laughing at Lamar again. While we are excited about joining the slc in 2011, SHSU will be joining FBS conference the same year. Then he will really pour it on.

SHSU would have to notify in 2009 if we were leaving on June 30, 2011. Doubt SHSU would do that unless you know something I do not.

UH not going sec. UH will go Big 12.

You think Texas and A&M are going to go to the SEC or something, opening up some Big XII real estate?

right, SHSU will announce in 2009 or 10. go ahead and laugh.

yes, UT, OU, and AM might go SEC. I know LSU and Arkansas wants to be in the same conference with them. Maybe a new conference with

LSU, Ark, UT, OU, AM, and a few other schools.

[Guest abovetherim]

All I can say is Lamar is going to have one heck of a walk-on program. They can recruit players with the promise of immediate playing time and with Coach Woodard a former JuCo HC he'll be heavily recruiting them the first few years as he builds ties to the local HS coaches in the area.

If you noticed I mentioned a few HS coaches I would talk with. 1. Coach Long (the same Dustin Long who played at A&M and SHSU). Coach Pierce (former All-American at McNeese State) 3. Coach Foreman (the son of a great coach who was a great athlete at WO-S and an very good young coach himself) 4. (I know it's a long shot) but I'd talk to Coach Stump, former HS All-American and Texas A&M QB.

[TexasTerror]

If you noticed I mentioned a few HS coaches I would talk with. 1. Coach Long (the same Dustin Long who played at A&M and SHSU). Coach Pierce (former All-American at McNeese State) 3. Coach Foreman (the son of a great coach who was a great athlete at WO-S and an very good young coach himself) 4. (I know it's a long shot) but I'd talk to Coach Stump, former HS All-American and Texas A&M QB.

Is that the same Coach Foreman who was at Huntsville HS a few years back?

[KFDM COOP]

Yes

[Guest coachacola]

Glad to see Lamar fan getting involved in the SLC football discussion on the Houston Chronicle blog. Very humorous post...

Nothing wrong with a fan getting excited about the return of football.  I guess if you're a SHSU fan you're not allowed to think big, but with their history I can see why.

SLC football seems to be getting weaker every year.  McNeese went undefeated in conference then loses in first round of the playoffs.  There's no reason why Lamar can't make an impact in 2011.

As noted before, in the TSUS pecking order, Lamar is third behind the two larger institutions in Huntsville and San Marcos. There was a reason that Lamar's name was not mentioned in the flagship fight that took place in the last five years. SHSU was the only school with an argument that could hold any weight against you know who.

That's a bogus argument.  The level of the athletic program isn't that closely tied to student population or SAT scores, but more with alumni support (and alumni with big money), athletic history, and these days, metro population.  SHSU's stadium only seats 14K, they average maybe 10K a year (and mostly students at that), and are in a small metro area.  SHSU's athletic budget is maybe $7 million a year and I doubt they can increase it too much more in the short term.  They'll have a hard time going FBS anytime soon.

[Guest mffl]

I think with good coaching, there is no reason to think that football can't succeed with the facilities we will have. I don't know if you saw the drawings, but the stadium and the new 40,000 (or around there) square foot athletic facility will attract some good players, local and some from around other parts of Texas, and La.

The reason football never succeeded in the 80's was probably because of the administration. Our basketball team was what got everybody got excited about. Your team can only be as good as the administration allows it to be, and the pres. then (Maybe McLaughlin?) didn't want it... I hear he is not a well liked guy around Lamar.

[UNLV]

The SLC will continue to get weaker with the addition of 2 or 3 DII teams in 2011.

1. Tarleton st  replaces Texas st

2. Northern Alabama replaces UTSA

SHSU might leave...I would bet yes today.

I dropped Delta st from joining...Their admin. is backing off the upgrade.

[TexasTerror]

SLC football seems to be getting weaker every year.  McNeese went undefeated in conference then loses in first round of the playoffs.  There's no reason why Lamar can't make an impact in 2011.

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about FCS football or the Southland. I'll slowly teach you all.

Katrina and Rita really set back this conference. A few schools, in particular all the schools in Louisiana, have had to change their scheduling to bring in more pay dates to recover money lost due to the storm. I believe SLU and NWST even had three FBS games in a year since the storm-filled year. That's not going to benefit the conference.

McNeese lost two of their All-Americans down the stretch. Steven Whitehead, the most explosive player in all of FCS was out all of last year. He returns this year. Going undefeated in the SLC is a tough task and the Pokes pulled it off. I do not think that the conference was down and could probably continue on with what would be a length description, but you would not know the personnel I am referring to or some of the issues surrounding it as you do not follow SLC football at this point.

That's a bogus argument.  The level of the athletic program isn't that closely tied to student population or SAT scores, but more with alumni support (and alumni with big money), athletic history, and these days, metro population.  SHSU's stadium only seats 14K, they average maybe 10K a year (and mostly students at that), and are in a small metro area.  SHSU's athletic budget is maybe $7 million a year and I doubt they can increase it too much more in the short term.  They'll have a hard time going FBS anytime soon.

SHSU would not have has hard a time as you think with moving towards FBS. Outside of the football stadium that needs continued upgrades, much of the infrastructure that Lamar lacks (i.e strong track and field facility, complimentary baseball/softball fields) is already in place. It would not be hard to upgrade the football stadium as we can put more seats on the grassy areas. The press box/suite area could easily be expanded another level or few (as it was recently) and a second level could be put on the visiting side of the stands. It would not be hard based on how the stadium is constructed.

Throw in the fact that we got a $1M donation to baseball (Don Sanders) and are in the process of establishing a $1.5M donation for basketball (already $750k is committed from an individual, who already bankrolled our strength and conditioning facility). Unlike some of the numbers thrown around here, these are all spot on...

Again, the Board of Regents is watching the San Marcos situation. If they bomb their move, they will force higher standards from the other schools in the system as it relates to a move-up. The BoR already has the pecking order in mind and across the board, Lamar is #3. The BoR would question why SHSU was not moving up if Lamar and San Marcos both made a move, forcing SHSU's hand -- though our inner circle is already hard at work on a potential FBS move. The 'environment' at the FBS level would have to be right for our move and all of our pieces of the puzzle would have to be in place prior to we announce it. We're not like the San Marcos institution.

[TexasTerror]

The SLC will continue to get weaker with the addition of 2 or 3 DII teams in 2011.

1. Tarleton st  replaces Texas st

2. Northern Alabama replaces UTSA

SHSU might leave...I would bet yes today.

I dropped Delta st from joining...Their admin. is backing off the upgrade.

Tarleton State would be next in line...but Northern Alabama? They are going to the Ohio Valley Conference. It makes too much sense for them. They were mentioned for the SLC, but seriously? The SLC would not want that at all.

Harding in Arkansas has been mentioned as a Div I candidate, though I doubt we go that direction (or I doubt they go Div I)...

[Guest coachacola]

In relation to some of the top FCS conferences the SLC is getting weaker and I don't see that changing, especially if a lot of the La schools are being run on a shoestring budget.

My point about SHSU not being ready for FBS was more in response to UNLV saying that SHSU will be moving to FBS in a few years while LU stays in the SLC.  Neither LU or SHSU is ready to go FBS now, but in 5 years I can't see why both won't be ready.  But I do believe SHSU will have a hard time boosting attendance at their games due to being located in a small town.

With the lack of FCS schools in this part of the country it makes sense to go FBS, otherwise the scheduling choices are (1) FCS schools you've never heard, (2) DII schools, or (3)  a few FBS schools for the money.  I think  it makes sense to go FBS because you can play more schools that people have heard of which should increase attendance and increase the potential for TV money and exposure.

McNeese State can beat half the Sunbelt schools anyway so there's no reason they can't go FBS.  UCA is a growing University in the Little Rock metro area so they have lots of potential.  Mix in these schools along with LU and SHSU, and depending on what happens when the moratorium ends, join up with schools from other conferences, you've got a better football, basketball, and baseball conference than the SLC.

[TexasTerror]

With the lack of FCS schools in this part of the country it makes sense to go FBS, otherwise the scheduling choices are (1) FCS schools you've never heard, (2) DII schools, or (3)  a few FBS schools for the money.  I think  it makes sense to go FBS because you can play more schools that people have heard of which should increase attendance and increase the potential for TV money and exposure.

The SWAC just added two more OOC games and got rid of their nine-game mandate (which forced them to play every other school in the conference). This is going to open up some more games for our the SWAC to play the SLC. Already seeing a few of those...

McNeese State can beat half the Sunbelt schools anyway so there's no reason they can't go FBS.  UCA is a growing University in the Little Rock metro area so they have lots of potential.  Mix in these schools along with LU and SHSU, and depending on what happens when the moratorium ends, join up with schools from other conferences, you've got a better football, basketball, and baseball conference than the SLC.

UCA is going to kick all of our tails soon enough! They are doing all sorts of things and look what they've done in football!

[UNLV]

What did La-Monroe have that SHSU is lacking?

[TexasTerror]

What did La-Monroe have that SHSU is lacking?

Monroe was already a football-playing member of the Sun Belt and the SBC refused to have a school be an affiliate member of a major sport, so ULM upgraded their programs and moved in the time frame established. Monroe's last football season in the SLC was 1995.

ULM finished 11th of 13 schools in the Sun Belt's All-Conference championship (similar to our Commish Cup). In fact, they only had one sport finish higher than fourth place in a SBC sport and that was baseball (which won the regular season title). They are struggling in the conference...

[UNLV]

What did La-Monroe have that SHSU is lacking?

Monroe was already a football-playing member of the Sun Belt and the SBC refused to have a school be an affiliate member of a major sport, so ULM upgraded their programs and moved in the time frame established. Monroe's last football season in the SLC was 1995.

ULM finished 11th of 13 schools in the Sun Belt's All-Conference championship (similar to our Commish Cup). In fact, they only had one sport finish higher than fourth place in a SBC sport and that was baseball (which won the regular season title). They are struggling in the conference...

Again, What did La-Monroe have that SHSU is lacking?  Monroe played I-AA then moved up.

[Guest coachacola]

What did La-Monroe have that SHSU is lacking?

This:

[Guest mffl]

Well, La-Monroe did get a national televised basketball game at home this year versus USA (they got their tails kicked but still).

I think SHSU would have to make major improvements to Bower Stadium to move up to FBS. Look at Bowers Stadium- http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=19900&ATCLID=1275265 And look at another thread at the new Cardinal Stadium... (after renovations). Cardinal Stadium will blow Bowers Stadium away. Recruits will be attracted to all of the new energy and fan support surrounding Lamar Football. It will be a success, I think at least. Either way, I think Lamar's fan support across the board in sports blows Sam Houston's away. LU is about to get a new baseball complex that will be the best in the conference. Once the athletic offices move into the new football facility there are talks of a men's basketball practice facility in the Montagne. And the reason all of this will happen and Lamar will be successful, is because of Administration. I look forward to all of this stuff happening and Lamar owning the SLC for 5 years until we move to a bigger conference. It will happen eventually if we keep heading down the path we're going.

[TexasTerror]

Note to self...facilities win championships (per MFFL). This must explain why Lamar with the best basketball facilities in the conference have yet to win an SLC title, eh? I don't buy into it. Helps, but as we've learned in the past, just having "top ranked recruits" do not win titles.

As I noted in my post above, SHSU has the edge over Lamar in baseball and softball, as well as track and field. Lamar is one of the few institutions in the state of Texas that lacks a track and field facility that meets even the SLC's standards for hosting a conference meet. Our basketball facility is not that bad and has undergone improvements as well in recent years (i.e scoreboards). I've been around a few arenas in the area and again, it's comparable to all the not so new facilities.

If SHSU were to improve Bowers and we have plenty of space to do so, it wouldn't be hard to get up to FBS standards. We have room to grow without even building a second desk. We've already improved our press box in recent years, though another level or two of suites would be nice. We were ahead of the game with a video board and other enhancements that our rivals just put in this last year or this coming year. Not too concerned...

[UNLV]

What did La-Monroe have that SHSU is lacking?

This:

your picture is not showing...  what is it?

[UNLV]

If SHSU were to improve Bowers and we have plenty of space to do so, it wouldn't be hard to get up to FBS standards.

I know, so why are you keeping up the playing dumb about SHSU moving up to FBS.

Is it to get your laugh on when SHSU is playing Tulsa and Lamar is playing Tarleton st.

[Guest mffl]

I wasn't saying it wouldn't be the automatic ticket to winning, but i'd think it would help our chances of moving to FBS faster. I mean the support we get at Lamar is about 3 times as much y'all get... just check out the basketball attendance numbers. Oh and SH still won more games and even beat Texas Tech, we almost drew twice that many to our homecoming game against NWST.

That is why I'd think it would be easier for us to move up to FBS faster. Of course, you are a guru of that stuff. I'd just say thats common sense but I know there is a lot more to moving up to FBS which you probably know.