Astros in a downward spiral...Chacon suspended after altercation with GM

[HoopInsider_Cooper]

These are the days!!!!!!

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[KFDM COOP]

Going to be a long rest of the season!! No Pitching anyway.

[Guest Orangeboy]

He should have done a Shaq freeflow rap on Wade instead on going Spreewell on him.  ;D A little Ed Wade how's my rear taste? Now he is most likely through in the MLB.

[Bucof2010]

This is first thing bout astros I've read this year. They having a typical year?

[Ruckdad]

What do you call typical?

Making the playoffs - not this year!

A winning season - not this year!

If typical consists of what they did last year - then yes.

[AJ25]

sad thing is, other than his last two starts.. he's been the best pitcher on the staff. and the astros screwed up by moving him to the bullpen. there loss. he'll find work else where

[Ruckdad]

AJ - It's more than his last two starts.  In the month of June he is 0-3 with a 9+ ERA.  HIs last 10starts

April 30 - 5.0 IP, 7hits, 5 earned runs

May 6 - 7 IP, 8 hits, 4 earned runs

May 11 - 6IP, 7 hits, 2 earned runs (quality start)

May 16 - 3.1 IP 6 hits, 5 earned runs (BAD)

May 21 - 7 IP, 5 hits, 3 earned runs (quality start)

May 27 - 7IP, 7 hits, 2 Earned runs (quality start)

And now it gets bad

June 1 - 1ip - 4 earned runs

June 7 - 5 Ip, 10 hits, 7 earned runs

June 13 - 6.1 IP 1 earned run (quality start)

June 19 - 5IP, 8 hits and 6 earned runs (BAD)

4 quality starts in his last 10 - was signed by the club after the start of spring training because no one else had signed him to start either.  And if we can even debate the idea that Shawn Chacon is/was the Astros best pitcher of the year, then the Astros are in sad, sad shape.

[AJ25]

have you seen our record/standing in the division? sad, sad shape.

[Ruckdad]

I agree, because we are relying on guys that would be marginal 4th - 5th starters on most rosters to be 2nd and 3rd starters here.

Don't look for it to get any better in the next year or possibly two, either.

[bullets13]

I agree, because we are relying on guys that would be marginal 4th - 5th starters on most rosters to be 2nd and 3rd starters here.

Don't look for it to get any better in the next year or possibly two, either.

the stros' ace is liking like a #4 or #5 starter this year.

[KFDM COOP]

Not good

[AJ25]

but, its very typical of the astros front office.. moderate to strong bats.. terrible pitching.

[HoopInsider_Cooper]

This is Houston's fault...They took a chance on signing him...Yes he has talent but he's a nut job.

Problem is Cooper is a good manager but 0 pitching. It is time for a fire sale.

Keep Puma and Tejada. Carlos Lee is in a major slump but 'Stros have too much $ in him to dump him.

I'd package Pence, Roy-o (Yes, I said it) and get a ton of talent like Tampa Bay did...

[Ruckdad]

AJ - how can you say that - based on the last couple of playoff teams the Astros have had and even the 200 and 2007 teams.  From 2005 to 2007 the Astros had a laughable offense.  The 2005 WS team was nothing but pitching and defense.  The last time the Astros had a respectable offensive team was in 2004, and that was really only after the addition of Carlos Beltran.

And we can't really pin much of the problems on the current front office.  The majority of the problems the Stros face currently are because of mismanagement under Timmy P.  Of course Drayton has a say in all that as well, but Drayton has shown he will open the purse strings when necessary to add a piece to a contending team (Randy Johnson, Carlos Beltran, Moises Alou and some others).

So to say that the front office typically eschews pitching for offense is just wrong.  Maybe you are thinking of the Rangers front office.

[Ruckdad]

This is Houston's fault...They took a chance on signing him...Yes he has talent but he's a nut job.

Problem is Cooper is a good manager but 0 pitching. It is time for a fire sale.

Keep Puma and Tejada. Carlos Lee is in a major slump but 'Stros have too much $ in him to dump him.

I'd package Pence, Roy-o (Yes, I said it) and get a ton of talent like Tampa Bay did...

Coop - I agree but I'd keep Pence ( he's young, talented and under Astros control for a few more years).  The problem with Roy, Puma and Lee is they all have no trade clauses.  Plus Lee has a ton of money still coming to him.  Tejada is now obviously on the down side of his career.  Berkman and Roy -O are your two most likely trade commodities, but if youdo that the fans will be upset.

It's going to take a couple more years of good drafts to get this team competitive again, and by that time, Lee, Berkamn and Roy will all be towards the end, though hopefully still productive.

[Guest bbguru01]

Pitching,pitching,pitching.

     

[KFDM COOP]

Yup, Yup Yup!

[KFDM COOP]

Now Released!

Astros request waivers for Chacon's unconditional release

HOUSTON -- The Houston Astros have released Shawn Chacon, opting to cut the right-hander a day after he reportedly grabbed general manager Ed Wade by the neck and threw him to the ground.

The team requested waivers on Chacon on Thursday for the purpose of giving him his unconditional release. If he isn't claimed by another major league team by Monday, waivers will expire and his contract will be terminated without pay.

[AJ25]

i agree. get rid of what you can on this team.. its time to develop. YOUNG TALENT. its what we need..