Who Goes In 20 4A? Top 4!

[Guest LR1969]

I'll repeat what I said awhile back...No LC-M, No Ozen in playoffs. I will now add PN-G to that mix. Not because I dislike PN-G but, rather, because Mathematics tells me so. That leaves 5 teams (Lumberton, Livingston, Nederland, Vidor, Central). Despite the fact that my karma will suffer for saying so, I have to still agree with Michael somewhat that this is not an overly strong 20-4A. If you look outside district play, you will see that no one in this district has beaten a "strong" team at all. In fact, a few losses have come from some "mediocre" teams as well as a few close games to "mediocre to poor" teams. Before I'm attacked, I will admit to not seeing every game played in the district although I do watch highlights, read the post-game and come on here to discuss it all. So, I wouldn't say I am uninformed. Let me add the Lumberton scrimmage loss to Dayton in there to, which is one of only a few barometers we have to compare 20-4a to 19-4A. The Broncos clobbered Lumberton. And, I don't care if it was a scrimmage or not. It was a contest between two schools who both had something to prove. Dayton made their point and Lumberton didn't. I don't care if Dayton supposedly scouted "too much" or that the Raiders were supposedly too tired from partying the night before. Being prepared for a football game (scrimmage or not) is as much a part of the game as playing it. That's what separates good teams from "mediocre" teams.

My take...(in order)

Lumberton

Livingston

Central

Nederland

As a Lumberton fan, I will admit that I went with the pundits and felt like Lumberton would have an average year (maybe 6-4) after losing so many starters. Unless something unexpected occurs, I now see the Raiders winning out. But, again, this is 20-4A. Anything can happen.

The Lumberton victory over Livingston shocked me. I expected Livingston to play hard in 20-4A after a good playoff run last year. I guess it just took a few games for the Lions to bring it together. However, despite the whipping from Lumberton, the Lions looked tough at times. In fact, I remember telling the PN-G fans that I felt like the "new turf" at the Rez would benefit the Lions because they are a quick team that shouldn't be overlooked. If they continue to play as they have of late, I don't see the Lions losing another game.

Central hasn't impressed me. Of course, I only saw them play Lumberton but it wasn't impressive. I think the Jags are a "mediocre" team playing in a "mediocre" district. I just put Lumberton a little higher on the "mediocrity" scale.

Nederland has had its moments but the loss to Central may have taken the wind from the dogs sails. I wasn't big on Ned when the season started but then I began to change my mind, only to see them fall to the Jags. Hopefully, for Bulldog fans, they will regroup. But, they could falter, which would put Vidor right back in the thick of things. Who knows?

I will maintain what I have said all along. I don't think any team in this district will go far in the playoffs. It's possible we could have 1 or 2 make it past the first round but I don't see any team making it beyond that. I hope I'm wrong. I hope a team from 20-4A takes it all the way. Once the playoffs start, I am all about 20-4A. The last team standing will have my full support until district play starts again next year.

[BMTSoulja1]

I'll repeat what I said awhile back...No LC-M, No Ozen in playoffs. I will now add PN-G to that mix. Not because I dislike PN-G but, rather, because Mathematics tells me so. That leaves 5 teams (Lumberton, Livingston, Nederland, Vidor, Central). Despite the fact that my karma will suffer for saying so, I have to still agree with Michael somewhat that this is not an overly strong 20-4A. If you look outside district play, you will see that no one in this district has beaten a "strong" team at all. In fact, a few losses have come from some "mediocre" teams as well as a few close games to "mediocre to poor" teams. Before I'm attacked, I will admit to not seeing every game played in the district although I do watch highlights, read the post-game and come on here to discuss it all. So, I wouldn't say I am uninformed. Let me add the Lumberton scrimmage loss to Dayton in there to, which is one of only a few barometers we have to compare 20-4a to 19-4A. The Broncos clobbered Lumberton. And, I don't care if it was a scrimmage or not. It was a contest between two schools who both had something to prove. Dayton made their point and Lumberton didn't. I don't care if Dayton supposedly scouted "too much" or that the Raiders were supposedly too tired from partying the night before. Being prepared for a football game (scrimmage or not) is as much a part of the game as playing it. That's what separates good teams from "mediocre" teams.

My take...(in order)

Lumberton

Livingston

Central

Nederland

As a Lumberton fan, I will admit that I went with the pundits and felt like Lumberton would have an average year (maybe 6-4) after losing so many starters. Unless something unexpected occurs, I now see the Raiders winning out. But, again, this is 20-4A. Anything can happen.

The Lumberton victory over Livingston shocked me. I expected Livingston to play hard in 20-4A after a good playoff run last year. I guess it just took a few games for the Lions to bring it together. However, despite the whipping from Lumberton, the Lions looked tough at times. In fact, I remember telling the PN-G fans that I felt like the "new turf" at the Rez would benefit the Lions because they are a quick team that shouldn't be overlooked. If they continue to play as they have of late, I don't see the Lions losing another game.

Central hasn't impressed me. Of course, I only saw them play Lumberton but it wasn't impressive. I think the Jags are a "mediocre" team playing in a "mediocre" district. I just put Lumberton a little higher on the "mediocrity" scale.

Nederland has had its moments but the loss to Central may have taken the wind from the dogs sails. I wasn't big on Ned when the season started but then I began to change my mind, only to see them fall to the Jags. Hopefully, for Bulldog fans, they will regroup. But, they could falter, which would put Vidor right back in the thick of things. Who knows?

I will maintain what I have said all along. I don't think any team in this district will go far in the playoffs. It's possible we could have 1 or 2 make it past the first round but I don't see any team making it beyond that. I hope I'm wrong. I hope a team from 20-4A takes it all the way. Once the playoffs start, I am all about 20-4A. The last team standing will have my full support until district play starts again next year.

Are you serious?  And you put Lumberton on a higher level of mediocrety when Vidor shut yall out in the second half and won?  Come on, now..

[dme1111]

I love it... Everyone is even... Any of the top five could win against any other top 5 opponent on any given friday night This is high school football at it finest.

[vidor pirate]

how exactly can you prove that the top 4 teams in district are "not that good"

you can't...

I can see how you feel that way being from Vidor and never going to the playoffs.  If you had ever been you would have seen that the teams get a LOT better in the playoffs. They have complete teams.  Teams that can pass, run, and play tremendous defense. No one in 20-4a has the complete package.   From what I have seen this far I think Lumberton has the best chance of advancing in the playoffs. They have a solid defense and a decently two dimensional offense.

Central is to one dimensional on offense and has a pretty good defense.  I think Vidor very easily could be 1-3 in district if not for one very spirited half of football.  Nederland has a tremendous offense and an iffy defense. The wildcard to me is still Livingston.

we have been to the playoffs

and we could very easily be 4-0 in district as well buddy, its a double edged sword

thats why i dont deal with what-iffs,

i deal with what did's

[vidor pirate]

We have a good team this year! Nederland will find out soon enough!!!!!!!!! I hope your not saying Nederland is that good this year?

Vidor may well have a better team than Nederland this year, but I will bet you a coca cola that Vidor will not contend for a regional, much less state title this year.

This is an excercise in futility, but I will try this one more time. You ask so I tell you, the reason I think I have a pretty good idea about the real quality of these teams is because like a few others I know here, I have seen so much high school football you would not believe it. Way outside of 20-4A and Region III. I really have. I have seen playoff games by the hundreds, all sorts of teams from all classes but mostly 4A because it interests me.  I have seen what really truly good teams look like when they play. Our beloved 20-4A teams are good solid high school football teams but they are not playing anywhere close to the level of execution that really good teams play. Really good teams play lights out and I mean LIGHTS OUT defense with no mistakes against teams they should beat. Offenses are crisp and virtually flawless, its like watching a machine, its awe inspiring to watch them execute. When two of these teams meet its like watching a chess game to see who is going to be the first one to make a mistake. Dayton last year was a great example of this defensively. But Lake Travis made them look like a Junior High team. Once Dayton got rolling there was absolutely no one that was going to beat them, they were truly awesome,, until they met Goliath. This year when Nederland hammered PNG and then scored 49 points in less than a half of football on LCM, I thought maybe they were beginning to show signs of being some semblance "that good", but they were not, not yet anyway and I doubt they will be. By now they would be hammering average district teams, even the good ones if they were that good.

Central has played too close to mediocre teams this season to classify them as "that good". Dont get me wrong I realize Vidor is totally bad to the bone but playing a 1 point game with Vidor is not a good thing. With all due respect, if a team loses to Vidor odds are its a sign of that teams weakness not Vidor's strength. I know I am a jerk for saying that but its true.

Lumberton met up with a pretty good team last year in Waller, but they (neither Lumberton nor Waller) were good enough.. Central and LaMarque a couple of years ago, Central saw that elite level.. I am telling you guys that have not seen it in person, its a whole different level of football it really is. When you see it you will know,, there is no doubt about it.

All that being said, my opinion is just that. Just like other things,, we all have em'.  

i never said our district was excellent, but i did say that they are not mediocre

i guess you are backing off from that statement

also, we dominated the team you have winning district, so you can not say that we are mediocre...

[dme1111]

We have a good team this year! Nederland will find out soon enough!!!!!!!!! I hope your not saying Nederland is that good this year?

Vidor may well have a better team than Nederland this year, but I will bet you a coca cola that Vidor will not contend for a regional, much less state title this year.

This is an excercise in futility, but I will try this one more time. You ask so I tell you, the reason I think I have a pretty good idea about the real quality of these teams is because like a few others I know here, I have seen so much high school football you would not believe it. Way outside of 20-4A and Region III. I really have. I have seen playoff games by the hundreds, all sorts of teams from all classes but mostly 4A because it interests me.  I have seen what really truly good teams look like when they play. Our beloved 20-4A teams are good solid high school football teams but they are not playing anywhere close to the level of execution that really good teams play. Really good teams play lights out and I mean LIGHTS OUT defense with no mistakes against teams they should beat. Offenses are crisp and virtually flawless, its like watching a machine, its awe inspiring to watch them execute. When two of these teams meet its like watching a chess game to see who is going to be the first one to make a mistake. Dayton last year was a great example of this defensively. But Lake Travis made them look like a Junior High team. Once Dayton got rolling there was absolutely no one that was going to beat them, they were truly awesome,, until they met Goliath. This year when Nederland hammered PNG and then scored 49 points in less than a half of football on LCM, I thought maybe they were beginning to show signs of being some semblance "that good", but they were not, not yet anyway and I doubt they will be. By now they would be hammering average district teams, even the good ones if they were that good.

Central has played too close to mediocre teams this season to classify them as "that good". Dont get me wrong I realize Vidor is totally bad to the bone but playing a 1 point game with Vidor is not a good thing. With all due respect, if a team loses to Vidor odds are its a sign of that teams weakness not Vidor's strength. I know I am a jerk for saying that but its true.

Lumberton met up with a pretty good team last year in Waller, but they (neither Lumberton nor Waller) were good enough.. Central and LaMarque a couple of years ago, Central saw that elite level.. I am telling you guys that have not seen it in person, its a whole different level of football it really is. When you see it you will know,, there is no doubt about it.

All that being said, my opinion is just that. Just like other things,, we all have em'.  

i never said our district was excellent, but i did say that they are not mediocre

i guess you are backing off from that statement

also, we dominated the team you have winning district, so you can not say that we are mediocre...

dominated?  I don't think anyone has been completely dominated nor do I think anyone will.  Cmon... Yall are one of the top five instead of the bottom three, that in itself should have vidor fans excited.  Vidor football is heading in the right direction. However yall aren't dominate and will not dominate this district. and this Is a fairly average district in the state... no top ten teams... not even one top 25 team.  sounds mediocre to me.

[raideroldtimer]

Wow NDN, you guys lose one gam and you drop your team to 4th, harsh.

Raider, PNG won't be one of the 4 representing the district.  I believe Vidor took care of us last night.  But its ok, its late...I understand.  Best of luck to the Raiders....we'll see you at the new Rez!

LOL.yeah I realized that after I posted, should've removed it. For some reason as soon as I see the big N in your name my mind goes to the other side of mid-county........sorry. 

[raideroldtimer]

Wouldn't it be sweet if somewhere out of the clear blue sky, all of a sudden someone from district 20-4a ended up representing region 3? I mean on any given night, who knows........... ???

[BMTSoulja1]

That would be a dream come true, raideroldtimer.  Even more sweeter if it were my Jags.

[dme1111]

What the Central-Nederland game did was verify what westend1 stated in another thread, that Nederland is one of several mediocre teams in 20-4A that had yet to run into any competition. Central is very mediocre too. They are soft to the run defensively (Sounds weird after a win and a decent game, but Nederland could and probably should have run on them all night, Central could not stop Grogan) and totally and completely 1 dimensional on offense... Pure sandlot football.  What it also confirms is that PNG is downright weak, especially after their loss to Vidor.  I hope Lumberton and Livingston are better than I think they are because they are the only hopes I see at this point of 20-4A being represented beyond the 1st round of the playoffs.

No disrespect to Central but what I saw was a VERY basic 1 dimensional offense. Line up in the wishbone and run right at you. Nederland essentially had 11 men in the box all night. They actually did an ok job of containing the run until Central would lob a grenade downfield and get a cheap 35 yard completion or have blown coverage and give the QB a 25 yard gain from 3rd and 100. Actually Nederlands run defense was not too too bad except on 3rd and long, but the secondary needs some serious coaching help. On the very few pass completions that Central got, all the defender needed to do was look up and swat. Chronic problem continues for Nederlands secondary.

mediocre, mediocre, mediocre.

Top 4

Lumberton

Livingston

Central

Vidor/Nederland

in that order.

i'm sorry, but this post makes absolutely no sense at all

you are completely ignorant of 20-4a football

and actually, i'm not sorry, this is one of the stupidest posts i have ever seen on here

lol Pirate, coming from you that really stings buddy.  

Soulja, its honestly not sour grapes at all, I really truly don't hate Central. I would almost rather talk face to face about it than online because its so easy to be misunderstood online. If we talked eye to eye, I know that my comments would come off to you as honest and genuine not sour grapes. I have an opinion about what I saw last night from Nederland and Central, not intended to put Central down or belittle their win. Just an assessment of what I witnessed. I had a feeling that Nederland had not faced a decent opponent and Central was just that to me,,, decent and that was all it took to take them down. This game verified that Nederland is just ok, not great like we Nederland fans were hoping. Reality check, thats all.    

So what you mean to tell me is before this game, Nederland was a great team and their offense is unstoppable, and all other teams in this district sucks.  Now that Nederland have lost, all teams are Mediocre now.  I guess it hurts you that other teams may be better than Nederland.

Ok, I'll play. 

No, I have definitely never said that Nederland was a great team, at least not this season. I am reasonably certain that I personally never said that their offense was unstoppable this year. Go find somewhere that I said anything of the sort, I am pretty sure I never did.  Again, written word is easily misunderstood because,, I have no problems with other teams being better than Nederland. I have no problem with Nederland losing to great teams, I do hate to see them lose to average teams because it confirms that they are not as great as I hoped. I am sure that you being a pretty astute fan feel the same way about Central when you really think about it. I am pretty sure that the fact that you only beat Vidor by one point brings a shiver down your spine because you know that Central really should be able to beat them more decisively that that if they are a legit playoff contender.

Based on historical experience, results and what I saw last night I think Central is average in the big picture.  I said yesterday before the game was played that I did not think there were any legit contenders in our district INCLUDING Nederland and it was going to probably take a few rounds into the playoffs to get to a legit contender to prove otherwise.  As a matter of fact I was careful to say in all my posts that the jury was still out when questions about Nederlands actual strength were asked. I was hopeful that they were a great team, who isn't hopeful that their team is great on a Statewide contender level? You have to see what I am talking about, you have been around too long.

Just looking at last night and not the big picture I honestly say, kudos and big congrats to Central on a well played game.

i'm guessing that you have been away from 20-4a for a while

we have a good team this year..

and i know what's gonna send chills down your spine

playin vidor on homecoming baby!!!

also... ur an idiot

Vidor is not that good.  Nederland is not that good. Central is not that good.  Livingston is not that good.  Lumberton is not that good.  Pretty evenly matched, but none of the top four in this district could beat Dayton, Friendswood or Texas City.  We have a good district because all the teams are at about the same skill level.  I don't see why you all are so offended at this fact.  Get over it.  It will be fun down the stretch. One of the fairly good teams will not make it this year.  But none will go further than the 2nd or 3rd round.  Good luck to everyone.

dude dont put down the teams like that!! do you watch every single one of their games?! (doubt it) all teams play really strong!

Lumberton is the best team in the district (My opinion)

we had one off game (vidor)

but we pulled it together after that and are more pumped than ever to go deep in the play offs.

dont under estimate the L-train.

if you actually watched us play. were improving every game and fast.

and all the other district teams well do good in playoffs to.

dont diss us dude!

I'm just being honest. I appreciate that you love your team.  I bleed black and gold.  I love the bulldogs but we don't have a state championship team. The L-train as you call it is just another moderately good football program.  I think Lumberton is playing the best football in the district right now.  But put them up against some of the better teams in region 3 and they would get smoked. Thats just the way it is.

[Guest LR1969]

Yeah bmtsoulja1....I do put Lumberton ahead of Vidor...On any given night, anything can happen in high school football (well, almost anything) but I still feel the Raiders are the better team...I think Lumberton came out flat the second half, Vidor took advantage and kicked butt. That's what happens. But, I don't feel they're a better team than Lumberton any more than I feel Ole Miss is a better team (pound for pound, overall) than Florida despite beating them this year. Vidor was better for one half and that's all it took to win just as Ole Miss pulled off an upset of the Gators this season. Put Ole Miss and Florida on the same field 10 times and the Gators win at least 8 of those times...Just my perspective...By the wait, I can't stand the Florida Gators!

Of course, it could be that the Raiders just let Vidor win that night like Central let Lumberton beat them..haha...Don't get upset anybody..Just a little joke at bmtsouja1's expense...Good luck to your Jags!

[Guest Its_All_About_Tha_U]

Vidor will miss the playoffs. It will be Lumberton

                                                Livingston

                                                Central

                                                Nederland...in that order.

[vidor pirate]

Vidor will miss the playoffs. It will be Lumberton

                                                 Livingston

                                                 Central

                                                 Nederland...in that order.

seriously what do you have against us man

sour grapes im guessing

we were the better team that night...

get over it!!!!!

[RonBurgundy68]

Vidor will miss the playoffs. It will be Lumberton

                                                 Livingston

                                                 Central

                                                 Nederland...in that order.

seriously what do you have against us man

sour grapes im guessing

we were the better team that night...

get over it!!!!!

I think he's upset because ol' Miami isn't doing too hot... Got alot of points put up against them by Duke, and got beat by NC...

[vidor pirate]

Vidor will miss the playoffs. It will be Lumberton

                                                 Livingston

                                                 Central

                                                 Nederland...in that order.

seriously what do you have against us man

sour grapes im guessing

we were the better team that night...

get over it!!!!!

I think he's upset because ol' Miami isn't doing too hot... Got alot of points put up against them by Duke, and got beat by NC...

yep

my horns crushed mizzou last night

ive never noticed how fat chase daniel was until that game lmao

[Guest Its_All_About_Tha_U]

Vidor will miss the playoffs. It will be Lumberton

                                                 Livingston

                                                 Central

                                                 Nederland...in that order.

seriously what do you have against us man

sour grapes im guessing

we were the better team that night...

get over it!!!!!

lol..I was just trying to get a rise out of U Vidor guys and I guessed it worked. lol...I just like messing with U. I'm actually over that loss now and have moved on. Yes, U guys were the better team that night, I'm not disputing that whatsoever. I don't have anything against Vidor.

[RonBurgundy68]

Vidor will miss the playoffs. It will be Lumberton

                                                 Livingston

                                                 Central

                                                 Nederland...in that order.

seriously what do you have against us man

sour grapes im guessing

we were the better team that night...

get over it!!!!!

lol..I was just trying to get a rise out of U Vidor guys and I guessed it worked. lol...I just like messing with U. I'm actually over that loss now and have moved on. Yes, U guys were the better team that night, I'm not disputing that whatsoever. I don't have anything against Vidor.

Haha and that's what we're doing as well... All in good fun

[vidor pirate]

Vidor will miss the playoffs. It will be Lumberton

                                                 Livingston

                                                 Central

                                                 Nederland...in that order.

seriously what do you have against us man

sour grapes im guessing

we were the better team that night...

get over it!!!!!

lol..I was just trying to get a rise out of U Vidor guys and I guessed it worked. lol...I just like messing with U. I'm actually over that loss now and have moved on. Yes, U guys were the better team that night, I'm not disputing that whatsoever. I don't have anything against Vidor.

Haha and that's what we're doing as well... All in good fun

yep yep :-)

we mess with yall cuz we like yall lol

well at least i do ;D

[Guest LR1969]

thanks for the cool response "vidorites"...there's was plenty of ammo there to run with but you didn't do it...Sometimes it's hard to say what you really think because someone will take it personally and start a big hissy fight...if I had the ability to give Karma, I'd toss you a few but I'm just a peon here (ha).

[vidor pirate]

thanks for the cool response "vidorites"...there's was plenty of ammo there to run with but you didn't do it...Sometimes it's hard to say what you really think because someone will take it personally and start a big hissy fight...if I had the ability to give Karma, I'd toss you a few but I'm just a peon here (ha).

hehe

just mark me down for some

cuz i need it lol

i guess speaking the truth, however harsh, and not being politically correct kills ur karma

[WTB]

u can applaud them which improves there karma

[dme1111]

Vidor will miss the playoffs. It will be Lumberton

                                                 Livingston

                                                 Central

                                                 Nederland...in that order.

I agree with the picks but not sure about that order... to much football to play yet.

[adminbaberuth]

I've seen Ozen, Central, PNG, LCM and Nederland so far.

[NDNWarrior]

Wow NDN, you guys lose one gam and you drop your team to 4th, harsh.

Raider, PNG won't be one of the 4 representing the district.  I believe Vidor took care of us last night.  But its ok, its late...I understand.  Best of luck to the Raiders....we'll see you at the new Rez!

LOL.yeah I realized that after I posted, should've removed it. For some reason as soon as I see the big N in your name my mind goes to the other side of mid-county........sorry. 

LOL, no problem! ;D