Update on the PN-G coaching situation

[PNG1992]

So ... what I'm hearing is that PNG isn't beating Ned as often as they think they should, so they need to get rid of a coach that's been there umpteen years.  Do you all truly believe that playoffs should be in your year every year?  Do you truly feel that you simply can't get through life without a completely dominant team? I think your coach and your kids work hard every year.  I think your turn will come again.  All this whining about PNG in years past and it's not that way now ... that's the past...and it may well be that way again, but this sense of entitlement has gotta go. 

ask Newton, WO-S or Nederland fans  if they expect to make the playoffs every year and see what the answer is. PNG not making the playoffs in 20-4A when 4 teams get in is unacceptable. Call it what you want but its a reality. 

[PNG1984]

MB is a good football coach with TALENT, I thought.....until this year.  The main problem is that we are not developing players for highschool when they are in the 7th grade.....and even pop warner.  Our 7th and 8th grade teams have nothing to do with the highschool programs, offensively, defensively, or on special teams.  They are not put into a system, taught that system for years to continually improve on so that it could flourish in the varsity ranks.

I hear of other coaches trying to implement schemes and play styles while kids are very young.  Some of these teams are reaping the benefits years down the road.....LUMBERTON. 

Identify 4 or 5 potential qb's in the 7th grade-Identify 6 or 8 rb's-identify 10 to 12 wr's, etc etc etc.  Identify your secondary, your o and d line, linebackers.  Entrench a style of play into their heads at the ages of 8-15.  By the time they reach 16 and become sophomores and juniors, they pick up blitzes (which we dont), blocking schemes (which we dont), special teams play (which we dont), and on and on.

The main problem is, throughout the year you would see certain flashes of GOOD come out of the Indians, and then everything would fall apart.  Blitzes would go untouched, running backs would get hit in the backfield (on a dive), opposing rb's and wr's go untouched (missed assignments), horrible special teams play.

I truly believe that PNG had the talent to beat any team that they faced this season.  Played Livingston close for a half, Lumberton, Vidor, Ozen. They would just fall apart.  I could literally tell you, not exxaggerating, 90% of the time, the play that was coming from our offense.  The other 10% that I could not guess were successful or near miss plays.

When a bag of chips go stale, you dont just keep eating them.....go buy a new bag.

it starts in the junior high program

[prepballfan]

I guess there is nothing new with coach MB's situation................................................

[KFDM COOP]

Not yet.

[prepballfan]

As always TY Coop

[KFDM COOP]

8)

[badndn]

I think he will return for the final year of his contract, but I am hearing that their will be a new OC. For what it's worth.

[prepballfan]

I will be behind him if he stays.

[badndn]

As I have said on this topic every time, if MB comes back and brings in an OC with some imagination and lets him do his thing, then I will be behind MB 100%, but if it stays the same another year?? I though it should have been done several years ago. Pretty sure Welch lost his job at Clear Lake or one of those Clear Lake area schools as OC before he came to PNG. Welch needs to be focusing his time on our O-Line exclusively. He was great with that group before he took on the OC job. And the O-line has suffered.

[player66]

So ... what I'm hearing is that PNG isn't beating Ned as often as they think they should, so they need to get rid of a coach that's been there umpteen years.  Do you all truly believe that playoffs should be in your year every year?  Do you truly feel that you simply can't get through life without a completely dominant team? I think your coach and your kids work hard every year.  I think your turn will come again.  All this whining about PNG in years past and it's not that way now ... that's the past...and it may well be that way again, but this sense of entitlement has gotta go. 

ask Newton, WO-S or Nederland fans  if they expect to make the playoffs every year and see what the answer is. PNG not making the playoffs in 20-4A when 4 teams get in is unacceptable. Call it what you want but its a reality. 

That's not my quote, I agree with you.

Someone from Lumberton posted that, I responded that Mid County teams expect to make the playoffs as they should.

[player66]

I know MB is a die hard Indian but if they offered him a reassignment he should tell them to stick it.

Whether anyone thinks he is a good head coach or not his overall record and background speaks for itself.

See, herein lies the problem. Those that don't follow the program don't really know what his overall record is. They just assume that it is great since it's PNG and they hear about them each season, but take a look at teh real numbers.

Overall 94-65 (0.591) with 6 playoff appearences.  Not bad, not great either. The 0.591 winning percentage ranks him 11th on the all time PNG list for coaches. Theres been 18 HC's at PNG. But what has happened lately.

Without the D. Long three years the record is:

64-58 (0.525)

In the past 9 years since the state title game run:

52-40 (0.565)

But that includes just three (3) winning seasons and three (3) playoff appearences (1 in the last four years).

The numbers speak for themselves. Not as GREAT as everyone thinks are they!

To put that into perspective, Neuman over that same period is:

119-52 (0.696) with 12 playoff appearences.

Matt is a great person and good coach, but if he can't see that he needs help on the offensive side of the ball then maybe he should be replaced. I would love to see him stay and focus on defense and hire an established, imaginative OC. Just don't have any reason to believe it will happen.

seems the numbers are different ???

Last ten years

1998 9-2 Bi-District

1999 14-2 State Finals

2000 5-5

2001 3-6

2002 5-5

2003 10-2 Area

2004 8-4 Area

2005 5-3

2006 5-5

2007 8-4 Regional

2008 3-6

Total 75-44  I was a little off on the losses, but is still a decent record for the past 10 years, not great, but decent. Notice how the years are bunched up for playoffs. Do you think that it might be the rotation of a mixture of players coming through and then a not so good crop of players. Just my honest opinion based on keeping up with HS football across the state for a long time.

So ... what I'm hearing is that PNG isn't beating Ned as often as they think they should, so they need to get rid of a coach that's been there umpteen years.  Do you all truly believe that playoffs should be in your year every year?  Do you truly feel that you simply can't get through life without a completely dominant team? I think your coach and your kids work hard every year.  I think your turn will come again.  All this whining about PNG in years past and it's not that way now ... that's the past...and it may well be that way again, but this sense of entitlement has gotta go. 

[Guest rykerx144]

I know MB is a die hard Indian but if they offered him a reassignment he should tell them to stick it.

Whether anyone thinks he is a good head coach or not his overall record and background speaks for itself.

See, herein lies the problem. Those that don't follow the program don't really know what his overall record is. They just assume that it is great since it's PNG and they hear about them each season, but take a look at teh real numbers.

Overall 94-65 (0.591) with 6 playoff appearences.  Not bad, not great either. The 0.591 winning percentage ranks him 11th on the all time PNG list for coaches. Theres been 18 HC's at PNG. But what has happened lately.

Without the D. Long three years the record is:

64-58 (0.525)

In the past 9 years since the state title game run:

52-40 (0.565)

But that includes just three (3) winning seasons and three (3) playoff appearences (1 in the last four years).

The numbers speak for themselves. Not as GREAT as everyone thinks are they!

To put that into perspective, Neuman over that same period is:

119-52 (0.696) with 12 playoff appearences.

Matt is a great person and good coach, but if he can't see that he needs help on the offensive side of the ball then maybe he should be replaced. I would love to see him stay and focus on defense and hire an established, imaginative OC. Just don't have any reason to believe it will happen.

seems the numbers are different ???

Last ten years

1998 9-2 Bi-District

1999 14-2 State Finals

2000 5-5

2001 3-6

2002 5-5

2003 10-2 Area

2004 8-4 Area

2005 5-3

2006 5-5

2007 8-4 Regional

2008 3-6

Total 75-44  I was a little off on the losses, but is still a decent record for the past 10 years, not great, but decent. Notice how the years are bunched up for playoffs. Do you think that it might be the rotation of a mixture of players coming through and then a not so good crop of players. Just my honest opinion based on keeping up with HS football across the state for a long time.

So ... what I'm hearing is that PNG isn't beating Ned as often as they think they should, so they need to get rid of a coach that's been there umpteen years.  Do you all truly believe that playoffs should be in your year every year?  Do you truly feel that you simply can't get through life without a completely dominant team? I think your coach and your kids work hard every year.  I think your turn will come again.  All this whining about PNG in years past and it's not that way now ... that's the past...and it may well be that way again, but this sense of entitlement has gotta go. 

my question is how many of the stats above can be attributed to his coaching staff that is no longer in place and not necessarily MB. 

[NewIndian]

MB is a good football coach with TALENT, I thought.....until this year.  The main problem is that we are not developing players for highschool when they are in the 7th grade.....and even pop warner.  Our 7th and 8th grade teams have nothing to do with the highschool programs, offensively, defensively, or on special teams.  They are not put into a system, taught that system for years to continually improve on so that it could flourish in the varsity ranks.

I hear of other coaches trying to implement schemes and play styles while kids are very young.  Some of these teams are reaping the benefits years down the road.....LUMBERTON. 

Identify 4 or 5 potential qb's in the 7th grade-Identify 6 or 8 rb's-identify 10 to 12 wr's, etc etc etc.  Identify your secondary, your o and d line, linebackers.  Entrench a style of play into their heads at the ages of 8-15.  By the time they reach 16 and become sophomores and juniors, they pick up blitzes (which we dont), blocking schemes (which we dont), special teams play (which we dont), and on and on.

The main problem is, throughout the year you would see certain flashes of GOOD come out of the Indians, and then everything would fall apart.  Blitzes would go untouched, running backs would get hit in the backfield (on a dive), opposing rb's and wr's go untouched (missed assignments), horrible special teams play.

I truly believe that PNG had the talent to beat any team that they faced this season.  Played Livingston close for a half, Lumberton, Vidor, Ozen. They would just fall apart.  I could literally tell you, not exxaggerating, 90% of the time, the play that was coming from our offense.  The other 10% that I could not guess were successful or near miss plays.

When a bag of chips go stale, you dont just keep eating them.....go buy a new bag.

We dont have pop warner and yes it is being taught the first 1/2 of our practice is with the O-line blocking left, blocking right, open door, closed door etc...  some of these kids will be coming into the 7th grade soon but if we dont have anyone to refine these skills that they are being taught they will lose them. Go to the STJFL website look at how often PNG teams make the playoffs better yet come out to a game  esp... the PNG Jr White team

[Guest Indian Chief]

Has anyone heard anything new?

[adminbaberuth]

Has anyone heard anything new?

Last I heard you had him at Lamar.

[Guest Penny]

Heard he had to get his masters first?  These boards are awesome, the information is priceless.

[Guest Indian Chief]

Has anyone heard anything new?

Last I heard you had him at Lamar.

People say all kind of rumors, haven't heard a word in a few days around here.

[PNG Proud]

Heard he had to get his masters first?  These boards are awesome, the information is priceless.

Penny,  I never knew you to use such sarcasm...i love it.  And how true!