coachtroy8 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Coach Nuemann is the reason for not releasing the list. There will be unrest in Nederland when this gets out.
tigers88 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Once again, as an employee than works on the taxpayer dollar, I think the public has a right to know Since the taxpayers are bailing out everyone in this economy, do I need to know Philpott's applicant list for their next General Manager or my local bank's president salary. Since the media is even asking for bailout funds, should we file an FOI to uncle larry at kfdm for his applicant list for his sports department. You're missing the point. No argument here, just discussion. I totally understand about not knowing how to run an athletic program but whether you wish to know who is in charge of the kids or not, you still have the unalienable right to know. You have at your fingertips the power to know if a teacher is arrested for whatever. Say, God forbid, shoplifting or whatever. Would you feel comfortable having that person in the classroom? As a society we hold teachers, police,doctors, and clergy to a higher standard than any other profession. Same with elected officials. We have that right to know.Of course I do know the Board will weed out those undesirable characters. We have all heard of the Six Degrees of Seperation so somebody in that community knows somebody else in a community where one of the applicants is from. There may be some unwanted baggage that is fixed to one of the applicants. Some of that baggage doesn't go on a resume or shows up in an interview i.e being a hothead or not a motivator, etc. That's where the citizen's voice should be heard. I applaud LCM for doing what they are doing....it's good on two fronts. First, if the AD doesn't work out then the Board can say that they listened to the community so don't blame us and secondly, if your input is solicited then a bigger sense of ownership is instilled to the people of the community.  All I am saying is this, if you exercise that right or not is your perogative. I would like to exercise it because it is my right and I choose to do so. I don't want somebody else speaking for me when it comes to what has been endowed on me by the founders of this country. As for the comment about somebody showing up at my job and telling me how to do it,that's just comparing apples to oranges. Every high school coach is second guessed in the stands. You've heard it plenty of times. People can openly criticize because it is their right and they can do so without fear because they pay their taxes. As far as media bashing goes, everybody has to blame somebody so I guess Uncle Larry is an easy target because everybody has seen or heard him. I don't buy into the whole "media this " or "media that". I've seen plenty of stories blown WAY out of proportion but trust me, this area is tame compared to that big city 80 miles west on I 10. Finally, admin, I couldn't be more happier with our AD , too! We're neighbors.
tigers88 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Once again, as an employee than works on the taxpayer dollar, I think the public has a right to know Since the taxpayers are bailing out everyone in this economy, do I need to know Philpott's applicant list for their next General Manager or my local bank's president salary. Since the media is even asking for bailout funds, should we file an FOI to uncle larry at kfdm for his applicant list for his sports department. If the government bails out the media outlets then you certainly have that right to ask for one. If its a privately held corporation, as all the networks and media companies are, then , no, you do not have that right to ask for a FOI.......FREEDOM of information.
rmac Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I have read this discussion with interest. The amazing thing is the vast majority of people could care less who the coach is at any school. I am sure the sponsors of the bill that made FOI law were not even thinking of sports or schools. The bill was intended to stop gov. officals from taking money under the table to award contracts.
KDOSullivan Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I have read this discussion with interest. The amazing thing is the vast majority of people could care less who the coach is at any school. I am sure the sponsors of the bill that made FOI law were not even thinking of sports or schools. The bill was intended to stop gov. officals from taking money under the table to award contracts. It also was to keep crooks from going into the government business to start, and yes, schools where in their thinking when the law was written. I think you would be surprised at the people who care. It is probably more than you think. You can rest assure at the barber shops, the break rooms at work, the coffee shops it is a topic of conversation. Heck, I have been in Sunday School classes in which the main topic was the football program, not Paul's letter to Galatia that Sunday...
tigers88 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I have read this discussion with interest. The amazing thing is the vast majority of people could care less who the coach is at any school. I am sure the sponsors of the bill that made FOI law were not even thinking of sports or schools. The bill was intended to stop gov. officals from taking money under the table to award contracts. The law was written for the expressed purpose of "keeping what is behind closed doors, remains behind closed doors' out of government. There is a loop hole called "executive session" that must be followed as per Robert's Rules Of Parliamentary Procedure. The law was written and passed as a tag-along to the "Open Meetings Act". I'm positive financial gain was a motivating factor for the original author of the bill but it includes "any and all public information that is deemed of interest by the citizens". This is definitely 'of interest'.
smitty Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 No the same thing. Stay focused. Once again, as an employee than works on the taxpayer dollar, I think the public has a right to know Since the taxpayers are bailing out everyone in this economy, do I need to know Philpott's applicant list for their next General Manager or my local bank's president salary. Since the media is even asking for bailout funds, should we file an FOI to uncle larry at kfdm for his applicant list for his sports department.
smitty Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Not as much as you think. Coach Nuemann is the reason for not releasing the list. There will be unrest in Nederland when this gets out.
Guest Nederland Bulldogs Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 One of our Assistants applied.
adminbaberuth Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 One of our Assistants applied. i know you're not from nederland, so what school is this assistant from?
Guest Nederland Bulldogs Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 UH yes i live in Nederland.
OldNedDog Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I'm with you admin, I would be surprised if there is a Nederland coach that applied.
pngfan1 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 What's funny is it takes a minimum of 45 days for the AG to give an official opinion, which that time they will have already hired.... Guess what...Even if I get the list next year, it will be released. No disrespect Coop, but what would be the point? I agree, what would that accomplish?
tigers88 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I'm with you admin, I would be surprised if there is a Nederland coach that applied. There is definitely a Nederland assistant that applied. We can't blame a man who wants to advance his career with an AD title.
adminbaberuth Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I'm with you admin, I would be surprised if there is a Nederland coach that applied. There is definitely a Nederland assistant that applied. We can't blame a man who wants to advance his career with an AD title. i've never said that a nederland coach hasn't applied, i was disputing the "nederland bulldogs" username
tigers88 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I'm with you admin, I would be surprised if there is a Nederland coach that applied. There is definitely a Nederland assistant that applied. We can't blame a man who wants to advance his career with an AD title. i've never said that a nederland coach hasn't applied, i was disputing the "nederland bulldogs" username point taken! I am in total agreement. This definitely has been an interesting thread. Thank God for intelligent people and mature debate. Now, when is the first home game?
AggiesAreWe Posted January 17, 2009 Author Report Posted January 17, 2009 I'm with you admin, I would be surprised if there is a Nederland coach that applied. There is definitely a Nederland assistant that applied. We can't blame a man who wants to advance his career with an AD title. i've never said that a nederland coach hasn't applied, i was disputing the "nederland bulldogs" username Admin, I believe you and I are on the same page here. I guess will have to start calling him Syble. ;D
png_ndn_fan Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 What's funny is it takes a minimum of 45 days for the AG to give an official opinion, which that time they will have already hired.... Guess what...Even if I get the list next year, it will be released. No disrespect Coop, but what would be the point? I agree, what would that accomplish? It would allow constituents to form opinions of the quality of the hire. For example, if a hired coach is one that, in a reasonable opinion, would have been judged inferior to several other names on the list, the constituents would be able to say "hmmmmmmmm" and take that into account in the voting booth in the next election.Â
NDNWarrior Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 What's funny is it takes a minimum of 45 days for the AG to give an official opinion, which that time they will have already hired.... Guess what...Even if I get the list next year, it will be released. No disrespect Coop, but what would be the point? I agree, what would that accomplish? It would allow constituents to form opinions of the quality of the hire. For example, if a hired coach is one that, in a reasonable opinion, would have been judged inferior to several other names on the list, the constituents would be able to say "hmmmmmmmm" and take that into account in the voting booth in the next election. Voters can and will form their opinions after the coach is hire in respect to voting. The list will serve no purpose in this respect.
The Young Coach Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Please check your personal message!
steele curtain Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I keep seeing phrases like " I don't have a dog in this hunt" throughout this thread. I don't get it. What we are talking about is the freedom of information act. Right?? How that is interpreted by something as important to us all as a school district, has an impact on all of us whether we are from PNG or not. Having said that. I don't understand what would be accomplished by publishing the list. Do we really believe that we the fans would have any say about who the school hires? The worst we could do would be to not vote for the board members next election and that would be a little to late.
OldNedDog Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 I'm with you admin, I would be surprised if there is a Nederland coach that applied. There is definitely a Nederland assistant that applied. We can't blame a man who wants to advance his career with an AD title. i've never said that a nederland coach hasn't applied, i was disputing the "nederland bulldogs" username I need to restate: It would be a surprise to me if any Nederland graduates who are now on Nederland's coaching staff applied. Great if they did, great if they didn't. IMO it would be very hard to switch to the purple and white. JMO
purpleeagle Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 THE SCHOOL BOARD IS RUNNING THIS SHOW, NOT YOU PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET. GET USE TO IT. THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME. THERE IS REASONS WHY THEY DO WHAT THEY DO. THE PEOPLE ELECTED THEM TO DO THE JOB SO LET THEM DO IT. IF YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEXT PNG COACH I WILL DISCLOSE THIS; ALL THE APPLICANTS WERE MEN.
KFDM COOP Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 From Beaumont Enterprise Under Section 552.304(a) of the Texas Public Information Act, PN-G ISD should be required to release this information. But they're stalling. So we ask you, gentle readers, to get involved. Any letter you send does not need to be elaborate or detailed. The AG is clear on the law; the issues worth underscoring here are the high level of interest in the information and the accountability of an elected body. If you don't, these school boards will just continue to snow the general public -- using your tax dollars to do whatever they want. Sound familiar? Just remember, citizen journalists: if you submit a comment, please copy the school district (the contact info is on the above letter), as required by 552.304(. Give 'em hell. They deserve it.
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