Nederland Bond

[smitty]

Rusted, I'm disappointed in you.  Agreeing with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue with what he's talking about is rather silly.  And above that, it hurts your argument.

You are not totally anonymous on the internet and if the legal folks want to find you, they can that's all I am saying.

Yep. dawgnut is right. If someone wanted to go through it all, legal could ask SETXsports for smitty's IP address. Or any of our IP addresses for that matter if they thought we were libeling someone for instance. Just because you post anonymously, does not mean you are totally anonymous.

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[smitty]

dawgnuts, I'll ask you again:  Can you deny anything I've said that you've taken issue with?  You've made quite a few statements, but you've still yet to deny what I've said is wrong.  Or do you just like to play lawyer?  ;D

Not a threat at all, anything you say on any board can be taken in multiple ways and some ways you may not think about. smitty has made accusations about the leadership in the Nederland School System. If he can't back it up and someone takes exception to the accusations he may find a person knocking on his door some day with legal papers. I am not making any kind of threat, just a statement of what can happen when things get out of control. People have been terminated because of the things they wrote on the internet. You are not totally anonymous on the internet and if the legal folks want to find you, they can that's all I am saying.

[Bigdog]

So smitty, what district do you live in?

[Bigdog]

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[mat]

So smitty, what district do you live in?

He won't answer

[ems2430]

No matter what entity you are talking about, be it your business,community, home, or schools, you must invest in their future.  Failure to do so will result in deterioration of those entities.  Folks, the bill will always come due, whether you want it to or not.  If you wait too long, you may like the cost even less than you did when you could have taken care of it in the beginning.  Don't be short sighted here and look to make costly repairs to facilities that are nearing the end of their useful lives and suffer from overcrowding in many instances.  This is where wasteful spending exists; continuing to patch things over and over again and not addressing long term needs.

[smitty]

Come on guys/gals, you haven't figured it out yet?  Geez!  ???

So smitty, what district do you live in?

He won't answer

[smitty]

More has been learned:  This bond issue is only "Phase One!"  120 million dollars is not enough.  Sometime in the near future they will come back and ask for more tax dollars.  I don't hear this being talked about from the pro-bonders.  I read Bledsoe's (district employee) propaganda piece in the PA News today.  He didn't mention "Phase 2" either.  Or anything that I previously mentioned. 

Well, I'm not sure if what I've said here is scandulous or libelist.  Maybe some of the wanna-be lawyers here can advise.  ;D  ;D

Updated info from Super's Bond talk for April 9-

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[Bucof2010]

LCM???

[smitty]

Doesn't look like he's going to answer. 

dawgnuts, I'll ask you again:  Can you deny anything I've said that you've taken issue with?  You've made quite a few statements, but you've still yet to deny what I've said is wrong.  Or do you just like to play lawyer?   ;D

Not a threat at all, anything you say on any board can be taken in multiple ways and some ways you may not think about. smitty has made accusations about the leadership in the Nederland School System. If he can't back it up and someone takes exception to the accusations he may find a person knocking on his door some day with legal papers. I am not making any kind of threat, just a statement of what can happen when things get out of control. People have been terminated because of the things they wrote on the internet. You are not totally anonymous on the internet and if the legal folks want to find you, they can that's all I am saying.

[mat]

Come on guys/gals, you haven't figured it out yet?  Geez!  ???

So smitty, what district do you live in?

He won't answer

[/q

You've challenged many on this board and their motives and credability but you refuse to answer the one single question directed at you.

It appears that you are just having fun with this and its sad that you continue to try to break down Nederland's educational progress when you don't even have a dog in the hunt.

[smitty]

Ripping off the taxpayers equals educational progress?  Who has been feeding you this false line of info.  Washington, DC has the largest per student outlay and some of the worst performing school system.  So, wrong again by the pro-bonders talking points.  No wonder a socialist like obama got elected.  Some people will believe anything.  With this way of thinking, if this fails, then you are telling the parents, well we can't go on any longer as a viable school district.  How absurd!

By the way, since no one can figure it out, I do have a dog in the hunt.  You think I would care about somebody else getting ripped off foolishly?  If I was, I would be laughing at THEIR stupidity.

So, now, lets' get back to facts.  How many actually know that this is just round one of the tax increases?  It was stated that this bond issue is just "Phase 1."  Disagree?  Agree?

Come on guys/gals, you haven't figured it out yet?  Geez!  ???

So smitty, what district do you live in?

He won't answer

[/q

You've challenged many on this board and their motives and credability but you refuse to answer the one single question directed at you.

It appears that you are just having fun with this and its sad that you continue to try to break down Nederland's educational progress when you don't even have a dog in the hunt.

[Bigdog]

Yes, I know that this is phase 1  .  Phase 2 will replace the high school and stadium, and maybe build another elementary.

Smitty is prob from PNG, and doesn't want Ned to have a nicer stadium than them.  Kinda obvious isn't it?

[smitty]

Did you read the previous post?  I, like you, are one of the ones that is going to get soaked with these two massive tax increases.  So, your second statement is wrong.  So, you could be wrong in the support of this bond issue.  It also sounds like you are wanting a new stadium just because PN-G's got one.  Not a good way to set policy. 

Also, in your first statement, you pro-bonders act like money grows on trees.  Again, no wonder obama was elected.  People can be easily led.  Hence, the kool-aid reference in many post.

Yes, I know that this is phase 1  .  Phase 2 will replace the high school and stadium, and maybe build another elementary.

Smitty is prob from PNG, and doesn't want Ned to have a nicer stadium than them.  Kinda obvious isn't it?

[mat]

Thanks for finally clearing up your status. You should have done it long ago.

It seems to me your biggest opposition is the tax increase and as I and others have stated, that is a legitimate stance. JMO

No one, as you claim, has ever said that life can not go on with out a bond. They only claim that it is needed.

[smitty]

What you say makes sense.  But, you must admit there are some that makes it sound as Nederland ISD is doomed if this is not passed.  Life will go on when/if it fails.  It's the typical scare tactics.  Which NEVER works on me.  I try to stay with the facts that are available at the time.  If the info is wrong, then one has to change with the undated info. 

If this passes, we will be a hair under the state cap as for as tax rates.   I'm ashamed we are even close to it.  But if some keep chanting the mantra "do it for the kids," then the rose color glasses that they are looking through will never change hue.

I could possibly support 1/4 of the issue and make the needed repairs.  But, as of now, this is not an option. 

Thanks for finally clearing up your status. You should have done it long ago.

It seems to me your biggest opposition is the tax increase and as I and others have stated, that is a legitimate stance. JMO

No one, as you claim, has ever said that life can not go on with out a bond. They only claim that it is needed.

[The Goat]

WOW! This is made for T.V.

[smitty]

Stay tuned.  I'm sure there will be more!    ;D  ;D

WOW! This is made for T.V.

[RustedCutlass]

Rusted, I'm disappointed in you.  Agreeing with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue with what he's talking about is rather silly.  And above that, it hurts your argument.

You are not totally anonymous on the internet and if the legal folks want to find you, they can that's all I am saying.

Yep. dawgnut is right. If someone wanted to go through it all, legal could ask SETXsports for smitty's IP address. Or any of our IP addresses for that matter if they thought we were libeling someone for instance. Just because you post anonymously, does not mean you are totally anonymous.

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Aw, Smitty. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did you not read the link? Since you poted what you did, I guess you didn't even bother to skim the article. And you are the informed one?  :D

I was agreeing that what dawgnut said IS correct -- if someone wants to find out who you are, who I am, etc... they can. But of course you didn't read the link and just spouted off without anything to back up what you say.

You never did get back to me on the rise of prices due to inflation several pages ago. I take then that you agree a bond will cost more for the taxpayers when the economy picks back up. And yet you still think they should wait...

Amazing.

[smitty]

I don't agree that we ever need a bond this large.  So inflation or not is irrelevant. 

Rusted, I'm disappointed in you.  Agreeing with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue with what he's talking about is rather silly.  And above that, it hurts your argument.

You are not totally anonymous on the internet and if the legal folks want to find you, they can that's all I am saying.

Yep. dawgnut is right. If someone wanted to go through it all, legal could ask SETXsports for smitty's IP address. Or any of our IP addresses for that matter if they thought we were libeling someone for instance. Just because you post anonymously, does not mean you are totally anonymous.

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Aw, Smitty. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did you not read the link? Since you poted what you did, I guess you didn't even bother to skim the article. And you are the informed one?  :D

I was agreeing that what dawgnut said IS correct -- if someone wants to find out who you are, who I am, etc... they can. But of course you didn't read the link and just spouted off without anything to back up what you say.

You never did get back to me on the rise of prices due to inflation several pages ago. I take then that you agree a bond will cost more for the taxpayers when the economy picks back up. And yet you still think they should wait...

Amazing.

[PNGFan]

I don't agree that we ever need a bond this large.  So inflation or not is irrelevant. 

Rusted, I'm disappointed in you.  Agreeing with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue with what he's talking about is rather silly.  And above that, it hurts your argument.

You are not totally anonymous on the internet and if the legal folks want to find you, they can that's all I am saying.

Yep. dawgnut is right. If someone wanted to go through it all, legal could ask SETXsports for smitty's IP address. Or any of our IP addresses for that matter if they thought we were libeling someone for instance. Just because you post anonymously, does not mean you are totally anonymous.

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Aw, Smitty. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did you not read the link? Since you poted what you did, I guess you didn't even bother to skim the article. And you are the informed one?  :D

I was agreeing that what dawgnut said IS correct -- if someone wants to find out who you are, who I am, etc... they can. But of course you didn't read the link and just spouted off without anything to back up what you say.

You never did get back to me on the rise of prices due to inflation several pages ago. I take then that you agree a bond will cost more for the taxpayers when the economy picks back up. And yet you still think they should wait...

Amazing.

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[dawgnut]

Come on smitty, I have been denying just about everything you have been saying! You use just a little of the truth and twist it to your advantage. I have a question for you, what's the solution to our problem? You want to blame all of our problems on the Administration, but what you don't propose is a solution. Our schools will not get fixed pointing the finger at people they will only get fixed with solid solutions. Do you have a solution, or are you just part of the problem? You say we don't need a bond, OK fix our schools without one, enlighten me, show me how to do it, don't just talk trash give me some solid practical ways that we can bring our schools up to where they should be without raising taxes!

by the way, I am not a lawyer that's why I hire good ones! Never get advice from someone who knows less than you do, find an expert it will cost you less in the long run!

dawgnuts, I'll ask you again:  Can you deny anything I've said that you've taken issue with?  You've made quite a few statements, but you've still yet to deny what I've said is wrong.  Or do you just like to play lawyer?   ;D

Not a threat at all, anything you say on any board can be taken in multiple ways and some ways you may not think about. smitty has made accusations about the leadership in the Nederland School System. If he can't back it up and someone takes exception to the accusations he may find a person knocking on his door some day with legal papers. I am not making any kind of threat, just a statement of what can happen when things get out of control. People have been terminated because of the things they wrote on the internet. You are not totally anonymous on the internet and if the legal folks want to find you, they can that's all I am saying.

[mat]

I don't agree that we ever need a bond this large.  So inflation or not is irrelevant. 

Rusted, I'm disappointed in you.  Agreeing with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue with what he's talking about is rather silly.  And above that, it hurts your argument.

You are not totally anonymous on the internet and if the legal folks want to find you, they can that's all I am saying.

Yep. dawgnut is right. If someone wanted to go through it all, legal could ask SETXsports for smitty's IP address. Or any of our IP addresses for that matter if they thought we were libeling someone for instance. Just because you post anonymously, does not mean you are totally anonymous.

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Aw, Smitty. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Did you not read the link? Since you poted what you did, I guess you didn't even bother to skim the article. And you are the informed one?  :D

I was agreeing that what dawgnut said IS correct -- if someone wants to find out who you are, who I am, etc... they can. But of course you didn't read the link and just spouted off without anything to back up what you say.

You never did get back to me on the rise of prices due to inflation several pages ago. I take then that you agree a bond will cost more for the taxpayers when the economy picks back up. And yet you still think they should wait...

Amazing.

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[ag00]

More news coming out concerning the bond issue.  We now know that the bond committee was way over loaded with pro-bonders.  Out of 34, 23 are either employed by the district or on the school board.  At least 3 others are paid to provide services to the district.  Real community representation, as promised!

Information (public records) was requested from the superintendent.  Ten days after the request, the school responded and was told it would be another 3 weeks and had to pay around $375.  And these responses were by the district lawyer.  That in itself should raise a few questions.  Trying to stall also raises a few questions.  All the district had to do was copy 78 pages.  There is a law that specifically states how much it should cost.  The cost should have been -- now get this -- $37.80!  It's so bad that now the Texas Attorney Generals office had to get involved.

Now to the one consulting firm that some do not seem to have a problem with.  I understand that the firm, LANWalton, also was involved in the PN-G bond issue.  Keeping up with the Jones'?  Well, anyway, it is also my understanding that they get a percentage of the bond passed.  So, the more the bond issue is, the more they get.  It could be real possible that the taxpayers could get a real reaming from something like this.  Pro-bonders -- you with me so far?  Let's keep going.

It was reported that in the late 90's, Gulf Coast Electric did extensive upgrades to the electrical systems.  It has been also stated that there is plenty of power there to do what Nederland needs to do.  Amazing!

So, pro-bonders, as I thought all along, this stinks to high heaven.  Whenever the kool-aid drinkers can only regurgitate the talking point, "do it for the kids", then I knew there was more to the story.  And boy was I right.  I'm sure there is more to come.

PS, One local newspaper requested comment on an article concerning the bond issue from the superintendent.  But, the reporter said they were instructed to submit questions in writing in advance.  The request was presented and a reply was made.  But not by the superintendent.  No!  A response was from the school board president.  And this response was, and in the words of the newspaper, "It failed to address all of the questions the newspaper posed, and appeared to CONFLICT (emphasis added) with the newspaper's independent findings."  So, pro-bonders, I think once the stink permeates the town with openness, it'll go down in a blaze of glory. 

Bondcrusher I suggest you just go out and vote on election day.  Your whining and complaining will not change anyones opinion on this board.  If you don't like the way Nederland does things I hear they are building lots of housing in PA... maybe you could move there.   :

Sounds like someone took a page from the Paul Dorr playbook.  Google "Copperhead Consulting Paul Dorr" and see what is at work to divide and destroy Nederland.  These claims of NISD Admin stalling are pure political techniques...tried over and over again.  People of Nederland need to get one thing straight, CARE is being pupeteered by a man that wants to tear down the public education system!  He comes to a district to create chaos, misstrust and hatred among the community and leaves.  In fact, you might be well served to ask to see the names of the people actively working to kill the school progress in Nederland by funding the CARE organization.  Just as I would encourage you to look for the facts in this Bond, I would encourage you to look at the strategies that we can expect.  Below is an excerpt from just one of those easy Google searches.  Sound familiar...?  So, when you get the postcards a day or two ahead of the vote, hear the radio ads, see "ghost author" letters to the editor, have another attack on the administration...and so on, remember that the person running the show has personally advocated home schooling and the dissolution of the public education system.  See through this mess and support the Bond. 

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Dorr, an anti-abortion activist from Ocheyedan, Iowa, is well known in levy campaign circles. He has vowed to end public education using any means necessary. He claims to have organized the defeat of more than 20 levy elections in Iowa, South Dakota and Minnesota, including recent campaigns in the Lyle, Orono, Blooming Prairie and Howard Lake-Waverly districts. His smear campaigns include twisted facts and innuendo. When he leaves town, he leaves underfunded schools and a divided and bruised community.

Dorr has a pattern to his campaigns. He is hired by a local voter, drawing a fee of between $5,000 and $15,000, which is well below what he spends on the campaign.

He arrives about four weeks before Election Day. Dorr’s first move is to tie up the school administration by asking for many hard-to-find public documents, including contracts with employees, architects, financial advisors and administrators. He also requests current and past budgets, budget projections, enrollment data and information about facilities, among other documents.

He then publishes a newsletter in which he twists facts about the district and takes information out of context. This is mailed to every voter in the district, usually about four days before Election Day so inexperienced pro-levy campaign volunteers can’t respond.

He also employs a smear campaign. He will imply that district officials accepted bribes. He will question whether school employees are involved in the campaign. He will hire questionable experts to challenge pro-levy data. He once famously accused an Iowa judge of bestiality.

He will air television ads featuring his children while implying they are district students.

He will join public meetings promoted by the local “vote no†organization in which he will hide misinformation by starting a statement with “I’m not saying this is happening here, but …â€

He will question every absentee ballot and question election judges’ relationship with school officials.

Those who have undergone a Dorr campaign say his ugliest tactic is to polarize the district. His disinformation campaign inflames those who already distrust schools, making the vote not about the levy but about schools themselves. After a Dorr campaign, divisions that existed in the community before the election widen, leaving resentment and raw emotions. In most communities, these feelings are slow to heal.

[dme1111]

More news coming out concerning the bond issue.  We now know that the bond committee was way over loaded with pro-bonders.  Out of 34, 23 are either employed by the district or on the school board.  At least 3 others are paid to provide services to the district.  Real community representation, as promised!

Information (public records) was requested from the superintendent.  Ten days after the request, the school responded and was told it would be another 3 weeks and had to pay around $375.  And these responses were by the district lawyer.  That in itself should raise a few questions.  Trying to stall also raises a few questions.  All the district had to do was copy 78 pages.  There is a law that specifically states how much it should cost.  The cost should have been -- now get this -- $37.80!  It's so bad that now the Texas Attorney Generals office had to get involved.

Now to the one consulting firm that some do not seem to have a problem with.  I understand that the firm, LANWalton, also was involved in the PN-G bond issue.  Keeping up with the Jones'?  Well, anyway, it is also my understanding that they get a percentage of the bond passed.  So, the more the bond issue is, the more they get.  It could be real possible that the taxpayers could get a real reaming from something like this.  Pro-bonders -- you with me so far?  Let's keep going.

It was reported that in the late 90's, Gulf Coast Electric did extensive upgrades to the electrical systems.  It has been also stated that there is plenty of power there to do what Nederland needs to do.  Amazing!

So, pro-bonders, as I thought all along, this stinks to high heaven.  Whenever the kool-aid drinkers can only regurgitate the talking point, "do it for the kids", then I knew there was more to the story.  And boy was I right.  I'm sure there is more to come.

PS, One local newspaper requested comment on an article concerning the bond issue from the superintendent.  But, the reporter said they were instructed to submit questions in writing in advance.  The request was presented and a reply was made.  But not by the superintendent.  No!  A response was from the school board president.  And this response was, and in the words of the newspaper, "It failed to address all of the questions the newspaper posed, and appeared to CONFLICT (emphasis added) with the newspaper's independent findings."  So, pro-bonders, I think once the stink permeates the town with openness, it'll go down in a blaze of glory. 

Bondcrusher I suggest you just go out and vote on election day.  Your whining and complaining will not change anyones opinion on this board.  If you don't like the way Nederland does things I hear they are building lots of housing in PA... maybe you could move there.   :

Sounds like someone took a page from the Paul Dorr playbook.  Google "Copperhead Consulting Paul Dorr" and see what is at work to divide and destroy Nederland.  These claims of NISD Admin stalling are pure political techniques...tried over and over again.  People of Nederland need to get one thing straight, CARE is being pupeteered by a man that wants to tear down the public education system!  He comes to a district to create chaos, misstrust and hatred among the community and leaves.  In fact, you might be well served to ask to see the names of the people actively working to kill the school progress in Nederland by funding the CARE organization.  Just as I would encourage you to look for the facts in this Bond, I would encourage you to look at the strategies that we can expect.  Below is an excerpt from just one of those easy Google searches.  Sound familiar...?  So, when you get the postcards a day or two ahead of the vote, hear the radio ads, see "ghost author" letters to the editor, have another attack on the administration...and so on, remember that the person running the show has personally advocated home schooling and the dissolution of the public education system.  See through this mess and support the Bond. 

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Dorr, an anti-abortion activist from Ocheyedan, Iowa, is well known in levy campaign circles. He has vowed to end public education using any means necessary. He claims to have organized the defeat of more than 20 levy elections in Iowa, South Dakota and Minnesota, including recent campaigns in the Lyle, Orono, Blooming Prairie and Howard Lake-Waverly districts. His smear campaigns include twisted facts and innuendo. When he leaves town, he leaves underfunded schools and a divided and bruised community.

Dorr has a pattern to his campaigns. He is hired by a local voter, drawing a fee of between $5,000 and $15,000, which is well below what he spends on the campaign.

He arrives about four weeks before Election Day. Dorr’s first move is to tie up the school administration by asking for many hard-to-find public documents, including contracts with employees, architects, financial advisors and administrators. He also requests current and past budgets, budget projections, enrollment data and information about facilities, among other documents.

He then publishes a newsletter in which he twists facts about the district and takes information out of context. This is mailed to every voter in the district, usually about four days before Election Day so inexperienced pro-levy campaign volunteers can’t respond.

He also employs a smear campaign. He will imply that district officials accepted bribes. He will question whether school employees are involved in the campaign. He will hire questionable experts to challenge pro-levy data. He once famously accused an Iowa judge of bestiality.

He will air television ads featuring his children while implying they are district students.

He will join public meetings promoted by the local “vote no†organization in which he will hide misinformation by starting a statement with “I’m not saying this is happening here, but …â€

He will question every absentee ballot and question election judges’ relationship with school officials.

Those who have undergone a Dorr campaign say his ugliest tactic is to polarize the district. His disinformation campaign inflames those who already distrust schools, making the vote not about the levy but about schools themselves. After a Dorr campaign, divisions that existed in the community before the election widen, leaving resentment and raw emotions. In most communities, these feelings are slow to heal.

Not following you at all... Maybe I'm just ignorant but what does Dorr have to do with Nederland?