LC-M Athlete Tased After Altercation...Video

[nikespeed]

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I agree the kid overreacted due to egging from the other students but seriously he was walking away no fight had even occured. ............................................. and i fully believe the cop was in the wrong here, so go ahead and tell me how wrong you think i am. But until you see the video tape you have no right

I have no clue what happened so I won't comment on the incident but will about laws and situations.

You say there was no fight but I don't see where that matters. The officer has the right to stop and detain someone involved in a disturbance or that may have been involved in a fight. With that right the officer can investigate what happened. Maybe nothing happened but that does not stop a police officer from lawfully investigating it assuming that he had enough information that a fight or other crime "may" have been committed or in other words, reasonable suspicion.

When an officer has the right of detention, it is not voluntary. In fact, walking away from an officer that has attempted to lawfully detain you can be the criminal offense of Evading Detention if the person is trying to keep the officer from stopping him. The officer can then lawfully use force if necessary. An officer grabbing onto a person that is walking from a lawful detention is probably going to be ruled as justified force.

The officer may have been rude or maybe the officer could have had more tact but that doesn't make what the officer did improper or illegal (assuming that is what happened). If an officer attempts a lawful detention by grabbing a person, that gives no right for the person to strike the officer. A person might not like being grabbed but the person should not be walking away "if" the officer told the person to stop or tried to detain him.

Did any of that happen? I have no idea. Just commenting on some aspects of the laws and what officers can lawfully do. When I see people commenting that the officer "had no right", I am wondering if they know what they are talking about.

Very good post. Having a brother in law and several close friends that are officers I have talked to them and thay all confirm this if an officer tells you to stop and you don't then you have already commoted a criminal offense. When the student hit the officer he commited a felony and this will stay with him for the rest of his life.

yes i agree, but the thing is, is that the cop never told him to stop. There were no words exchanged between them before the cop grabbed him. I can understand doing your job but grabbing a student by the throat is unacceptable. Esspecially since at this point he was not trying to fight anyone and there was not a single baseball player around. I can understand if he tried to talk to him first, but there was no talking

[Bigdog]

This thread is hearsay at best.  If you don't know what that is look it up. It usually is not allowed in court, and it not helping anything here.  Lets wait and see what is determined by the LCM admin.  I will lock this thread if it continues.

[stang4life]

I wonder if the police officer came up with his statement regarding his injuries all by himself.    Just kidding.  I am glad that he obviously wasn't banged up too bad if he returned to work the next day.

As far as locking this thread because it's hearsay and can't be used in a court of law...that's so silly!    While there is some hearsay, there are some who witnessed what happened.  Sadly, there seems to be some deeper-rooted issues that will probably not be addressed when all is said and done. 

[hornets85]

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I agree the kid overreacted due to egging from the other students but seriously he was walking away no fight had even occured. ............................................. and i fully believe the cop was in the wrong here, so go ahead and tell me how wrong you think i am. But until you see the video tape you have no right

I have no clue what happened so I won't comment on the incident but will about laws and situations.

You say there was no fight but I don't see where that matters. The officer has the right to stop and detain someone involved in a disturbance or that may have been involved in a fight. With that right the officer can investigate what happened. Maybe nothing happened but that does not stop a police officer from lawfully investigating it assuming that he had enough information that a fight or other crime "may" have been committed or in other words, reasonable suspicion.

When an officer has the right of detention, it is not voluntary. In fact, walking away from an officer that has attempted to lawfully detain you can be the criminal offense of Evading Detention if the person is trying to keep the officer from stopping him. The officer can then lawfully use force if necessary. An officer grabbing onto a person that is walking from a lawful detention is probably going to be ruled as justified force.

The officer may have been rude or maybe the officer could have had more tact but that doesn't make what the officer did improper or illegal (assuming that is what happened). If an officer attempts a lawful detention by grabbing a person, that gives no right for the person to strike the officer. A person might not like being grabbed but the person should not be walking away "if" the officer told the person to stop or tried to detain him.

Did any of that happen? I have no idea. Just commenting on some aspects of the laws and what officers can lawfully do. When I see people commenting that the officer "had no right", I am wondering if they know what they are talking about.

Very good post. Having a brother in law and several close friends that are officers I have talked to them and thay all confirm this if an officer tells you to stop and you don't then you have already commoted a criminal offense. When the student hit the officer he commited a felony and this will stay with him for the rest of his life.

yes i agree, but the thing is, is that the cop never told him to stop. There were no words exchanged between them before the cop grabbed him. I can understand doing your job but grabbing a student by the throat is unacceptable. Esspecially since at this point he was not trying to fight anyone and there was not a single baseball player around. I can understand if he tried to talk to him first, but there was no talking

The officer did not grab his throat I have heard this from 2 different adults that where within 5 feet of the altercation. Where you that close? Where you close enough to hear what the officer said? The bottom line is once he hit the officer he broke the law no matter what. I just hope the school is supporting the officer. If they are not this could be a field day for parents and teachers to go after the school for unsafe conditions.

[venom33]

This thread is hearsay at best.  If you don't know what that is look it up. It usually is not allowed in court, and it not helping anything here.  Lets wait and see what is determined by the LCM admin.  I will lock this thread if it continues.

absolute power corrupts absolutely.... :

[hornets85]

This thread is hearsay at best.  If you don't know what that is look it up. It usually is not allowed in court, and it not helping anything here.  Lets wait and see what is determined by the LCM admin.  I will lock this thread if it continues.

absolute power corrupts absolutely.... :

;D 8) : :)

[Guest airitout123]

This thread is hearsay at best.  If you don't know what that is look it up. It usually is not allowed in court, and it not helping anything here.  Lets wait and see what is determined by the LCM admin.  I will lock this thread if it continues.

It is statements like this that will give moderators a bad reputation.  This is not even close to something that anyone would deem necessary to lock.

So what if it is hearsay.  This is a forum and the subject is being discussed.

[tvc184]

It is statements like this that will give moderators a bad reputation.  ............

Bad reputation?  ???

[Guest airitout123]

It is statements like this that will give moderators a bad reputation.  ............

Bad reputation?  ???

I personally think this was no where near an item that would need to be locked.  For a moderator to make that statement makes me lose respect for that position  I did not say that there was currently a bad reputation.  I just took exception to the threat to lock this without due cause.

[tvc184]

It is statements like this that will give moderators a bad reputation.  ............

Bad reputation?  ???

I personally think this was no where near an item that would need to be locked.  For a moderator to make that statement makes me lose respect for that position  I did not say that there was currently a bad reputation.  I just took exception to the threat to lock this without due cause.

Okay, now I understand. Next time we think about locking a thread, we will run it by you to see if it fits under "due cause". Thanks.  ;D

[hornets85]

The big question now is how much longer will the police be up at school. If they are concerned that if they do their sworn duty to up hold the law and the school will not back them. Why would they want to work off duty at school events. What message is the school sending to the students that this behavior will be ok and nothing will happen. Today, I heard thru a reliable scource that students where talking back to staff. The students would than say their is nothing you can do to me so who cares. It is time for the school to start backing the teachers and staff. They need to say these are the rules and this is the punishment for your actions and follow thru with what they say will happen. Don't let them off for good behavior. The school admin sent a clear message Friday when they wore black clothes in support of the student. That is you can attack a cop and the admin will support you not the law.

[Guest airitout123]

It is statements like this that will give moderators a bad reputation.  ............

Bad reputation?  ???

I personally think this was no where near an item that would need to be locked.  For a moderator to make that statement makes me lose respect for that position  I did not say that there was currently a bad reputation.  I just took exception to the threat to lock this without due cause.

Okay, now I understand. Next time we think about locking a thread, we will run it by you to see if it fits under "due cause". Thanks.  ;D

Thanks.  That would be much better than the current system. 

[Guest airitout123]

The big question now is how much longer will the police be up at school. If they are concerned that if they do their sworn duty to up hold the law and the school will not back them. Why would they want to work off duty at school events. What message is the school sending to the students that this behavior will be ok and nothing will happen. Today, I heard thru a reliable scource that students where talking back to staff. The students would than say their is nothing you can do to me so who cares. It is time for the school to start backing the teachers and staff. They need to say these are the rules and this is the punishment for your actions and follow thru with what they say will happen. Don't let them off for good behavior. The school admin sent a clear message Friday when they wore black clothes in support of the student. That is you can attack a cop and the admin will support you not the law.

The truth will eventually come out.  However, this deputy in question has high character and integrity and I do not think he will be found at fault in this situation.

[hornets85]

The big question now is how much longer will the police be up at school. If they are concerned that if they do their sworn duty to up hold the law and the school will not back them. Why would they want to work off duty at school events. What message is the school sending to the students that this behavior will be ok and nothing will happen. Today, I heard thru a reliable scource that students where talking back to staff. The students would than say their is nothing you can do to me so who cares. It is time for the school to start backing the teachers and staff. They need to say these are the rules and this is the punishment for your actions and follow thru with what they say will happen. Don't let them off for good behavior. The school admin sent a clear message Friday when they wore black clothes in support of the student. That is you can attack a cop and the admin will support you not the law.

The truth will eventually come out.  However, this deputy in question has high character and integrity and I do not think he will be found at fault in this situation.

I don't think Merritt will let it happen either. He saounds like he supports his people and I would say he has already seen the video and the deputy was in the right.

[mjones830]

The big question now is how much longer will the police be up at school. If they are concerned that if they do their sworn duty to up hold the law and the school will not back them. Why would they want to work off duty at school events. What message is the school sending to the students that this behavior will be ok and nothing will happen. Today, I heard thru a reliable scource that students where talking back to staff. The students would than say their is nothing you can do to me so who cares. It is time for the school to start backing the teachers and staff. They need to say these are the rules and this is the punishment for your actions and follow thru with what they say will happen. Don't let them off for good behavior. The school admin sent a clear message Friday when they wore black clothes in support of the student. That is you can attack a cop and the admin will support you not the law.

According to my kids that attend the school, this did in fact happen.

[Roughrider]

What ever happened to taking it behind the tennis courts and beating the crap out of each other, then the next day be buddies agian?  ;D

[mjones830]

I wonder if the police officer came up with his statement regarding his injuries all by himself.    Just kidding.  

  Sadly, there seems to be some deeper-rooted issues that will probably not be addressed when all is said and done. 

1. I guess that you believe that the officer made the whole thing up.

2. What are you insinuating.

[hornets85]

The big question now is how much longer will the police be up at school. If they are concerned that if they do their sworn duty to up hold the law and the school will not back them. Why would they want to work off duty at school events. What message is the school sending to the students that this behavior will be ok and nothing will happen. Today, I heard thru a reliable scource that students where talking back to staff. The students would than say their is nothing you can do to me so who cares. It is time for the school to start backing the teachers and staff. They need to say these are the rules and this is the punishment for your actions and follow thru with what they say will happen. Don't let them off for good behavior. The school admin sent a clear message Friday when they wore black clothes in support of the student. That is you can attack a cop and the admin will support you not the law.

According to my kids that attend the school, this did in fact happen.

And that is why the students are taking over the school how many teachers will live at the end of this year?

[Guest jackbquick]

I wonder if the police officer came up with his statement regarding his injuries all by himself.     Just kidding.  I am glad that he obviously wasn't banged up too bad if he returned to work the next day.

As far as locking this thread because it's hearsay and can't be used in a court of law...that's so silly!     While there is some hearsay, there are some who witnessed what happened.  Sadly, there seems to be some deeper-rooted issues that will probably not be addressed when all is said and done. 

So what are these deep rooted issues you're talking about, please explain. Sounds to me that you may have a few deep rooted issues yourself, always somebody else's fault, huh.