WOS Volleyball forfeits district game for football game/Game rescheduled!!!

[Judex]

You are correct it is not a prison and it is a high school that he is in charge of all athletics.  Lets say that his two D1 backs and half the offensive line decided not to play friday night and instead go cheer for their girlfriends in the volleyball game, or during baseball season the starting pitcher and all the infield players deceided not to play instead attend a Ag meeting on friday night!!  Would there be recourse to these decisions?  of course!! and you can call it punishment or whatever you care to call it but it needs to be treated the same whether its the football, baseball, or girls volleyball team and the same actions need to be considered.  For people to sit back and say oh well its just a girls volleyball game is an slap in the face to girls athletics and goes way beyond the WOS program!!  JMO

as much as i get tired of band geeks whining about football programs getting preference it is THIS kind of tripe that feeds their rationale. your analogy is bad - are the football players in your hypothetical also on the cheerleading squad? nope. that would be a season-long conflict wouldnt it? or wait, they could cheer between plays right? you may hold volleyball in higher esteem than cheerleading or drill team, but then you probably didnt participate in those activities did you?

Amazing. Anyone who says that the size and general controversy contained in this thread has nothing to do with it happening at WO-S is being disingenuous at best. I have seen some stretched rationalizations here that could be analyzed for hours, but the silliest has to be remarks along the lines that these students should be punished for choosing one extra-curricular activity over another. Not one activity listed in this entire morass is vital to an education and they all count equally for phys ed. At that point, you all need to seal your pieholes. If this was the end of the football season bleeding over into basketball would you all be yapping about it? NO. It is not your place to decide what is more important to the individual student who signed up for more than one extra-curricular activity. I personally participated in 2 year round activities that clashed with each other regularly and although it thoroughly pissed off one of my coaches, i instructed them that one was going to win out over the other and that they could either deal with it and have my talents for most of the time or not at all. apparently some schools have dealt with this situation by forcing a choice between 2 potentially clashing activities. WO-S didnt do that. get over it.

there are at least 2 people in this thread that are here for no other reason than to jump on WO-S' neck at any opportunity. maybe some of you lack the introspection to realize it, but not all of you are blind. some are just liars. find something else to moan about.

I have to agree with one thing about your post.  That is.....it seems you have received a good education.  I am surprised you got away with instructing one of your coaches.  Informing or notifying them would be a more preferred method.  Anyway you were doing quite well until you chose to write paragraph to too   two.  You may have underestimated in your charges or accusations that they also might be well educated.  Just an observation.

Main Entry: in·struct

Pronunciation: \in-ˈstrəkt\

Function: transitive verb

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin instructus, past participle of instruere, from in- + struere to build — more at structure

Date: 15th century

1 : to give knowledge to

2 : to provide with authoritative information or advice

3 : to give an order or command to : direct

Seeing as how it was my choice and therefore within my power to decide whether I would participate in one, both, or neither of those activities, I fail to see how using instruct to describe the manner in which I informed them of the circumstances was a poor choice of verbiage. As to your critique of the second paragraph: what does me dropping capitalization (which actually occurred in 1) and using numerals instead of spelling out numbers (also started in 1) have to do with homonyms? I certainly didn't erroneously interchange any. Was this your feeble attempt to look like you gots smartzes?

[thetragichippy]

You are correct it is not a prison and it is a high school that he is in charge of all athletics.  Lets say that his two D1 backs and half the offensive line decided not to play friday night and instead go cheer for their girlfriends in the volleyball game, or during baseball season the starting pitcher and all the infield players deceided not to play instead attend a Ag meeting on friday night!!  Would there be recourse to these decisions?  of course!! and you can call it punishment or whatever you care to call it but it needs to be treated the same whether its the football, baseball, or girls volleyball team and the same actions need to be considered.  For people to sit back and say oh well its just a girls volleyball game is an slap in the face to girls athletics and goes way beyond the WOS program!!  JMO

as much as i get tired of band geeks whining about football programs getting preference it is THIS kind of tripe that feeds their rationale. your analogy is bad - are the football players in your hypothetical also on the cheerleading squad? nope. that would be a season-long conflict wouldnt it? or wait, they could cheer between plays right? you may hold volleyball in higher esteem than cheerleading or drill team, but then you probably didnt participate in those activities did you?

Amazing. Anyone who says that the size and general controversy contained in this thread has nothing to do with it happening at WO-S is being disingenuous at best. I have seen some stretched rationalizations here that could be analyzed for hours, but the silliest has to be remarks along the lines that these students should be punished for choosing one extra-curricular activity over another. Not one activity listed in this entire morass is vital to an education and they all count equally for phys ed. At that point, you all need to seal your pieholes. If this was the end of the football season bleeding over into basketball would you all be yapping about it? NO. It is not your place to decide what is more important to the individual student who signed up for more than one extra-curricular activity. I personally participated in 2 year round activities that clashed with each other regularly and although it thoroughly pissed off one of my coaches, i instructed them that one was going to win out over the other and that they could either deal with it and have my talents for most of the time or not at all. apparently some schools have dealt with this situation by forcing a choice between 2 potentially clashing activities. WO-S didnt do that. get over it.

there are at least 2 people in this thread that are here for no other reason than to jump on WO-S' neck at any opportunity. maybe some of you lack the introspection to realize it, but not all of you are blind. some are just liars. find something else to moan about.

I have to agree with one thing about your post.  That is.....it seems you have received a good education.  I am surprised you got away with instructing one of your coaches.  Informing or notifying them would be a more preferred method.  Anyway you were doing quite well until you chose to write paragraph to too   two.   You may have underestimated in your charges or accusations that they also might be well educated.  Just an observation.

Main Entry: in·struct

Pronunciation: \in-ˈstrəkt\

Function: transitive verb

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin instructus, past participle of instruere, from in- + struere to build — more at structure

Date: 15th century

1 : to give knowledge to

2 : to provide with authoritative information or advice

3 : to give an order or command to : direct

Seeing as how it was my choice and therefore within my power to decide whether I would participate in one, both, or neither of those activities, I fail to see how using instruct to describe the manner in which I informed them of the circumstances was a poor choice of verbiage. As to your critique of the second paragraph: what does me dropping capitalization (which actually occurred in 1) and using numerals instead of spelling out numbers (also started in 1) have to do with homonyms? I certainly didn't erroneously interchange any. Was this your feeble attempt to look like you gots smartzes?

I hope your not from WOS..........for there sake

[td]

You are correct it is not a prison and it is a high school that he is in charge of all athletics.  Lets say that his two D1 backs and half the offensive line decided not to play friday night and instead go cheer for their girlfriends in the volleyball game, or during baseball season the starting pitcher and all the infield players deceided not to play instead attend a Ag meeting on friday night!!  Would there be recourse to these decisions?  of course!! and you can call it punishment or whatever you care to call it but it needs to be treated the same whether its the football, baseball, or girls volleyball team and the same actions need to be considered.  For people to sit back and say oh well its just a girls volleyball game is an slap in the face to girls athletics and goes way beyond the WOS program!!  JMO

as much as i get tired of band geeks whining about football programs getting preference it is THIS kind of tripe that feeds their rationale. your analogy is bad - are the football players in your hypothetical also on the cheerleading squad? nope. that would be a season-long conflict wouldnt it? or wait, they could cheer between plays right? you may hold volleyball in higher esteem than cheerleading or drill team, but then you probably didnt participate in those activities did you?

Amazing. Anyone who says that the size and general controversy contained in this thread has nothing to do with it happening at WO-S is being disingenuous at best. I have seen some stretched rationalizations here that could be analyzed for hours, but the silliest has to be remarks along the lines that these students should be punished for choosing one extra-curricular activity over another. Not one activity listed in this entire morass is vital to an education and they all count equally for phys ed. At that point, you all need to seal your pieholes. If this was the end of the football season bleeding over into basketball would you all be yapping about it? NO. It is not your place to decide what is more important to the individual student who signed up for more than one extra-curricular activity. I personally participated in 2 year round activities that clashed with each other regularly and although it thoroughly pissed off one of my coaches, i instructed them that one was going to win out over the other and that they could either deal with it and have my talents for most of the time or not at all. apparently some schools have dealt with this situation by forcing a choice between 2 potentially clashing activities. WO-S didnt do that. get over it.

there are at least 2 people in this thread that are here for no other reason than to jump on WO-S' neck at any opportunity. maybe some of you lack the introspection to realize it, but not all of you are blind. some are just liars. find something else to moan about.

I have to agree with one thing about your post.  That is.....it seems you have received a good education.  I am surprised you got away with instructing one of your coaches.  Informing or notifying them would be a more preferred method.  Anyway you were doing quite well until you chose to write paragraph to too   two.   You may have underestimated in your charges or accusations that they also might be well educated.  Just an observation.

Main Entry: in·struct

Pronunciation: \in-ˈstrəkt\

Function: transitive verb

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin instructus, past participle of instruere, from in- + struere to build — more at structure

Date: 15th century

1 : to give knowledge to

2 : to provide with authoritative information or advice

3 : to give an order or command to : direct

Seeing as how it was my choice and therefore within my power to decide whether I would participate in one, both, or neither of those activities, I fail to see how using instruct to describe the manner in which I informed them of the circumstances was a poor choice of verbiage. As to your critique of the second paragraph: what does me dropping capitalization (which actually occurred in 1) and using numerals instead of spelling out numbers (also started in 1) have to do with homonyms? I certainly didn't erroneously interchange any. Was this your feeble attempt to look like you gots smartzes?

"I think the Bulldogs played excellent considering 7 freakin turnovers and losing their QB." It's unassailable and has universal applicability regardless of the topic - bonus!!  ;D  ;D

[Judex]

I hope your not from WOS..........for there sake

why what difference would that make? - hey look weed, there's something grammatical for you to play with

[WeedBegone]

You are correct it is not a prison and it is a high school that he is in charge of all athletics.  Lets say that his two D1 backs and half the offensive line decided not to play friday night and instead go cheer for their girlfriends in the volleyball game, or during baseball season the starting pitcher and all the infield players deceided not to play instead attend a Ag meeting on friday night!!  Would there be recourse to these decisions?  of course!! and you can call it punishment or whatever you care to call it but it needs to be treated the same whether its the football, baseball, or girls volleyball team and the same actions need to be considered.  For people to sit back and say oh well its just a girls volleyball game is an slap in the face to girls athletics and goes way beyond the WOS program!!  JMO

as much as i get tired of band geeks whining about football programs getting preference it is THIS kind of tripe that feeds their rationale. your analogy is bad - are the football players in your hypothetical also on the cheerleading squad? nope. that would be a season-long conflict wouldnt it? or wait, they could cheer between plays right? you may hold volleyball in higher esteem than cheerleading or drill team, but then you probably didnt participate in those activities did you?

Amazing. Anyone who says that the size and general controversy contained in this thread has nothing to do with it happening at WO-S is being disingenuous at best. I have seen some stretched rationalizations here that could be analyzed for hours, but the silliest has to be remarks along the lines that these students should be punished for choosing one extra-curricular activity over another. Not one activity listed in this entire morass is vital to an education and they all count equally for phys ed. At that point, you all need to seal your pieholes. If this was the end of the football season bleeding over into basketball would you all be yapping about it? NO. It is not your place to decide what is more important to the individual student who signed up for more than one extra-curricular activity. I personally participated in 2 year round activities that clashed with each other regularly and although it thoroughly pissed off one of my coaches, i instructed them that one was going to win out over the other and that they could either deal with it and have my talents for most of the time or not at all. apparently some schools have dealt with this situation by forcing a choice between 2 potentially clashing activities. WO-S didnt do that. get over it.

there are at least 2 people in this thread that are here for no other reason than to jump on WO-S' neck at any opportunity. maybe some of you lack the introspection to realize it, but not all of you are blind. some are just liars. find something else to moan about.

I have to agree with one thing about your post.  That is.....it seems you have received a good education.  I am surprised you got away with instructing one of your coaches.  Informing or notifying them would be a more preferred method.  Anyway you were doing quite well until you chose to write paragraph to too   two.  You may have underestimated in your charges or accusations that they also might be well educated.  Just an observation.

Main Entry: in·struct

Pronunciation: \in-ˈstrəkt\

Function: transitive verb

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin instructus, past participle of instruere, from in- + struere to build more at structure

Date: 15th century

1 : to give knowledge to

2 : to provide with authoritative information or advice

3 : to give an order or command to : direct

Seeing as how it was my choice and therefore within my power to decide whether I would participate in one, both, or neither of those activities, I fail to see how using instruct to describe the manner in which I informed them of the circumstances was a poor choice of verbiage. As to your critique of the second paragraph: what does me dropping capitalization (which actually occurred in 1) and using numerals instead of spelling out numbers (also started in 1) have to do with homonyms? I certainly didn't erroneously interchange any. Was this your feeble attempt to look like you gots smartzes?

"I think the Bulldogs played excellent considering 7 freakin turnovers and losing their QB." It's unassailable and has universal applicability regardless of the topic - bonus!!  ;D  ;D

Hey Jude (beatle pun) ;D

My bad, I made the assumption you were well educated, but I can clearly see now that you are walking around with the dictionary and thesaurus in your geeky backpack.(advice dont pick on bank geeks---you'll end up working for one some day)

Anyway, now that I know these things, I will try and not bother you any more by exchanging post, but I can not speak for the others in this area.  :-\

[Slam14]

I can't believe I just read 12 pages of this. 

The one thing that WosGrad typed that I did not agree with is the was the AggiesAreWe isn't a WOS hater.  This was Christmas come early to him.  His hatred has made him famous.  Congrats buddy, you are a message board Rock Star.  He doesn't respect the program or Dan Hooks.  He is envious.  Its rather close in comparison, but it is definitely envy.  I'm sure he does root for the Mustangs because he is a football fan and needs something to do in November and December when his school is no longer playing.  Its just like Cowboys fans, just because the Cowboys are not in the playoffs you still watch.  You find a team, maybe the same division or conference and you run with them just like they are your own.  But you aren't really a fan.  You are just bored and next year when the slate is clean, you go back to your Cowboys and you start complaining about the team you followed in the playoffs.  That is what he does.  He says he just does it to get at the "homers" or to get COOP all excited.  We aren't buying it.  He's just a joke.  Mustang fans are used to it.  We've been  hated on for years.  And by hated, I mean envied.

My favorite part of reading all of these pages was when COOP told AggiesAreWe "I know more than you!"

I disagree with you on this matter.  I dont think that the issue is that he or anyone else on here is jealous of your program.  AAW is a very opiniated person that not only has no problem speaking his mind but I think enjoys giving you his opinion about a matter.  AAW enjoying debating football and is looking for anyone that is willing to spare with him.  I think that your arrogance is calling him out more so than he is hating on your program.  I have no beef with WOS football and want to support it very much, but its comments like this "We aren't buying it.  He's just a joke.  Mustang fans are used to it.  We've been  hated on for years.  And by hated, I mean envied." that makes it hard to stomach WOS.  I understand completely how he feels and I can promise you its not jealousy.  If you would spend less time at the helm of your program boasting about its greatness and calling out anyone who is not bowing to your greatness jealous then you probably wouldnt have people like AAW constantly looking to say something bad about your program.   

:  The "greatness" of WO-S' football program is not seen by most, especially if you don't have boys that have gone through the program.  It's really not JUST about football.   I know that some of you may not understand it, but until you live in this district and these men/coaches have the impact that they do on most of these young men/athletes...you won't.  I know that there are some who boasts about WO-S' greatness, but I think that there are far more who simply don't give WO-S the credit they may deserve.  Our football program does still own the title Winningest Football Program in the State of Texas-all classifications and we do go to the playoffs most years.  We really don't need to BOAST about anything because our records speak for themselves, but don't misunderstand "boasting" and all the blab that we get accused of for just pride and coming to the defense of our program when need be.  But, we could post on here all day...and will still get blasted...that is something that we're used to.  Thanks for thinking about us!!

Nice comments stang4life,

  I highlighted your words of "It's really not JUST about football".  That statement is very true and I'm not talking about just at WOS...that statement should hold true anywhere.  In the past, the coaches at WOS have used football to teach life lessons and get kids on track with their lives.  It sounds to me like the new volleyball coach has turned around a program that hasn't won in two years into a very competitive above average 12-7 at this point in the season.  Does she not deserve the same respect and opportunity to teach life lessons as well? 

  Another poster danced around the idea that "Let's be real honest, Girl's athletics don't matter as much as boys sports."  Please.  This is a story more about values than about volleyball.

How WOS handles this in the next week will tell the true story.

Slam, you are assuming that she isn't getting the same opportunity to teach these life lessons. We don't know if she agrees or disagrees with this.

What you quoted was somewhat out of context as I remember it. I'm not interested enough to go back and find the quote so I may be wrong. If I am wrong I fully expect you and 20 other people to let me know.  ;D The other poster stated that it was obvious that girls athletics didn't matter as much and used attendance by fans at the games as an example of people showing that they weren't as important. I don't think (and I hope I'm right) that most people feel like that. I know I don't and I know you don't.

  td,

  I'm not assuming that she's not getting the same opportunities to teach life lessons, I'm saying that this IS ONE opportunity that seems to be taken from her.  We can only assume her position by her "no comment".

  You are right in the fact that I may have taken that posters quote "somewhat" out of context.    ;D  I apologize to the poster, but I didn't think her explanation quantified the statement. 

  I guess in a nutshell my point is that only the tiniest fraction of high school athletes will ever be able to use sports as an income or living.  (Some go on to bigger and better things like their own insurance business.  )  With that in mind, for the overwhelming majority of high school athletes, the most important part of their playing days are the life lessons and camaraderie with teammates and coaches.  I'm sure you have a million stories about WOS baseball.  What if your most memorable moment on the diamond had not taken place because the game had been forfeited?

This is a story about poor planning and not taking care of business ahead of time.   

[Bobcat1]

Agreed Slam. 

[KFDM COOP]

Game is not being played!!!!!!! Move on!!!!!!!!

[AggiesAreWe]

Game is not being played!!!!!!! Move on!!!!!!!!

Why? This is some great discussion, Kerry.

Don't even try to squash this.

[FritoBandito]

23 pages and counting

[KFDM COOP]

Ya'll can keep discussing it. Before long you'll be talking to yourself. I'm out!

[Judex]

23 pages and counting

hey i have done my part. posts were long and i really did try to spit in a couple of eyes

[77]

I remember a year ago that a coach wanted to cancel a non-district football game ( I didnt agree with him) but the man and the faculty were chastised on here by mostly WOS supporters. This is not any different, just a different sport.

If that game would not have been played I bet some would still be posting on it.

[td]

I FIND IT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE COACHES CANNOT SCHDULE A FOOTBALL GAME AT A TIME WHERE PARENTS CAN MAKE IT TO A GAME?    HELLOOOOO, WE DO NOT HAVE TEACHER HOURS.  WE WORK TILL 5.  THEREFORE HOW IN THE HECK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO SEE OUR KIDS PLAY WHEN THE GAME STARTS AT 5.  

DOES ANYONE EVEN REALIZE THAT IT MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE WAY OUR KIDS PLAY IF THERE PARENTS WERE THERE TO SHOW THEM SUPPORT.  

Maybe this is why they are forfeiting the game and why they didn't want to play at 4:00  ;D  ;D  ;D

Also may be why they wanted to play on Saturday!!!!!!!!!

[thetragichippy]

I FIND IT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE COACHES CANNOT SCHDULE A FOOTBALL GAME AT A TIME WHERE PARENTS CAN MAKE IT TO A GAME?    HELLOOOOO, WE DO NOT HAVE TEACHER HOURS.  WE WORK TILL 5.  THEREFORE HOW IN THE HECK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO SEE OUR KIDS PLAY WHEN THE GAME STARTS AT 5.  

DOES ANYONE EVEN REALIZE THAT IT MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE WAY OUR KIDS PLAY IF THERE PARENTS WERE THERE TO SHOW THEM SUPPORT.  

Maybe this is why they are forfeiting the game and why they didn't want to play at 4:00  ;D  ;D  ;D

Also may be why they wanted to play on Saturday!!!!!!!!!

AMEN.......we practice PEEWEE football at 530pm because the parents didnt like 6pm........I'm gonna end op getting a ticket makin practice.........dang parents!!

[thetragichippy]

I FIND IT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE COACHES CANNOT SCHDULE A FOOTBALL GAME AT A TIME WHERE PARENTS CAN MAKE IT TO A GAME?    HELLOOOOO, WE DO NOT HAVE TEACHER HOURS.  WE WORK TILL 5.  THEREFORE HOW IN THE HECK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO SEE OUR KIDS PLAY WHEN THE GAME STARTS AT 5.  

DOES ANYONE EVEN REALIZE THAT IT MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE WAY OUR KIDS PLAY IF THERE PARENTS WERE THERE TO SHOW THEM SUPPORT.  

Maybe this is why they are forfeiting the game and why they didn't want to play at 4:00  ;D  ;D  ;D

Also may be why they wanted to play on Saturday!!!!!!!!!

TD..............you undercover as PANTHERMOM?    ;D  ;D

[Judex]

Hey Jude (beatle pun) ;D

lame

My bad, I made the assumption you were well educated, but I can clearly see now that you are walking around with the dictionary and thesaurus in your geeky backpack.(advice dont pick on bank geeks---you'll end up working for one some day)

no need, we have the internets. you can even copy and paste from thems. maybe if you did a little research you would have come up with something wittier and more applicable

[td]

I can't believe I just read 12 pages of this. 

The one thing that WosGrad typed that I did not agree with is the was the AggiesAreWe isn't a WOS hater.  This was Christmas come early to him.  His hatred has made him famous.  Congrats buddy, you are a message board Rock Star.  He doesn't respect the program or Dan Hooks.  He is envious.  Its rather close in comparison, but it is definitely envy.  I'm sure he does root for the Mustangs because he is a football fan and needs something to do in November and December when his school is no longer playing.  Its just like Cowboys fans, just because the Cowboys are not in the playoffs you still watch.  You find a team, maybe the same division or conference and you run with them just like they are your own.  But you aren't really a fan.  You are just bored and next year when the slate is clean, you go back to your Cowboys and you start complaining about the team you followed in the playoffs.  That is what he does.  He says he just does it to get at the "homers" or to get COOP all excited.  We aren't buying it.  He's just a joke.  Mustang fans are used to it.  We've been  hated on for years.  And by hated, I mean envied.

My favorite part of reading all of these pages was when COOP told AggiesAreWe "I know more than you!"

I disagree with you on this matter.  I dont think that the issue is that he or anyone else on here is jealous of your program.  AAW is a very opiniated person that not only has no problem speaking his mind but I think enjoys giving you his opinion about a matter.  AAW enjoying debating football and is looking for anyone that is willing to spare with him.  I think that your arrogance is calling him out more so than he is hating on your program.  I have no beef with WOS football and want to support it very much, but its comments like this "We aren't buying it.  He's just a joke.  Mustang fans are used to it.  We've been  hated on for years.  And by hated, I mean envied." that makes it hard to stomach WOS.  I understand completely how he feels and I can promise you its not jealousy.  If you would spend less time at the helm of your program boasting about its greatness and calling out anyone who is not bowing to your greatness jealous then you probably wouldnt have people like AAW constantly looking to say something bad about your program.   

:  The "greatness" of WO-S' football program is not seen by most, especially if you don't have boys that have gone through the program.  It's really not JUST about football.   I know that some of you may not understand it, but until you live in this district and these men/coaches have the impact that they do on most of these young men/athletes...you won't.  I know that there are some who boasts about WO-S' greatness, but I think that there are far more who simply don't give WO-S the credit they may deserve.  Our football program does still own the title Winningest Football Program in the State of Texas-all classifications and we do go to the playoffs most years.  We really don't need to BOAST about anything because our records speak for themselves, but don't misunderstand "boasting" and all the blab that we get accused of for just pride and coming to the defense of our program when need be.  But, we could post on here all day...and will still get blasted...that is something that we're used to.  Thanks for thinking about us!!

Nice comments stang4life,

  I highlighted your words of "It's really not JUST about football".  That statement is very true and I'm not talking about just at WOS...that statement should hold true anywhere.  In the past, the coaches at WOS have used football to teach life lessons and get kids on track with their lives.  It sounds to me like the new volleyball coach has turned around a program that hasn't won in two years into a very competitive above average 12-7 at this point in the season.  Does she not deserve the same respect and opportunity to teach life lessons as well? 

  Another poster danced around the idea that "Let's be real honest, Girl's athletics don't matter as much as boys sports."  Please.  This is a story more about values than about volleyball.

How WOS handles this in the next week will tell the true story.

Slam, you are assuming that she isn't getting the same opportunity to teach these life lessons. We don't know if she agrees or disagrees with this.

What you quoted was somewhat out of context as I remember it. I'm not interested enough to go back and find the quote so I may be wrong. If I am wrong I fully expect you and 20 other people to let me know.  ;D The other poster stated that it was obvious that girls athletics didn't matter as much and used attendance by fans at the games as an example of people showing that they weren't as important. I don't think (and I hope I'm right) that most people feel like that. I know I don't and I know you don't.

  td,

   I'm not assuming that she's not getting the same opportunities to teach life lessons, I'm saying that this IS ONE opportunity that seems to be taken from her.  We can only assume her position by her "no comment".

  You are right in the fact that I may have taken that posters quote "somewhat" out of context.    ;D  I apologize to the poster, but I didn't think her explanation quantified the statement. 

  I guess in a nutshell my point is that only the tiniest fraction of high school athletes will ever be able to use sports as an income or living.  (Some go on to bigger and better things like their own insurance business.   )  With that in mind, for the overwhelming majority of high school athletes, the most important part of their playing days are the life lessons and camaraderie with teammates and coaches.  I'm sure you have a million stories about WOS baseball.  What if your most memorable moment on the diamond had not taken place because the game had been forfeited?

This is a story about poor planning and not taking care of business ahead of time.     

I absolutely agree with your last statement. I just don't see it the same way as some others do about this being taken away from her. If I understand yall, you think that the coach doesn't approve of this? I don't know if she does or doesn't but for some reason it just isn't as clear to me as it seems to others that she disagrees. Maybe it's my thick skull.

On another note, it would not have happened at WOS in baseball during my days, period. Too many dedicated athletes. The difference is these girls are dedicated to cheer and dance. It's kind of funny that this is coming up because you can't truly committ to two different things if they conflict you will have to choose one over the other. Just as in youth baseball, it's hard to play league and select. League allstars is the same time as select State and World Series. Therefore, you have to abandon one or the other.

[td]

I FIND IT VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE COACHES CANNOT SCHDULE A FOOTBALL GAME AT A TIME WHERE PARENTS CAN MAKE IT TO A GAME?    HELLOOOOO, WE DO NOT HAVE TEACHER HOURS.  WE WORK TILL 5.  THEREFORE HOW IN THE HECK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO SEE OUR KIDS PLAY WHEN THE GAME STARTS AT 5.  

DOES ANYONE EVEN REALIZE THAT IT MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE WAY OUR KIDS PLAY IF THERE PARENTS WERE THERE TO SHOW THEM SUPPORT.  

Maybe this is why they are forfeiting the game and why they didn't want to play at 4:00  ;D  ;D  ;D

Also may be why they wanted to play on Saturday!!!!!!!!!

TD..............you undercover as PANTHERMOM?    ;D   ;D

I was hoping no one would notice. I'm sure I will be bashed or accused of poking fun at her. BTW I wasn't doing that.

[dav-joel]

If this thread reaches 30 pages there will be another Hitler Video.  ;D

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If this thread reaches 30 pages there will be another Hitler Video.  ;D

You go Dav! ;D ;D

[KFDM COOP]

The hate continues!

[Keyser Soze]

Wow!!!! 23 pages. Amazing! Let's see if I can recap this so the new readers can catch up! OK.  WOS varsity volleyball players decide to cheer and dance at the football game instead of playing the V-game. V-Game is a forfeit. JV not eligible to move up and play varsity because V-coach is cheer sponsor and will attend F-game. Dan Hooks says " Parents of the missing V-girls tell him they will be at the F-game" and there is nothing he can do. Some guy says don't blame the "king" (didn't know Elvis was dead).  Accusations fly about deleted post and name calling begins with such words as "Mike" and "Randy". Posters re-live their past of being multi-taskers like "East Tx". OU Still Sucks!!!. Fields might be too wet to cheer or dance. Volleyball court is dry with no people. Some hippy makes most the sense out of all posters. Keyser sets a new SETXSports record with the most smites in one night for posting this reply. There now. That's how I see it...... 

[FritoBandito]

If this thread reaches 30 pages there will be another Hitler Video.  ;D

Cmon 30 pages  ;D ;D

[WeedBegone]

Wow!!!! 23 pages. Amazing! Let's see if I can recap this so the new readers can catch up! OK.  WOS varsity volleyball players decide to cheer and dance at the football game instead of playing the V-game. V-Game is a forfeit. JV not eligible to move up and play varsity because V-coach is cheer sponsor and will attend F-game. Dan Hooks says " Parents of the missing V-girls tell him they will be at the F-game" and there is nothing he can do. Some guy says don't blame the "king" (didn't know Elvis was dead).  Accusations fly about deleted post and name calling begins with such words as "Mike" and "Randy". Posters re-live their past of being multi-taskers like "East Tx". OU Still Sucks!!!. Fields might be too wet to cheer or dance. Volleyball court is dry with no people. Some hippy makes most the sense out of all posters. Keyser sets a new SETXSports record with the most smites in one night for posting this reply. There now. That's how I see it......   

I just got dizzy reading this.  LOL