Why act as if you have never seen?

[shorttexas1]

You guys literally talk as if you have never seen a team as good as Yates in history!!  Just this decade there were at least four teams that would have given this Yates team a hard time and two that were head and shoulders better!  Scoring alot of points are good but they could not do all of that with these teams that I am getting ready to name them!

39-0 Milby 2004 led by Jawann McClellan, and James Posey, National #4... 2002 40-0 Dallas Lincoln led by Chris Bosh and Bryan Hopkins, National #1, 2001 Ozen Panther lead by Albert Marshal and Kendrick Perkins was ritght here in your back yard, Nationa #3!  I know you forget how good they were!

Milby had good guard play and was led by a point forward that would be in the NBA if it wasn't for a severe knee injury in college!  This team could play with yates because it had good guard play, Posey and McClellan were unstopable inside and McClellan could shoot as well as bang... He played all over the court and had a sick first step.  They played a playoff warm-up gae at Lamar and beat 3A State champ Kountze by 30 plus.  This team is the most likely to lose to Yates out the bunch, but they were also good enough to win.

2001 Ozen team was awsome.  I know you all forget how good they were.  Senior guards Albert Marshall and Mike Thomas were too good to be press the entire game.  Wheatly tried that tactic (the ran the same press Yates runs now) and got beat by nearly 20.  They were 12 deep and the starters were really good.  Think about it, Desmond Cooper, Albert Marshal, Keena Young, Kendrick Perkins and Tigee Rideaux with Jason Dabney, Brekenridge, Chappell, Rideau, Tyrrell, Daigle, and Allen off the bench... They were just as athletic and much bigger than Yates is now.  The starting guards could handle the press really well and the post were way too good!  It would be a close game because the bench guards would have trouble with the press, but Ozen would win... And for the record, I truly dislike Ozen!

Dallas Lincoln team was way too good for Yates.  This game would not be close!  Bosh would score 40 and Hopkins would have 30.  Byron Eaton would not turn the ball over!!! That is three D1 starters and a Pro!  Oh and William Langrum would have 10 dunks in that game... These guys were unpressable!  Byron Eaton and Bryan Hopkins were both starting D1 pgs... Something Yates does not have and have not seen!

Last but not least 2001-1999 Sugarland Willowridge led by TJ Ford and Daniel Ewing...  No way Yates stays in the game.  This team went 95-4 over a three year span but had to forfit the entire 1999 district schedule due to a  transfer that did not sit out (75 and 1 over two years)! This team had three future NBA players on it, and held National number 1 for 2 years!  This team had three D1 pgs that were not to be pressed, two were 6'3 and 6'4!  I do not need to say that TJ Ford was could do Yates press a world of damage, do I?  Ivan McFarlin average 15 rebounds per game and Walker averaged 8... They were both 6'9".  Kenny Taylor did not even start in 2000, he came offg the bench!! This was by far the best team I have ever witnessed with my own eyes... LIVE!  It was a treat to watch them! 

[Guest sal]

the only team coulda run with yates was the willorige teams they was the only ones with enough deepth
wheetly was pressin with migets yates pressin with 6'5 6'4 types big difference
lincoln coulda stayed close fora while but them and ozen played grind it out styles cause they didnt have much bench yates would where em down
milby almost got beat by 3a state champs that year

[shorttexas1]

Milby beat them by 30, close ???
Ozen was really deep, they play a slow grinding game because of the BIG man in the middle, you don't run when you center is THAT dominant!
Yates has no one that could play with Bosh, and Hopkins and Eaton were no slouches!
And actually, that Wheatly team only had two sub 6' kid off the bench that were a big part of their press, there starting guards were actually 6', 6', 6'4 and 6'2"

Finally have you looked at the Yates team?  6'4" 6'5" guards, where???? you are just talking...

The top five guards are Gardner 5'9, Peters 6'1, Young 6'2, Lang 5'10 and Roy 6'2!!!  One of the five starters is 6'7 and he plays the back of the press!  You are obvously not up to speed with your data, please come with something better than guessing that you know what you are talking about!

[AggiesAreWe]

Short, I have seen plenty of teams over the years that could hang with Yates. Maybe not win, but then maybe they could, but either way, it would never be a blowout.

The Willowridge teams could play with them, the '84 Houston Madison team would probably beat them. I can go even farther back and say that the '71 and '72 Houston Wheatley teams that had Owens and Co. would play with them and probably beat them.

That's just to name a few. ;)

[Bobcat1]

How many have actually seen Yates play?

[BLUEDOVE3]

Fellas, I could include the Wheatley Wildcats of the 1970's and none of the aforementioned teams  would be able to stand up to their big guards, full court press (whole game) or big men.

So its backto the future ;)

[Guest sal]

milby only beat kountze by 15 that year an it was close whole way

[bullets13]

let's be honest here... me, AAW, bluedove, short, and lazeek (with dickie v coaching us, of course), could not only hang with Yates, but we'd beat them so bad that they'd drop the press by the start of the 2nd quarter. 

but seriously, you're right when you bring up the fact that Yates is not the best team to ever touch a court. 

[shorttexas1]

I agree with you Ags, I just said we have seen it this decade!  So I named teams within the past 10 years (decade=10 yrs)  ;D

I think their team is really good but they are far from the greats we have seen recently!  And it is really low on individual talent.  I really commend Wise for what he has done with this team and it is probably one of the greatest coach displays I have sen in recent times!!! (kinda like Ponder in the early 2000s)! 

Bullets, Peters would dunk on me but I would "J" him up!  :o

[AggiesAreWe]

This is just one man's opinion and it's not even my opinion. My father has been going to the state tourney every year since 1958. He missed his first tourney a couple of years back because of cancer surgery. In all the years that he has been and all the teams that he has seen there, he told me the best team that he ever saw was the Willowridge team with McFarland, Ford, Ewing and co. He thought that they were the most complete team he had ever saw. Great guards, great inside game, great defensive pressure and very good coaching.

My father is 76 years old and is no expert, but I'll take is word based on his on personal experience.

He saw the great Wheatley teams of the 70's, that Dallas Roosevelt team of '70 and many many more.


IMO, I too like that Willowridge team along with the '84 Madison team with Sean Gay & co.

[AggiesAreWe]

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I agree with you Ags, I just said we have seen it this decade!  So I named teams within the past 10 years (decade=10 yrs)  ;D

I think their team is really good but they are far from the greats we have seen recently!  And it is really low on individual talent.  [b]I really commend Wise for what he has done with this team and it is probably one of the greatest coach displays I have sen in recent times!!![/b] (kinda like Ponder in the early 2000s)! 

Bullets, Peters would dunk on me but I would "J" him up!  :o
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I was with you until you lost me with the coaching statement.

[shorttexas1]

I did not say sportsmanship, I said coaching!!!!  He has turned decent players into a great team, give him his props!!!

Young is the only exceptional talent on the team and he is not better than D Gibson, DeCarlos Frank (smart though), TJ Ford, Daniel Ewing, Carlos Hurt, Kris Richards just to name a few!

[aTmfan06]

Kountze did only loose to Milby by 15 I was on the Kountze bench for that game and it was close through the entire game....

[HoopInsider_Cooper]

[font=Courier]I've seen them this season.

I don't think it's the "awe, I've never seen a team like this," I think it's more of how they are winning.

I've seen plenty of teams that would beat them. The undefeated Milby team was brought in by Jim Barton and I for our Playoff Preview at the Montagne. They were very, very nervous about that game.

Of course Region 3 won several state titles that year, Milby, Kountze and Houston Jones, led by Daniel Gibson. We had them in the year before![/font]

[FanintheStands]

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[font=Courier]I've seen them this season.

I don't think it's the "awe, I've never seen a team like this," I think it's more of how they are winning.

I've seen plenty of teams that would beat them. The undefeated Milby team was brought in by Jim Barton and I for our Playoff Preview at the Montagne. They were very, very nervous about that game.

Of course Region 3 won several state titles that year, Milby, Kountze and Houston Jones, led by Daniel Gibson. We had them in the year before![/font]
[/quote]Ya'll got it all wrong.

Buna, in the 60's would dominate every team mentioned!!!!  As a 1A school, they would warm up by beating French and BCP!!!  They would dominate teams and win by staggering scores like 12-8, 10-6 and all.

Of course, few people could stay awake to witness this mastery of the game, but Buna did have the record for most state titles... .until Snook took it over.

[shorttexas1]

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[quote author=HoopInsider_Cooper link=topic=65307.msg751060#msg751060 date=1264710728]
[font=Courier]I've seen them this season.

I don't think it's the "awe, I've never seen a team like this," I think it's more of how they are winning.

I've seen plenty of teams that would beat them. The undefeated Milby team was brought in by Jim Barton and I for our Playoff Preview at the Montagne. They were very, very nervous about that game.

Of course Region 3 won several state titles that year, Milby, Kountze and Houston Jones, led by Daniel Gibson. We had them in the year before![/font]
[/quote]Ya'll got it all wrong.

Buna, in the 60's would dominate every team mentioned!!!!  As a 1A school, they would warm up by beating French and BCP!!!  They would dominate teams and win by staggering scores like 12-8, 10-6 and all.

Of course, few people could stay awake to witness this mastery of the game, but Buna did have the record for most state titles... .until Snook took it over.
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Different kind of basketball!!! Buna would not have a chance!

[FanintheStands]

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[quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=65307.msg751164#msg751164 date=1264725569]
Ya'll got it all wrong.

Buna, in the 60's would dominate every team mentioned!!!!  As a 1A school, they would warm up by beating French and BCP!!!  They would dominate teams and win by staggering scores like 12-8, 10-6 and all.

Of course, few people could stay awake to witness this mastery of the game, but Buna did have the record for most state titles... .until Snook took it over.
[/quote]

Different kind of basketball!!! Buna would not have a chance!
[/quote]Perhaps my sarcasm is too subtle?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I was discussing this topic with people at work yesterday. I think IMO Yates would run willowridge out the gym----by a close score. Dallas Lincoln didnt face the type of relentless D Yates would bring IMO.

[bees85]

The team itself is one thing, but coaching is the other half in fielding a winning team. I have no doubt that the great James Gamble would devise a scheme to not only slow em down but to out score em on offense. The bees teams of the 80s/90s would give em fits. Especially the 86 team led by Anthony Allen, the 6'8" Georgetown shotblocker. The 81 team with all its height and ball handling Guards, The 88-89 teams with BJ Tyler/ Brian Sallier. Real area HS enthusiasts have to concur......

[BLUEDOVE3]

yates must be really good. Everybody trying to find a way to beat them. Yall going way back to 1980's. LOL