**OFFICIAL Mid-County MADNESS THREAD!***

[GoDogs27]

yep...new defense... should be looking good for friday

[PNG1992]

it cant be a good think to install a brand new defense midway through the season. that being said it cant be a good think to allow 63 or 42 points in a game either..... :shock:

[JMay]

Throw out the records in this one. Both teams got embarrassed last week. Not that either need any motivation for this one. I'll take the Dogs to make or break their season. If they don't win here there goose is cooked. Big Ned 24 NDNs 22. I think Moshier is the difference Friday night.

[Guest Jags]

To much Nederland this week

[Guest Penny]

Dogs27, you can't stick to an arguement to save your life. Quit blaming the coaches. We didn't tackle, we were there but didn't get it done. We had the hands team in on the onside kick, they didn't make the play.. .don't know why, the kids just didn't. You may need to take a step back and think before you shoot a post. Razor had you pegged, I saw it same as he... I don't get where you come from.

[Guest Nederland Bulldogs]

Coaches are to blame some on this.

[restless natives]

I am not sure what happend to Nederland's defense the last two games' date=' as I once thought they were pretty darn good. Having said that, [b']PNG is so bad this year it won't matter. Nederland runs all over PNG this Friday. It will be the Mosley show.

Hey BH89...What the he!! is this crap??? PN-G has wins against some solid teams already this year. It seems every time there's a thread that has anything to do with PN-G you find a way to throw some negative bull at them. What's the problem????????

[GoDogs27]

Dogs27' date=' you can't stick to an arguement to save your life. Quit blaming the coaches. We didn't tackle, we were there but didn't get it done. We had the hands team in on the onside kick, they didn't make the play.. .don't know why, the kids just didn't. You may need to take a step back and think before you shoot a post. Razor had you pegged, I saw it same as he... I don't get where you come from.[/quote']

can someone please give this penny person some candy or something, they wont leave me alone.... quite freaking out so much when people have different opinions that you dont agree with... just chill

[Guest Luv Ya Blue]

Leave him alone Penny. I think Nederland wins this game. And yes when things are going like they have been it's NOT JUST THE PLAYERS.

[KFDM COOP]

"Mid County Madness" PN-G vs Nederland (PN-G leads series 46-29-7)

1925-Nederland 6 PN-G 0

1925-PN-G 13 Nederland 7

1926-PN-G 6 Nederland 0

1926 PN-G 6 Nederland 0

1927-PN-G 0 Nederland 0

1927-PN-G 22 Nederland 0

1928-Nederland 31 PN-G 0

1928-Nederland 25 PN-G 0

1929-PN-G 20 Nederland 0

1929-PN-G 26 Nederland 0

1930-PN-G 6 Nederland 0

1930-PN-G 0 Nederland 0

1931-PN-G 32 Nederland 0

1932-PN-G 21 Nederland 0

1933-PN-G 7 Nederland 0

1934-PN-G 20 Nederland 0

1935-PN-G 27 Nederland 6

1936-Nederland 20 PN-G 19

1937-Nederland 13 PN-G 0

1938-PN-G 14 Nederland 0

1939-Nederland 6 PN-G 0

1940-PN-G 0 Nederland 0

1941-PN-G 2 Nederland 0

1942-Nederland 14 PN-G 0

1943-PN-G 7 Nederland 7

1944-Nederland 18 PN-G 0

1945-Nederland 39 PN-G 12

1946-PN-G 35 Nederland 3

1947-PN-G 71 Nederland 0

1948-PN-G 38 Nederland 7

1954-Nederland 27 PN-G 24

1955-Nederland 34 PN-G 6

1956-Nederland 19 PN-G 6

1957-Nederland 40 PN-G 14

1958-PN-G 36 Nederland 22

1959-Nederland 14 PN-G 0

1960-Nederland 27 PN-G 6

1961-PN-G 14 Nederland 12

1962-Nederland 21 PN-G 12

1963-PN-G 22 Nederland 21

1964-Nederland 22 PN-G 6

1965 PN-G 0 Nederland 0

1966-PN-G 16 Nederland 15

1967-PN-G 6 Nederland 0

1968-PN-G 35 Nederland 35

1969-PN-G 20 Nederland 19

1970-PN-G 15 Nederland 14

1971-PN-G 51 Nederland 13

1972-PN-G 38 Nederland 0

1973-PN-G 29 Nederland 6

1974-PN-G 20 Nederland 17

1975-PN-G 28 Nederland 6

1976-PN-G 20 Nederland 3

1977-PN-G 35 Nederland 14

1978-PN-G 22 Nederland 3

1979-PN-G 14 Nederland 9

1980-PN-G 35 Nederland 0

1981-PN-G 12 Nederland 0

1982-PN-G 49 Nederland 0

1983-PN-G 28 Nederland 7

1984-Nederland 13 PN-G 7

1985-PN-G 3 Nederland 0

1986-Nederland 21 PN-G 12

1987-PN-G 14 Nederland 14

1988-Nederland 29 PN-G 0

1989-PN-G 41 Nederland 7

1990-PN-G 27 Nederland 0

1991-PN-G 23 Nederland 6

1992-PN-G 54 Nederland 0

1993-Nederland 28 PN-G 14

1994-Nederland 13 PN-G 7

1995-Nederland 28 PN-G 25

1996-PN-G 17 Nederland 14

1997-Nederland 28 PN-G 7

1998-PN-G 28 Nederland 7

1999-PN-G 31 Nederland 8

2000-Nederland 21 PN-G 19

2001-Nederland 42 PN-G 10

2002-Nederland 22 PN-G 19

2003-PN-G 23 Nederland 14

2004-Nederland 19 PN-G 13

2005-Nederland 35 PN-G 28

[Guest Penny]

I'm voting that we not play the Transferral of Blame game period. I will point out coaching mistakes as soon as the next guy, it just cracks me up when we get absolutely blown out the joint and it's because we weren't calling the right plays? We moved the ball without Mosely and were very aggressive with first down passing. Our defense came out in a new alignment in the hope of containing the run with DJ and Benton at dual OL like positions... we blitzed on almost every play... what the heck do you want. I'll let it rest, but GoDogs27, you have a penchant for carelessly throwing blame around without fact... you even went back on some of your own comments. Maybe I'm just weird... don't answer that Titan, but I like to have facts to back up the points being made... and at least stick to them, I may disagree, but at least we can discuss the points versus criticizing for the sake of criticizing and then taking it back when someone like Razor or myself disagrees.

[Guest Nederland Bulldogs]

Let's just win please!

[GoDogs27]

ok penny let me explain myself.... first off i never said anything about playcalling and if i did point it out and ill gladly admit that im wrong... and razor did make a valid point with the coaching at Central, I still believe the scheme was flawed, it obviously was... im not trying to bash anyone... i played for these very same coaches, why would i want to bash them.. i think they are great.. but their decision not to put 9 people on the front line in Vidor to me just didnt make sense.... thats all... i think the combination of coaching and players mistakes led to these two losses, but that doesnt change the fact that i still think we have the best group of coaches in the area BAR NONE....

[Guest Penny]

I guess that's what I don't understand, you say the defensive playcalling was poor versus the obvious Central offense... yet when Razor states the fact that we were right there all night and just didn't tackle... you say, yeah you're right. So was the defensive play calling still poor, or did we not tackle well... which is it?

Nederland did have the hands team in there, you may disagree with how Neumann sets up his hands team, but many don't put all their player in one solid line across the restraining line. Most stagger their 9 men to create some depth for the possible high hop the kicker tries to create. I don't think you put 9 on the restraining line for an onside kick, you stagger your nine, like Neumann had them setup. Again, the hands team was in there, they knew it was coming, eventually it comes down to a player making a play.

[KFDM COOP]

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17305313&BRD=2287&PAG=461&dept_id=512556&rfi=6

[New Indian]

Wishful thinking dogs! i heard Mosley took some wicked hits at the Central game and is more than banged up. Ive said it once and ill say it again We win this year, it was an embarassment at lc-m and it wont happen again, weve got a statement to make this week :twisted:

[bigdog1]

no mosley didnt take any nasty hits at the central game and will be more than ready for this up coming week

[piratefan]

no mosley didnt take any nasty hits at the central game and will be more than ready for this up coming week

No he took them during the Vidor game

[Razor]

Mosley did not take a beating against Central. I think he was in for maybe 2 plays before he was pulled. Bottom line was, he simply was not ready physically to play. Another week of rest should do him well and I expect him to be a go for MCM.

[MikeEast]

I dont really think you can blame anyone, especially not the coaches for the overall performance. When the kids are in position, but cannot make the play, not one single play, its not coaching. Its poor execution. Granted Ned has always given up yards, but not points and not big plays.

If there are lacking coaching techniques, the only one I can think of is they have not perfected their coaching techniques on how to finish an open field tackle. Even great Nederland defenses of the past decade have struggled with missed tackles. I can remember too many nights wringing my hands in frustration at the missed oportunities where the defenses failed to finish the job. They gave up yards, but in the end they did not let anyone score on them.

Nederlands defenses have always been best when they can control the ballcarrier and force them into heavy traffic. That was how they stifled offenses in the past. They never gave up a big play either. I can remember years and years where you never saw a RB sprint for the goal line against the Dogs D. I remember the term "bend, but dont break" used a lot when describing them because they gave up yards, but not points. So yeah, maybe tackling is a coaching issue but don't ask me how to fix it. Maybe ask Coach Matthews, Vidor was great at it.

My point is, in the past they were successful defensively despite the fact they missed a few tackles because they were able to force the offense to run into traffic because they controlled the line, eventually forced the ball carrier into a crowd and then swarmed. Now they are super easy to spread out and are forced to try to tackle a ballcarrier running at full stride in the open field too frequently. If you dont force them to slow down, and you cannot tackle in the open field, you are dead. So IMO Nederland needs to figure out how to do one or the other and fast.

[Guest Luv Ya Blue]

Good points Mike. Nederland should win this game Friday.

[Guest Kelly Football]

Nederland. I just can't see Neumann and staff losing 3 straight in District.

[Guest LCM Volleyball]

Nederland should win this one.

[Guest Bridge City Card]

PN-G wins. Nederland's Defense is way down from stats i've seen.

[ulikecucmiiike]

ive talked about this before. i was shocked to see what the LCM did to Port Neches last friday nite.i went and saw the indains play against silsbee and that hemmings boy was a good back.if PNG just give him that ball about 25 times hes like a bull.i have not seen Nedeland this year in person but ive read and it seems the defense is a little down. i also have read that michal mosley may not play.that would hurt the dogs team.i have to think the indains had a horrable nite against LCM and will have to bounce back some.because they are playing at the indain field ill take them boys from pot neches.but if they make me look bad again ill not pickem anymore this year.i wish i could goto that one but tickets are hard to come by.so ill maybe go see lumbeton get it on with the central.i bet the raiders wont be so talkative after that one son.

jimmy