I would like some feedback from the readers here

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There has been considerable debate about the pluses and minuses of Universal Off Season training at the high school level.  Would like your input on this please.

[BLUEDOVE3]

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There has been considerable debate about the pluses and minuses of Universal Off Season training at the high school level.  Would like your input on this please.
[/quote]Stevie, it takes a truly gifted athlete about 2 weeks to get back into basketball shape. let's see: Basketball season counting the school season is from approx:  November to July/early Aug. I would stay with basketball conditioning. The problem is that football as a secondary sport starts in Aug/Sept. There really is no time for a rest period for the kids who want to play football.

[stevenash]

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[quote author=stevenash link=topic=70860.msg816293#msg816293 date=1278378747]
There has been considerable debate about the pluses and minuses of Universal Off Season training at the high school level.  Would like your input on this please.
[/quote]Stevie, it takes a truly gifted athlete about 2 weeks to get back into basketball shape. let's see: Basketball season counting the school season is from approx:  November to July/early Aug. I would stay with basketball conditioning. The problem is that football as a secondary sport starts in Aug/Sept. There really is no time for a rest period for the kids who want to play football.
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It is interesting that you are able to quantify things for "truly gifted athletes"  Now, what about those who are not so "truly gifted"?

[BLUEDOVE3]

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[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=70860.msg817648#msg817648 date=1278954887]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=70860.msg816293#msg816293 date=1278378747]
There has been considerable debate about the pluses and minuses of Universal Off Season training at the high school level.  Would like your input on this please.
[/quote]Stevie, it takes a truly gifted athlete about 2 weeks to get back into basketball shape. let's see: Basketball season counting the school season is from approx:  November to July/early Aug. I would stay with basketball conditioning. The problem is that football as a secondary sport starts in Aug/Sept. There really is no time for a rest period for the kids who want to play football.
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It is interesting that you are able to quantify things for "truly gifted athletes"   Now, what about those who are not so "truly gifted"?
[/quote]Simple, the not so gifted are at home most of the day playing X-Box or WI-FI thingy.

[stevenash]

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[quote author=stevenash link=topic=70860.msg817654#msg817654 date=1278956928]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=70860.msg817648#msg817648 date=1278954887]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=70860.msg816293#msg816293 date=1278378747]
There has been considerable debate about the pluses and minuses of Universal Off Season training at the high school level.  Would like your input on this please.
[/quote]Stevie, it takes a truly gifted athlete about 2 weeks to get back into basketball shape. let's see: Basketball season counting the school season is from approx:  November to July/early Aug. I would stay with basketball conditioning. The problem is that football as a secondary sport starts in Aug/Sept. There really is no time for a rest period for the kids who want to play football.
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It is interesting that you are able to quantify things for "truly gifted athletes"   Now, what about those who are not so "truly gifted"?
[/quote]Simple, the not so gifted are at home most of the day playing X-Box or WI-FI thingy.
[/quote]  Unrivaled brilliance

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The things that you do in universal offseason are not harmful to the athletes.  It is  harmful to basketball because that 50-60 minutes a day is not working on skills that you must now rely on a 14-18 year old kid to do on his own. Even if you open the gym, the coach can not go in there and put him through drills and make him work on individual skills or even team skills that could be done during the period.  A player is more likely to go into a weightroom on his own and go through a weight workout than go do dribbling, ball handling, or shooting drills in the gym on his own. So to answer the poll question again.  Universal offseason IS harmful to basketball by taking that time OUT of the coaches hands to work on things he thinks they need to work on. 

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The things that you do in universal offseason are not harmful to the athletes.  It is  harmful to basketball because that 50-60 minutes a day is not working on skills that you must now rely on a 14-18 year old kid to do on his own. Even if you open the gym, the coach can not go in there and put him through drills and make him work on individual skills or even team skills that could be done during the period.  A player is more likely to go into a weightroom on his own and go through a weight workout than go do dribbling, ball handling, or shooting drills in the gym on his own. So to answer the poll question again.  Universal offseason IS harmful to basketball by taking that time OUT of the coaches hands to work on things he thinks they need to work on. 
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I agree and dont think it takes much sense for others to arrive at same conclusion.

[BLUEDOVE3]

Not if you have a dedicated basketball coach who has laid out a schedule for morning weight training and the afternoon is time for working on your game.

[sleepy]

[quote name="bballgod" post="817751" timestamp="1278978985"]
The things that you do in universal offseason are not harmful to the athletes.  It is  harmful to basketball because that 50-60 minutes a day is not working on skills that you must now rely on a 14-18 year old kid to do on his own. Even if you open the gym, the coach can not go in there and put him through drills and make him work on individual skills or even team skills that could be done during the period.  A player is more likely to go into a weightroom on his own and go through a weight workout than go do dribbling, ball handling, or shooting drills in the gym on his own. So to answer the poll question again.  Universal offseason IS harmful to basketball by taking that time OUT of the coaches hands to work on things he thinks they need to work on. 
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You also can't get 10 kids practicing together "on their own".  That is the reason it is so valuable.  It is another hour of practice. I  remember that we used our athletic period in high school during the season to put in bounds plays in, shoot free throws, or work on some other skill.  Then at practice you could input those things in to real game situations or whatever you had for that day. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

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[quote author=bballgod link=topic=70860.msg817751#msg817751 date=1278978985]
The things that you do in universal offseason are not harmful to the athletes.  It is  harmful to basketball because that 50-60 minutes a day is not working on skills that you must now rely on a 14-18 year old kid to do on his own. Even if you open the gym, the coach can not go in there and put him through drills and make him work on individual skills or even team skills that could be done during the period.  A player is more likely to go into a weightroom on his own and go through a weight workout than go do dribbling, ball handling, or shooting drills in the gym on his own. So to answer the poll question again.  Universal offseason IS harmful to basketball by taking that time OUT of the coaches hands to work on things he thinks they need to work on. 
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You also can't get 10 kids practicing together "on their own".  That is the reason it is so valuable.  It is another hour of practice. I  remember that we used our athletic period in high school during the season to put in bounds plays in, shoot free throws, or work on some other skill.  Then at practice you could input those things in to real game situations or whatever you had for that day. 
[/quote]So true!