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[quote name="becktobigs" post="817862" timestamp="1279034952"]
Who are you asking about?
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Sounds like the head coach of Lamar's program. Only one full season as a head coach at a college, albeit a JUCO. And experience at Burton as a head coach, though unclear if it was for two or three years...

[b]Woodard came to Lamar after three seasons at Navarro College - the first two as defensive coordinator and the final season as head coach.[/b] His 2007 squad went 9-3 and advanced to the conference playoffs for the first time in six seasons.

Navarro defeated defending national champion Blinn College on consecutive weeks before rolling past Kilgore - the SWJCFC regular-season champion - on the road 54-28 to earn the school's first bowl bid since the 1990s.

Navarro claimed a 24-21 win over Georgia Military in the Pilgrim's Pride Bowl to finish the year ranked fourth in the NJCAA national poll. For his efforts, Woodard was named the SWJCFC Coach of the Year.

Navarro ranked third nationally in total offense (444.6 yards per game), fourth in rushing offense (250.5 ypg) and 16th in passing offense (194.2 ypg), while scoring a school-record 428 points for an average of 35.7 per game in 2007.
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From 2003-05, Woodard served as the head football and track coach at Burton (Texas) High School, with the Panthers winning the district title in track in 2004.[/b] He spent two years as the defensive coordinator at Livingston (Texas) HS from 1998-2001 and one season at Trinity HS in 1997-98. Trinity went 7-3 in 1997.
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I find that amaZING in that he was the most qualified!  Maybe he will be a trend setter.  ??? ??? ???
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Man, you are a little late to the party if you are just now finding out who the Head Coach is at Lamar! ??? ???
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Thanks for the slams but my statement was correct 8-12 at a small Tx high school and 9-3 at a JUCO must have impressed Billy and Jimmy.  Let's see the results in four yrs. if he lasts that long.  Seems to move or had to move after short stints at places.  Go Cards
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I'll agree with hipster.

Ray Woodard does not have lengthy head football coaching experience, let alone experience at the Div I level. He has NFLE and Arena League experience, but outside of playing at the Div I level - no experience here. Would've even given him some credit if he was a Div II head coach, since it's not far off from Div I.

The hiring of Ray Woodard is one of the two biggest question marks I have on the Lamar program. For all the talk prior to the hiring, this was truly not the "sexy" pick in the least bit. It's not the splash of a Larry Coker or Bill Curry, like some of the other upstarts. Figured Lamar would want the splash hire...

The other question mark I have is the recruiting. There's way too many transfers for an upstart program and no matter how you break it down, I just do not see how this will be beneficial for your program over the long run. May come with instant gratification, but could end up stunting the growth some.

Wait, guess I have a third one. The entering the SLC in year two. All other FCS programs come into their league in year three. I do not think that was a smart move in the least bit, but probably goes in line with Lamar's risk/reward with the long list of transfers.
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I'll agree with hipster.

Ray Woodard does not have lengthy head football coaching experience, let alone experience at the Div I level. He has NFLE and Arena League experience, but outside of playing at the Div I level - no experience here. Would've even given him some credit if he was a Div II head coach, since it's not far off from Div I.

The hiring of Ray Woodard is one of the two biggest question marks I have on the Lamar program. For all the talk prior to the hiring, this was truly not the "sexy" pick in the least bit. It's not the splash of a Larry Coker or Bill Curry, like some of the other upstarts. Figured Lamar would want the splash hire...

The other question mark I have is the recruiting. There's way too many transfers for an upstart program and no matter how you break it down, I just do not see how this will be beneficial for your program over the long run. May come with instant gratification, but could end up stunting the growth some.

Wait, guess I have a third one. The entering the SLC in year two. All other FCS programs come into their league in year three. I do not think that was a smart move in the least bit, but probably goes in line with Lamar's risk/reward with the long list of transfers.
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I guess you think Willie Fritz is a "sexy pick"? He lead Blinn JC and Central Missouri prior to taking over for the BearKats; one a juco and the other DII. He definitely didin't make a "splash" around here.

You think you know FCS football and you probably do know more than most but your logic about our transfers and entering the SLC in year two are your opinion and are not based on facts. You can make an arguement either way about the direction the program is going. I guess we'll all know about Ray Woodard by year three or four. You got to give the man at least that long for a startup program.
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BR360 what makes you an authority on FCS fb.  Some other teams problems are not the answer to building championship programs.  Now not all the transfers will be bad but once you quit something it is easier to quit the next time.  If I am not mistakes some of the transfers have not panned out already as one I know is ineligible.  But lets hope the best and see what happens
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[quote name="bigred360" post="818119" timestamp="1279135340"]I guess you think Willie Fritz is a "sexy pick"? He lead Blinn JC and Central Missouri prior to taking over for the BearKats; one a juco and the other DII. He definitely didin't make a "splash" around here.[/QUOTE]

I do not think Fritz was a "sexy pick", but unlike Woodard - he's got plenty of experience at the top two level of NCAA football. He spent several years as a Division I assistant and plenty more as a Division II head coach. His JUCO head coaching stint is just "bonus".

Woodard has not coached at the Division I level, if I read his bio correctly. Nor has he coached at the Division II level. His experience is JUCO football (albeit not long) and as an assistant in two leagues - NFLE and Arena Football - that do not exist. Yes, Arena Football came back as af1 or whatever, but it's not the same league.

[quote author=bigred360 link=topic=70946.msg818119#msg818119 date=1279135340]You think you know FCS football and you probably do know more than most but your logic about our transfers and entering the SLC in year two are your opinion and are not based on facts. You can make an arguement either way about the direction the program is going. I guess we'll all know about Ray Woodard by year three or four. You got to give the man at least that long for a startup program. [/quote]

FACT - No start-up in the last 5-10 years has entered a full-scholarship Division I FCS league in its first two years. Please look at the clocks for Southeastern Louisiana, Old Dominion, Georgia State, etc. Going back further, I am sure the same exists.

So, I guess that is an accurate assessment of your program and fact-based. I'm just going off experience there.

As it relates to transfers, you are right. Tough to tell. I'm thinking that there are plenty to be had because a) Lamar needs to be competitive to retain interest in the program, b) a lot of SETX boys wanted to return home or c) all Woodard knows is the JUCO level and it was easier to load up on players from the TX JCs.

Either way, we'll know if Woodard was the right or wrong hire in the next few years. Will he outshine fellow upstart coaches? Or will he go the way of Dom Capers for you Houston Texans fans?
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Nothing makes me an expert and never challenged anyone's independent thinking either.  oh well lets stop the pissing match and hope for the best.
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I think you got me wrong as I've never challenged anyones except TexasTerror's independent thinking. He and I go back and forth on this forum and another. As for you, it appears you are a Lamar fan and you have a right to voice your opinion but so do I.

I'm with you on hoping for the best.
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[quote name="TexasTerror" post="818161" timestamp="1279147437"]
[quote author=bigred360 link=topic=70946.msg818119#msg818119 date=1279135340]I guess you think Willie Fritz is a "sexy pick"? He lead Blinn JC and Central Missouri prior to taking over for the BearKats; one a juco and the other DII. He definitely didin't make a "splash" around here.[/QUOTE]

I do not think Fritz was a "sexy pick", but unlike Woodard - he's got plenty of experience at the top two level of NCAA football. He spent several years as a Division I assistant and plenty more as a Division II head coach. His JUCO head coaching stint is just "bonus".

Woodard has not coached at the Division I level, if I read his bio correctly. Nor has he coached at the Division II level. His experience is JUCO football (albeit not long) and as an assistant in two leagues - NFLE and Arena Football - that do not exist. Yes, Arena Football came back as af1 or whatever, but it's not the same league.

[quote author=bigred360 link=topic=70946.msg818119#msg818119 date=1279135340]You think you know FCS football and you probably do know more than most but your logic about our transfers and entering the SLC in year two are your opinion and are not based on facts. You can make an arguement either way about the direction the program is going. I guess we'll all know about Ray Woodard by year three or four. You got to give the man at least that long for a startup program. [/quote]

FACT - No start-up in the last 5-10 years has entered a full-scholarship Division I FCS league in its first two years. Please look at the clocks for Southeastern Louisiana, Old Dominion, Georgia State, etc. Going back further, I am sure the same exists.

So, I guess that is an accurate assessment of your program and fact-based. I'm just going off experience there.

As it relates to transfers, you are right. Tough to tell. I'm thinking that there are plenty to be had because a) Lamar needs to be competitive to retain interest in the program, b) a lot of SETX boys wanted to return home or c) all Woodard knows is the JUCO level and it was easier to load up on players from the TX JCs.

Either way, we'll know if Woodard was the right or wrong hire in the next few years. Will he outshine fellow upstart coaches? Or will he go the way of Dom Capers for you Houston Texans fans?
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Sorry short on time so I'll make it quick. RW was an assistant at ULL. I believe they are FBS school.  What is wrong with doing something different than Southeastern Louisiana, Old Dominion, Georgia State and other startup programs. If Lamar struggles in the next 3-4 years you can say I told you so, right?
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I'm not sure if this ever got aired publicly, but Larry Coker was interviewed for the job, and Woodard got the job instead of the old guy. Coker was desperate to get back to coaching, but I'm glad we didn't pick him up.

Farmer Fran also had an informal interview.

Woodard came with recommendations from all the right places, he lacks experience, but has bucket loads of all the other ingredents needed to succeed in DI football - connections, recruiting accumen, respect of other coaches, work ethic, confidence etc etc.
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Rumor has it that Barry Switzer was contacted about the job too.

Here is some RW bio information.

Woodard spent three years as the defensive coordinator for the Scottish Claymores from 2000-03 - his second stint with an NFL Europe franchise.

From [b]1988-95 [/b] Woodard was the defensive coordinator at Kilgore College and recruited more than 200 Texas high school student-athletes. The Rangers appeared in back-to-back Shrine Bowls in 1989 and 1990. Kilgore had a 9-2 record in 1990, won the conference championship and was ranked as high as No. 6 in the country.

Woodard was a two-time All-America selection as a defensive tackle at Kilgore College from 1980-81.

Woodard then finished his college career at the University of Texas under coach Fred Akers. The 1982 team went 9-3 and finished the season ranked 17th nationally. As a senior in 1983, Woodard and the Longhorns posted a perfect 11-0 regular season mark, captured the Southwest Conference championship and finished the season ranked fifth in the nation. Texas led the nation in total defense, yielding just 212 ypg along with 9.5 ppg.

[b]Woodard was then selected in the eighth round of the 1984 NFL Draft by the San Diego Chargers. He spent the next five seasons with the Chargers, Denver Broncos and Kansas City Chiefs. He was a member of the Broncos' 1986 AFC Champion and Super Bowl team.[/b]

How many Head Coaches in the SLC have played college ball at the highest level and then played in the NFL? IMO that is a recruiting advantage. He played in the NFL and can tell kids he knows what it takes to get there.
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Sometimes this board becomes a forum for disgruntled individuals who are naysayers and negative thinkers, always looking to "espouse their superior intellect in all things sport" while really only trying to spew venom on those teams and individuals who they dislike and want to see fail (in a sordid way to feel better about their own self worth).  Like anybody hired for any job in any field, the new coach at LU will have to meet the expectations of his superiors (and the fans).  I for one like what I have seen so far and am supporting him to be successful and a winner and if he is, all LU fans and alumni will benefit.
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[quote author=TexasTerror link=topic=70946.msg818161#msg818161 date=1279147437]
[quote author=bigred360 link=topic=70946.msg818119#msg818119 date=1279135340]I guess you think Willie Fritz is a "sexy pick"? He lead Blinn JC and Central Missouri prior to taking over for the BearKats; one a juco and the other DII. He definitely didin't make a "splash" around here.[/QUOTE]

I do not think Fritz was a "sexy pick", but unlike Woodard - he's got plenty of experience at the top two level of NCAA football. He spent several years as a Division I assistant and plenty more as a Division II head coach. His JUCO head coaching stint is just "bonus".

Woodard has not coached at the Division I level, if I read his bio correctly. Nor has he coached at the Division II level. His experience is JUCO football (albeit not long) and as an assistant in two leagues - NFLE and Arena Football - that do not exist. Yes, Arena Football came back as af1 or whatever, but it's not the same league.

[quote author=bigred360 link=topic=70946.msg818119#msg818119 date=1279135340]You think you know FCS football and you probably do know more than most but your logic about our transfers and entering the SLC in year two are your opinion and are not based on facts. You can make an arguement either way about the direction the program is going. I guess we'll all know about Ray Woodard by year three or four. You got to give the man at least that long for a startup program. [/quote]

FACT - No start-up in the last 5-10 years has entered a full-scholarship Division I FCS league in its first two years. Please look at the clocks for Southeastern Louisiana, Old Dominion, Georgia State, etc. Going back further, I am sure the same exists.

So, I guess that is an accurate assessment of your program and fact-based. I'm just going off experience there.

As it relates to transfers, you are right. Tough to tell. I'm thinking that there are plenty to be had because a) Lamar needs to be competitive to retain interest in the program, b) a lot of SETX boys wanted to return home or c) all Woodard knows is the JUCO level and it was easier to load up on players from the TX JCs.

Either way, we'll know if Woodard was the right or wrong hire in the next few years. Will he outshine fellow upstart coaches? Or will he go the way of Dom Capers for you Houston Texans fans?
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Sorry short on time so I'll make it quick. RW was an assistant at ULL. I believe they are FBS school.  What is wrong with doing something different than Southeastern Louisiana, Old Dominion, Georgia State and other startup programs. If Lamar struggles in the next 3-4 years you can say I told you so, right?
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Not quite understanding why taking transfers is a bad thing when you start up a program.  There is ONE way to take kids away from McNeese, SFA, and Sam and that is to win.  Lamar eventually has to get recruits that would have gone to those programs and transfers from D1 schools are what make the difference in a .500 year and a playoff year.  You should know about that terror(Dustin Long and Rhett Bomar)!
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You can add Tyrik Rollison a QB transfer from Auburn to the list.
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What is good for Terror is not good for everyone else.  Just like the most famous alumni from Dan Rather State, being hypocritcal does not bother him.
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Maybe he'll tell us about all the guys the new HC has ran off since his arrival in Huntsville. If one of our coaches did that you know he'd be making some negative comments about the situation.
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For those harping on transfers, SHSU has gotten several high-profile transfers at the QB position. Compared to many FCS schools, especially in the last five years, our transfer numbers from the FBS level have been behind those of other institutions, including those in the league.

Take a look at this year's roster. We have transfers from Div I schools Wofford and Jacksonville (non-scholarship). Any others (since Rollison is not announced) come from the JC route with a walk-on addition from a Div III (non-scholarship).

On Lamar's roster, I count seven Div I transfers and 25 JUCO or non-Div I transfers. That's 32 players on your roster that have transferred in. Seems a bit much. Compared to UTSA especially at this point. Would be interested to see if that holds true when UTSA begins football in '11.

Again, SHSU always sticks out like a "sore thumb" because of the high-profile nature of our transfers and the position they play. Outside of the QBs, our most high-profile transfer of recent years was Chris Brown of Texas.
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[quote name="bigred360" post="818400" timestamp="1279236872"]Sorry, TT 4 isn't several high-profile transfers at the QB position. [/quote]

Yes, but can you tell me about notable transfers at other positions? There really are not any outside of Chris Brown (Texas) and perhaps that All-American kicker from Vanderbilt.

Outside of that, SHSU does not load up on transfers aplenty nor has any other start-up in the manner that Lamar has. I'm not convinced the Cardinals made the best decision (and we'll learn eventually if this is accurate) as it pertains to roster management.

It's a wait and see. For the time being, we can only talk about facts and make comparisons between Lamar and other start-up programs.
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