New FB Coach

[bigred360]

The reason I like the way RW is recruiting is because there will be transfers and freshmen who redshirted last season. Then you add the transfers and freshmen from this years recruiting class. So there will be olders guys on the team mixed with some youth.

If you just recruit HS players as a startup program you'll be playing teams loaded with juniors and seniors and your team will be made up of redshirt freshman and true freshman players. That would be a major disadvantage in my opinion.

[LU Baseball Fan]

NorthoftheBorder.....I like you and your thoughts......BR 360- Go get TT and Hipster...(Hipster????)  Haven't even played a down yet and TT is ragging....ragging....ragging. This is a NEW program, transfers are a great way to bring experience and leadership to a team.  In future years you will not have as many transfers because you will bring in younger kids to groom and move into those leadership position.

Ray Woodard is great.  Love his attitude and also at how hard he has worked.  He is not afraid to get his hands dirty.

Why don't you grouchy folks at least give us a few games, then start ragging, Oh, that's right not a happy camper, so lets rag on Lamar sports.  Hey Hipster must be kin to Baseball25......

[TexasTerror]

[quote name="LU Baseball Fan" post="818486" timestamp="1279264475"]Why don't you grouchy folks at least give us a few games, then start ragging, Oh, that's right not a happy camper, so lets rag on Lamar sports.  Hey Hipster must be kin to Baseball25......[/quote]

Hey LU Baseball Fan, we're being good 'raggers' since we're talking about legitimate things that all parties are "in the know" about. You'll find that fan bases at other start-ups are breaking down their program in many ways, though based on speculation. At least Woodard's resume and the lengthy list of transfers are known entities.

We'll save the Tubbs, Roc talk until later. ;)

[bigred360]

[quote name="TexasTerror" post="818494" timestamp="1279282441"]
[quote author=LU Baseball Fan link=topic=70946.msg818486#msg818486 date=1279264475]Why don't you grouchy folks at least give us a few games, then start ragging, Oh, that's right not a happy camper, so lets rag on Lamar sports.  Hey Hipster must be kin to Baseball25......[/quote]

Hey LU Baseball Fan, we're being good 'raggers' since we're talking about legitimate things that all parties are "in the know" about. You'll find that fan bases at other start-ups are breaking down their program in many ways, though based on speculation. At least Woodard's resume and the lengthy list of transfers are known entities.

We'll save the Tubbs, Roc talk until later. ;)
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"At least Woodard's resume and the lengthy list of transfers are known entities." Man, this takes alot of work as you must know how to read to gain this information! ::) ::)

We'll save the Bob Marlin talk for later as he left SHSU for ULL. That must have hurt as the Ragin Cajuns were in the "old SLC" and this isn't really a major step up the coaching ladder. :D :D

[TexasTerror]

[quote name="bigred360" post="818546" timestamp="1279298038"]We'll save the Bob Marlin talk for later as he left SHSU for ULL. That must have hurt as the Ragin Cajuns were in the "old SLC" and this isn't really a major step up the coaching ladder. :D :D[/quote]

Want to talk Marlin to ULL?

Marlin reached his height at SHSU. Two NCAA appearances. Would've been nice to win a game in the NCAA, but he put this program in a much better place than he left it.

It is much easier to move on from the Sun Belt to a school in the desired SEC. Marlin's not getting younger and if he can turn around ULL in the next 3-to-5 years, may have a chance at the SEC.  He left on great terms with his AD. The situation is not like the one involving Roc and Tubbs. It did not need intervening from the President of the institution...

[bigred360]

[quote name="TexasTerror" post="818560" timestamp="1279303282"]
[quote author=bigred360 link=topic=70946.msg818546#msg818546 date=1279298038]We'll save the Bob Marlin talk for later as he left SHSU for ULL. That must have hurt as the Ragin Cajuns were in the "old SLC" and this isn't really a major step up the coaching ladder. :D :D[/quote]

Want to talk Marlin to ULL?

Marlin reached his height at SHSU. Two NCAA appearances. Would've been nice to win a game in the NCAA, but he put this program in a much better place than he left it.

It is much easier to move on from the Sun Belt to a school in the desired SEC. Marlin's not getting younger and if he can turn around ULL in the next 3-to-5 years, may have a chance at the SEC.  He left on great terms with his AD. The situation is not like the one involving Roc and Tubbs. It did not need intervening from the President of the institution...
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First I don't want to turn a football tread into a basketball one. However, I have a couple of comments about your post.

1. In 12 seasons with SHSU, BM produced an overall record of 225 victories and 131 losses. His last eight seasons in Huntsville, the Kat's produced a combined record of 163-81 for an average record of 20-10 each season. If Lamar had eight straight 20 win seasons our attendance would be though the roof.

With that kind of success on the basketball court your AD and President of SHSU only paid him about what Lamar paid Coach Tidwell in his third year as the WBB HC. If Lamar is willing to pay Coach Tidwell the type of salary he was making in a non-revenue producing sport there is no way Lamar would have just let him leave without a serious offer increasing his salary.

2. Having read some comments on katfans.com and not everyone was happy with BM's decision to leave SHSU for ULL. I mean I thought you have earlier stated SHSU is a basketball school. Then you state "Marlin reached his height at SHSU." So, the "height" of success in MBB at SHSU is two NCAA appearances in 12 seasons? Now, I know the Kat's have been a lot better than Lamar in men's basketball over the same period of time. I'm sure you'll note that in a reply but there is no need as I concer. If things fell different in the Baylor game and the Kat's won, he would have gotten a major college job and I'd be saying congratulations. But, leaving for the Sun Belt? I know about Sun Belt coaches landing major college jobs the past few years; Buzz Williams, Darrin Horn and John Pelphrey.

One of his reasons for leaving SHSU was ULL "passionate fanbase" or one could say the lack of passion for MBB in Huntsville.

3. You must have a source in the Lamar athletic department or something because you keep stating Coach Tubbs asked Roc to resign. However, I have yet to hear information about our prior AD attempting to force Roc into resigning. Did they have a post season meeting? Yes.

Our Interim Athletics Director Larry Tidwell and Coach Roc are very good friends. So, I think he will do everything in his power to help Coach Roc be successful and not have to do a very difficult thing and fire a good friend.

[bigred360]

[b] 02-04-2007[/b]    #17
[b]TexasTerror[/b]

      From the good ole Lamar faithful "in the know", abovetherim3 of Lamar's fan board...

   I've had several discussions with people about this topic. Lamar is committed to bringing back the sport. Expect a formal announcement some time in the spring or early summer. The process is further along than most people are aware. There have been discussions with a coach who is quoted as saying he would "love the challenge of building a program" and also mentioned "I see no reason Lamar University can't have a successful football program with the amount of talent within a 100 mile radius of Beaumont".

   This coach played major college football for a Big 12 conference team, was a assistant coach for several seasons in the SEC.

   The Head Coach will be hired a full year before Lamar plays their first football game. He will then put together a coaching staff, work on scheduling and the recruitment of players. That being said, expect the first class of players to be heavy with JC transfers, transfers from FBS schools, HS freshman who will red-shirt a season and then add another class before the first game is played.

   The administration from what I'm told is committed to having the best facilities in the SLC so that would tell me a major renovation is in store for Cardinal Stadium and the field house or a new stadium and athletics facilities will be begun in the near future.

   I am sure this all will happen by the 2010 season. It is a lot of work to happen in 3 years but I believe in the current administration can make it happen.

   There are reasons a public announcement by the university has not been made at the present time but I'm not a liberty to discuss those issues nor do I fully understand them.

Looks like abovetherim3 knew a few things about the football program didn't he TT? By the way, I found this on the site anygivensaturday.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?14297-Looking-Back-Looking-Forward-Lamar-Football

[TexasTerror]

That posts reminds me...

"Collegiate football is banned at Lamar University. (Beaumont )"

Credit: http://www.bitoffun.com/stupid_laws_texas.htm

You guys figure that one out?  :D

[hipster]

Just got back in town glad to read lu baseball fan remarks.  If you research any of the places I mentioned in my post you will see that he has  not stayed at any place very long either by his choice or not.  I also bet I have more college letters (playing) than you and big red 360 combined, a total of 6.  Not bragging just being factual again, now please quit trying to make me out a bad guy.  Peace out

[bigred360]

[quote name="hipster" post="819317" timestamp="1279667517"]
Just got back in town glad to read lu baseball fan remarks.  If you research any of the places I mentioned in my post you will see that he has  not stayed at any place very long either by his choice or not.  I also bet I have more college letters (playing) than you and big red 360 combined, a total of 6.  Not bragging just being factual again, now please quit trying to make me out a bad guy.  Peace out
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RW was at Kilgore from 88-95 so that is a few years in one place. Please quit referring to me in your post when I haven't stated anything but facts. Him being at Kilgore as a DC from 88-95 is a fact. Just being factual and not bragging but my brother played at McNeese (team went to the quarterfinals while he was there) and then he went into the coaching profession. One of my best friends went to training camp with Tampa Bay and was a two-time All-SLC player at Arkansas State (played WR) and they played Georgia Southern for the national championship for then DI-AA. So, there are plenty of guys who played college ball and probably several visit this site.

LU Baseball Fan is kin to Kevin Millar so I'm sure she knows more about baseball than football.

Again, please quit referring to me in your post and I promise not to mention your username. Peace.

[hipster]

my sincere apologies I thought we were talking about hc positions.  kilgore was a few yrs but all the others were not.  anyway lets hope he proves me wrong an does a heck of a job.  hope your brothers team does well also as coaching is a wicked and also rewarding profession. peace and out