Jasper at Lumberton/LUMBERTON WINS 56-35!!!!!

[LTrain]

Why are you worried about playing them Raiders there Squirt ? ;) it wouldnt count for anything

[Guest BIG HOUSE]

K'Ville scrimmaged Lumberton i think in 2004, and won.....Wish we could have played in 06',07',and08'... ;)

[Raider81]

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I think who everyone should be looking out for this year is Vidor.

They just had a 2 OT game against a team that went to the finals in 2008 and lost to Lake Travis.
[/quote] Not worried about them either, we went to the state finals last year as well.
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Is Vidor in your district?  No?  Then there's no reason for you to worry about them anyway.
[/quote] Why are you so offended by me stating that i wished Kirbyville played your Raiders??
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My post had NOTHING to do with the Raiders and everything to do with your discounting a team (Vidor) who just played a very historically tough team (Texas) and did WELL and the fact that you're not worried about them (Vidor, not Lumberton).  Again, why would you be?  They're not in your district. 

[jordibug15]

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You gotta feel for our number 40, you can bet after that stupid unsportsmanlike penalty the coach will have him running wind sprints into his 2nd year of college. Way to put the hammer down Coach Creduer, not many other coaches will go all the way in the field and remove an offending player from the game. Jasper coaches, you need to have a talk with your player that made that illegal block, hopefully that boy your guy took out will be back in the game soon. Great game L-Town, slow start as usual but no stopping you once you're moving.
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Actually, no...no need to feel for Raider #40. Yes, he made a bad decision and yes Coach Creduer did go out on to the field...but only to find out what exactly happened...not to escort the player off of the field. He is one who will stand up for his players, no matter what. He is an excellent Coach and Lumberton is very thankful to have him...and most importantly all of his players have the utmost respect for him. Therefore, #40 beat himself up enough over his bad decision...and I will have you know (as a close friend of that family) that #40 did not leave that stadium last Friday night until he talked to Coach Creduer alone to apologize for his mistake, and not only did he apologize to Coach Credeur, like a man, he apologized to HIS team. He felt so terrible for letting, not only his coaches, down, but his WHOLE team. The poor kid beat himself up about it ALL weekend and in to this week, so bad, that the coaches had to talk to him alone and tell him that "It's done and over with, and it's ok...just don't let it happen again." And for your information...the child did NOT have to run as much as you think. Coach Creduer has those boys knowing right from wrong and #40 KNEW he was in the wrong and he felt absolutely terrible for it. He learned his lesson and I can assure you that this Friday against Barbers Hill he will play his heart out and never make a mistake like that one again. So please, before you make a comment about a certain player...know the details.
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I agree with you. I talked to his mom and she said he felt HORRIBLE about it.

[ST413]

I was there last friday and I have to say it is great to hear that a player had that much respect for his coaches and fellow players.  I am sure he has learned from his mistake.  I do have a question though.  It looked like Jasper's #10 was talking to the official then the flag got thrown.  Was this the correct view or were the players talking to each other? Don't need any other information,  I just found it odd that the official would call such a penalty as a result of something he was told by a player.

[raideroldtimer]

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I was there last friday and I have to say it is great to hear that a player had that much respect for his coaches and fellow players.  I am sure he has learned from his mistake.  I do have a question though.  It looked like Jasper's #10 was talking to the official then the flag got thrown.  Was this the correct view or were the players talking to each other? Don't need any other information,  I just found it odd that the official would call such a penalty as a result of something he was told by a player.
[/quote]Most everyone saw that, my guess (that's all it is) is the official probably heard it and the player confirmed it. Also, "1Raider I KNOW you realize I was kidding when I said the Coach would have him runnning sprints until his 2nd year of college right? The players remorse at what he did is further evidence of how great a coach AC is and how much personal responsibility he instills in these boys. I have yet to talk to a player in the last 3 years that didn't display the utmost respect for me are others as older persons, it's always yes sir this and no sir that, the military could only do so well in teaching respect. If you could jar and sell what Coach Creduer and his staff teaches you could make millions and there'd be no more professional athletes getting away with all sorts of transgressions, just make them shoot the stuff up and tell them it'll make them faster/stronger.  ;) I can see it now, it could be called R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

[Guest LR1969]

Man...it seems like this has gotten blown out of proportion a little. I don't think Raideroldtimer was trying to "kill" a kids self-esteem with his comments. I wasn't there at the game so I'll give you that. But I do always respect a coach who comes down on a player who displays anything resembling unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, wasn't there so I don't know what happened. I'm just speaking generically. I will say this though; If my son ever crosses a line, I hope the coach calls him on it. And, if others talk about the mistake my son makes, I hope he learns from that experience/gossip that when he behaves irresponsibly, even in the heat of the moment, there are consequences. As for feeling HORRIBLE; we should feel horrible when we do the wrong thing, be it on the football field or in the workplace, etc. Obviously, we don't need to be reminded of it every day once we accept responsibility and move forward but the initial "horrible feeling" and the criticism is what helps us to not do that same thing again.
Life is full of ups and downs and many times we ourselves are responsible for the downs. And, criticism, even if it borders on gossip/opinion, serves to get us back on the correct path. It's called responsibility and it's one of the most important things a CHILD can take from his/her time on the athletic field. That same responsibility that this CHILD has apparently run afoul of during one moment of weakness will now make him a better person later in life (better employee, better man) simply because others, like Raideroldtimer, called him on it and, by doing so, made him accountable for his actions.
I'll say it one more time...I wasn't there but apparently the CHILD in question has accepted responsibility for whatever action he took by apologizing to his teammates (and he must have done something or he wouldn't have apologized) so that alone shows he learned something and has probably earned the respect of his coach and players. So, drive on #40, whoever you are, and develop a thick enough skin to not be "destroyed" by criticism but not so thick that you can't learn from it. God bless!

[jordibug15]

I hope number #40 keeps his head held high and goes out and plays like he knows he can tonight.
He is an amazing player and an amazing person to be around.
I would always love walking up to him at school and see his smile on his face it would always put a smile on mine even if something was wrong.
GOOD LUCK TONIGHT (:

[jordibug15]

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I was there last friday and I have to say it is great to hear that a player had that much respect for his coaches and fellow players.  I am sure he has learned from his mistake.  I do have a question though.  It looked like Jasper's #10 was talking to the official then the flag got thrown.  Was this the correct view or were the players talking to each other? Don't need any other information,  I just found it odd that the official would call such a penalty as a result of something he was told by a player.
[/quote]Most everyone saw that, my guess (that's all it is) is the official probably heard it and the player confirmed it. Also, "1Raider I KNOW you realize I was kidding when I said the Coach would have him runnning sprints until his 2nd year of college right? The players remorse at what he did is further evidence of how great a coach AC is and how much personal responsibility he instills in these boys. I have yet to talk to a player in the last 3 years that didn't display the utmost respect for me are others as older persons, it's always yes sir this and no sir that, the military could only do so well in teaching respect. If you could jar and sell what Coach Creduer and his staff teaches you could make millions and there'd be no more professional athletes getting away with all sorts of transgressions, just make them shoot the stuff up and tell them it'll make them faster/stronger.  ;) I can see it now, it could be called R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
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Yes, I AM VERY AWARE that it was simply a joke. I just think it is absolutely pitiful for adults to get on here and throw out jersey numbers, to make everyone well aware of who is being talked about, and make comments about them...I REALIZE that YOU AND OTHERS may not care all that much about children being taunted for posts made about them on here because this is just "TALK or GOSSIP," but I think it is downright wrong. That player was in the wrong for what he did, and he knows it...but he didn't need people on here writing about it and then someone bringing it in to the school grounds to be picked on for it. Now, that player held his head a little lower than he already had this week because the public made comments about him on here... Some of you may not care, but it would hurt my heart to know that a CHILD, with me being an ADULT...was hurt by my words and picked on because of my comment.

(ha)...oh and if you were in the schools you would know that NOT ALL children have respect for adults or even their coaches! I attend a lot of Raider events and have since I graduated from LHS and I can assure you the R.E.S.P.E.C.T is NOT given to all! Only some players, actually very few show it to elders. And this young man is one of the few that show R.E.S.P.E.C.T to his coaches and elders...but this time, the cards were flipped, it was the child being disrespected by an adult. People may not see it that way, but it is what the child felt...right? Or does it not matter that as a result of comments on here and jersey numbers thrown out that the child was hurt by and make fun of about...
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I agree with everything you said.
He is one of the only guys I know from the high school that shows respect to his elders. I just graduated from there last year and trust me most of the guys in that school need to learn respect. I'm very happy that I was able to go to school with him and see how some guys really do have respect for others. I'm not saying that he is the ONLY one that does but not many guys from the school does. He is one of the only guys from the high school that I will ever stand up for no matter what it was that happened. I love him and his family very much.

[Guest LR1969]

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Man...it seems like this has gotten blown out of proportion a little. I don't think Raideroldtimer was trying to "kill" a kids self-esteem with his comments. I wasn't there at the game so I'll give you that. But I do always respect a coach who comes down on a player who displays anything resembling unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, wasn't there so I don't know what happened. I'm just speaking generically. I will say this though; If my son ever crosses a line, I hope the coach calls him on it. And, if others talk about the mistake my son makes, I hope he learns from that experience/gossip that when he behaves irresponsibly, even in the heat of the moment, there are consequences. As for feeling HORRIBLE; we should feel horrible when we do the wrong thing, be it on the football field or in the workplace, etc. Obviously, we don't need to be reminded of it every day once we accept responsibility and move forward but the initial "horrible feeling" and the criticism is what helps us to not do that same thing again.
Life is full of ups and downs and many times we ourselves are responsible for the downs. And, criticism, even if it borders on gossip/opinion, serves to get us back on the correct path. It's called responsibility and it's one of the most important things a CHILD can take from his/her time on the athletic field. That same responsibility that this CHILD has apparently run afoul of during one moment of weakness will now make him a better person later in life (better employee, better man) simply because others, like Raideroldtimer, called him on it and, by doing so, made him accountable for his actions.
I'll say it one more time...I wasn't there but apparently the CHILD in question has accepted responsibility for whatever action he took by apologizing to his teammates (and he must have done something or he wouldn't have apologized) so that alone shows he learned something and has probably earned the respect of his coach and players. So, drive on #40, whoever you are, and develop a thick enough skin to not be "destroyed" by criticism but not so thick that you can't learn from it. God bless!
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I agree with you fully, and one day when I have children I will have the same outlook. But at 16 years old children have a lot to learn and some don't mature as fast as other, i'm sure as you know. The only thing that bothers me is joking or not from Raideroldtimer, the child was picked on about it...no one knows a child's story and what they go through everyday inside and even outside of school, therefore, NOTHING should be said on here unless it is positive about a player and that goes for ANY team. These kids get on here and read what adults post about them. As far as being blown out of proportion...that is just an opinion. People take things in different ways...me, I don't agree with this website unless it is all POSITIVE about a player. The child takes criticism very well, but leave it for the coaches who are with them through all the blood, sweat, and tears everyday throughout the season.
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I'm with ya!

[Bucof2010]

Why was raideroldtimers comment out of line? The player messed up and he mentioned it I know for a fact if a player from another team did the same you'll would be on here trashing him. But since this dude is a fan favorite or something you'll are dogging youlls biggest supporter on this board.

[raideroldtimer]

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Man...it seems like this has gotten blown out of proportion a little. I don't think Raideroldtimer was trying to "kill" a kids self-esteem with his comments. I wasn't there at the game so I'll give you that. But I do always respect a coach who comes down on a player who displays anything resembling unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, wasn't there so I don't know what happened. I'm just speaking generically. I will say this though; If my son ever crosses a line, I hope the coach calls him on it. And, if others talk about the mistake my son makes, I hope he learns from that experience/gossip that when he behaves irresponsibly, even in the heat of the moment, there are consequences. As for feeling HORRIBLE; we should feel horrible when we do the wrong thing, be it on the football field or in the workplace, etc. Obviously, we don't need to be reminded of it every day once we accept responsibility and move forward but the initial "horrible feeling" and the criticism is what helps us to not do that same thing again.
Life is full of ups and downs and many times we ourselves are responsible for the downs. And, criticism, even if it borders on gossip/opinion, serves to get us back on the correct path. It's called responsibility and it's one of the most important things a CHILD can take from his/her time on the athletic field. That same responsibility that this CHILD has apparently run afoul of during one moment of weakness will now make him a better person later in life (better employee, better man) simply because others, like Raideroldtimer, called him on it and, by doing so, made him accountable for his actions.
I'll say it one more time...I wasn't there but apparently the CHILD in question has accepted responsibility for whatever action he took by apologizing to his teammates (and he must have done something or he wouldn't have apologized) so that alone shows he learned something and has probably earned the respect of his coach and players. So, drive on #40, whoever you are, and develop a thick enough skin to not be "destroyed" by criticism but not so thick that you can't learn from it. God bless!
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I agree with you fully, and one day when I have children I will have the same outlook. But at 16 years old children have a lot to learn and some don't mature as fast as other, i'm sure as you know. The only thing that bothers me is joking or not from Raideroldtimer, the child was picked on about it...no one knows a child's story and what they go through everyday inside and even outside of school, therefore, NOTHING should be said on here unless it is positive about a player and that goes for ANY team. These kids get on here and read what adults post about them. As far as being blown out of proportion...that is just an opinion. People take things in different ways...me, I don't agree with this website unless it is all POSITIVE about a player. The child takes criticism very well, but leave it for the coaches who are with them through all the blood, sweat, and tears everyday throughout the season.
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I'm with ya!
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I'm just wondering why I'm being called out on this, I wasn't the first one to mention this young mans' number and frankly my original comment centered on the Jasper coaches need to talk to THEIR guy, you know, the one that actually hurt one of our players.

[Guest LR1969]

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Man...it seems like this has gotten blown out of proportion a little. I don't think Raideroldtimer was trying to "kill" a kids self-esteem with his comments. I wasn't there at the game so I'll give you that. But I do always respect a coach who comes down on a player who displays anything resembling unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, wasn't there so I don't know what happened. I'm just speaking generically. I will say this though; If my son ever crosses a line, I hope the coach calls him on it. And, if others talk about the mistake my son makes, I hope he learns from that experience/gossip that when he behaves irresponsibly, even in the heat of the moment, there are consequences. As for feeling HORRIBLE; we should feel horrible when we do the wrong thing, be it on the football field or in the workplace, etc. Obviously, we don't need to be reminded of it every day once we accept responsibility and move forward but the initial "horrible feeling" and the criticism is what helps us to not do that same thing again.
Life is full of ups and downs and many times we ourselves are responsible for the downs. And, criticism, even if it borders on gossip/opinion, serves to get us back on the correct path. It's called responsibility and it's one of the most important things a CHILD can take from his/her time on the athletic field. That same responsibility that this CHILD has apparently run afoul of during one moment of weakness will now make him a better person later in life (better employee, better man) simply because others, like Raideroldtimer, called him on it and, by doing so, made him accountable for his actions.
I'll say it one more time...I wasn't there but apparently the CHILD in question has accepted responsibility for whatever action he took by apologizing to his teammates (and he must have done something or he wouldn't have apologized) so that alone shows he learned something and has probably earned the respect of his coach and players. So, drive on #40, whoever you are, and develop a thick enough skin to not be "destroyed" by criticism but not so thick that you can't learn from it. God bless!
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I agree with you fully, and one day when I have children I will have the same outlook. But at 16 years old children have a lot to learn and some don't mature as fast as other, i'm sure as you know. The only thing that bothers me is joking or not from Raideroldtimer, the child was picked on about it...no one knows a child's story and what they go through everyday inside and even outside of school, therefore, NOTHING should be said on here unless it is positive about a player and that goes for ANY team. These kids get on here and read what adults post about them. As far as being blown out of proportion...that is just an opinion. People take things in different ways...me, I don't agree with this website unless it is all POSITIVE about a player. The child takes criticism very well, but leave it for the coaches who are with them through all the blood, sweat, and tears everyday throughout the season.
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I'm with ya!
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I'm just wondering why I'm being called out on this, I wasn't the first one to mention this young mans' number and frankly my original comment centered on the Jasper coaches need to talk to THEIR guy, you know, the one that actually hurt one of our players.
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Not sure brother. Wasn't there but I know you didn't mean anything by it. God bless!

[Guest #1raider]

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Man...it seems like this has gotten blown out of proportion a little. I don't think Raideroldtimer was trying to "kill" a kids self-esteem with his comments. I wasn't there at the game so I'll give you that. But I do always respect a coach who comes down on a player who displays anything resembling unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, wasn't there so I don't know what happened. I'm just speaking generically. I will say this though; If my son ever crosses a line, I hope the coach calls him on it. And, if others talk about the mistake my son makes, I hope he learns from that experience/gossip that when he behaves irresponsibly, even in the heat of the moment, there are consequences. As for feeling HORRIBLE; we should feel horrible when we do the wrong thing, be it on the football field or in the workplace, etc. Obviously, we don't need to be reminded of it every day once we accept responsibility and move forward but the initial "horrible feeling" and the criticism is what helps us to not do that same thing again.
Life is full of ups and downs and many times we ourselves are responsible for the downs. And, criticism, even if it borders on gossip/opinion, serves to get us back on the correct path. It's called responsibility and it's one of the most important things a CHILD can take from his/her time on the athletic field. That same responsibility that this CHILD has apparently run afoul of during one moment of weakness will now make him a better person later in life (better employee, better man) simply because others, like Raideroldtimer, called him on it and, by doing so, made him accountable for his actions.
I'll say it one more time...I wasn't there but apparently the CHILD in question has accepted responsibility for whatever action he took by apologizing to his teammates (and he must have done something or he wouldn't have apologized) so that alone shows he learned something and has probably earned the respect of his coach and players. So, drive on #40, whoever you are, and develop a thick enough skin to not be "destroyed" by criticism but not so thick that you can't learn from it. God bless!
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I agree with you fully, and one day when I have children I will have the same outlook. But at 16 years old children have a lot to learn and some don't mature as fast as other, i'm sure as you know. The only thing that bothers me is joking or not from Raideroldtimer, the child was picked on about it...no one knows a child's story and what they go through everyday inside and even outside of school, therefore, NOTHING should be said on here unless it is positive about a player and that goes for ANY team. These kids get on here and read what adults post about them. As far as being blown out of proportion...that is just an opinion. People take things in different ways...me, I don't agree with this website unless it is all POSITIVE about a player. The child takes criticism very well, but leave it for the coaches who are with them through all the blood, sweat, and tears everyday throughout the season.
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I'm with ya!
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I'm just wondering why I'm being called out on this, I wasn't the first one to mention this young mans' number and frankly my original comment centered on the Jasper coaches need to talk to THEIR guy, you know, the one that actually hurt one of our players.
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Not sure brother. Wasn't there but I know you didn't mean anything by it. God bless!
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:) Bottom line: This should have stayed on the field, in the locker room, and in the coaches office...not through the halls of LHS or in the aisles of Wal-Mart. From a coach to the public...leave your comments about players to yourselves, don't put jersey numbers on here. Coaches don't want to know your opinion or even how a situation should be handled and don't talk about players specifically on here, if you want a say so...come out and apply for a job. And note, you will NEVER catch me on here bashing another team, no matter the team. I know these boys go out hard everyday and work their butts off from their coaches, teammates, and fans! So disregard any "gossip" talk on here boys and play for yourselves, coaches, and teammates!!
And about the Jasper guy making a cheap shot...haven't all teams made a cheap shot? Unfortunately a great player may be out for the season, but everyone reaps what they sew!! You are all in my prayers! God Bless the children who get out there everyday and work their butts off and have to deal with all the outside crap that should stay on the field, in the locker room, or in the coaches office, and hats off to the Raider Football Staff as well!!
So Raider boys: FORGET this website and get out there and play hard and with heart!!  ;)

[Guest #1raider]

[quote name="Bucof2010" post="837387" timestamp="1283528021"]
Why was raideroldtimers comment out of line? The player messed up and he mentioned it I know for a fact if a player from another team did the same you'll would be on here trashing him. But since this dude is a fan favorite or something you'll are dogging youlls biggest supporter on this board.
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Never said he was a fan favorite :) Just sticking up for the kids who deserve it!! I will stick up for any Raider player, anytime!!

(And if you know who DID have this username then you may know some things for a FACT, but you don't know me...I can assure you of that, therefore if you were referring to knowing for a FACT that I would be on here "trashing him"...guess again)  :) And I don't you or the "Biggest Supporter," but I do know that if I got on here and gossiped or was called the "biggest supporter"...I would be all positive, even if the Raiders were to have a loosing season, or make a big mistake on the field. Everyone makes mistakes and MOST all learn from them...thank goodness! But these high school boys need someone standing behind them at all times helping lead them positively, and I will do that all through my times of being here...and that goes for every team in Southeast Texas!! Good Luck boys and I wish you ALL the BEST!! :)

[Raider81]

Let's all join hands and sing Kum Bi Ya, now.  And btw, are we planning to give out trophies and state titles to all the teams now, just to keep their self-esteem up?

Yes, positive reinforcement is a good thing, but so also, is learning to deal with criticism.  I don't think anyone here was too harsh on the boy.  I am sure he felt awful about it and beat himself up about it.  He wouldn't be a team player if he didn't.  But, there comes a time in a boy's life when it's time to put on his big boy drawers and stick his chin out and be a man.  This, in my opinion, is one of those times.  Yeah, he probably did get picked on about it, and would have whether this forum existed or not.  Believe me, kids got picked on for stuff like that back in the old days before the internet and cell phones and in the small town that Lumberton was then, EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING.  The kid learned a couple of tough lessons ... not to do what he did, and to live with the consequences of his mistake, which includes people talking about it and teasing him a bit about it.  He also learned that he will be forgiven and that life goes on.  That's life and now is the time in his to learn to deal with stuff like this.  Playing high school football is about far more than the game.  Every experience these kids have is helping to shape who they are and who they will become.  So tough lesson it was, but he needed it to help him grow.  He'll be a better person and a better man for it. 

[thetragichippy]

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Let's all join hands and sing Kum Bi Ya, now.  And btw, are we planning to give out trophies and state titles to all the teams now, just to keep their self-esteem up?

Yes, positive reinforcement is a good thing, but so also, is learning to deal with criticism.  I don't think anyone here was too harsh on the boy.  I am sure he felt awful about it and beat himself up about it.  He wouldn't be a team player if he didn't.  But, there comes a time in a boy's life when it's time to put on his big boy drawers and stick his chin out and be a man.  This, in my opinion, is one of those times.  Yeah, he probably did get picked on about it, and would have whether this forum existed or not.  Believe me, kids got picked on for stuff like that back in the old days before the internet and cell phones and in the small town that Lumberton was then, EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING.  The kid learned a couple of tough lessons ... not to do what he did, and to live with the consequences of his mistake, which includes people talking about it and teasing him a bit about it.  He also learned that he will be forgiven and that life goes on.  That's life and now is the time in his to learn to deal with stuff like this.  Playing high school football is about far more than the game.  Every experience these kids have is helping to shape who they are and who they will become.  So tough lesson it was, but he needed it to help him grow.  He'll be a better person and a better man for it.  


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[size=14pt][b]GREAT POST!![/b][/size]

The kid made a mistake and paid the price. I have read this PUBLIC forum and have not seen anything out of line. When something is said out of line, the moderators are not shy about locking a thread or deleting a post!  ;)

[raideroldtimer]

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[quote author=Raider81 link=topic=71996.msg837621#msg837621 date=1283545098]
Let's all join hands and sing Kum Bi Ya, now.  And btw, are we planning to give out trophies and state titles to all the teams now, just to keep their self-esteem up?

Yes, positive reinforcement is a good thing, but so also, is learning to deal with criticism.  I don't think anyone here was too harsh on the boy.  I am sure he felt awful about it and beat himself up about it.  He wouldn't be a team player if he didn't.  But, there comes a time in a boy's life when it's time to put on his big boy drawers and stick his chin out and be a man.  This, in my opinion, is one of those times.  Yeah, he probably did get picked on about it, and would have whether this forum existed or not.  Believe me, kids got picked on for stuff like that back in the old days before the internet and cell phones and in the small town that Lumberton was then, EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING.  The kid learned a couple of tough lessons ... not to do what he did, and to live with the consequences of his mistake, which includes people talking about it and teasing him a bit about it.  He also learned that he will be forgiven and that life goes on.  That's life and now is the time in his to learn to deal with stuff like this.  Playing high school football is about far more than the game.  Every experience these kids have is helping to shape who they are and who they will become.  So tough lesson it was, but he needed it to help him grow.  He'll be a better person and a better man for it.  


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[size=14pt][b]GREAT POST!![/b][/size]

The kid made a mistake and paid the price. I have read this PUBLIC forum and have not seen anything out of line. When something is said out of line, the moderators are not shy about locking a thread or deleting a post!  ;)
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Like I said...the child takes criticism very well...if you knew the children you would know!! THE POINT OF THE WHOLE ISSUE IS THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT IN THE LOCKER ROOM, ON THE FIELD, AND IN THE COACHES OFFICE!!! I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE MYSELF MUCH MORE CLEAR!!! NOT THAT ANY OF YOU CARE, BUT THE THINGS THAT YOU PEOPLE POST ON HERE...OTHER CHILDREN FEED OFF OF TO PICK ON KIDS!!!! SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE A HEART WATCH WHAT YOU SAY ON HERE...AND DON'T BE SPECIFIC ON A CHILD!! ANY CHILD, AT ALL. NOT JUST THIS ONE BOY!!
And no for your information...it wasn't necessarily out of line...just made a mistake in thinking you people may actually be considerate and not be specific on players, but I was wrong. Ya'll get so caught up in this like children, yet I have heard that that is all that the little town of Lumberton has become, unfortunately...drama fest. Happily moved away from there many years ago...

So ya'll all go along together and sing your little songs...like children :)

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[quote author=thetragichippy link=topic=71996.msg837647#msg837647 date=1283546625]
[quote author=Raider81 link=topic=71996.msg837621#msg837621 date=1283545098]
Let's all join hands and sing Kum Bi Ya, now.  And btw, are we planning to give out trophies and state titles to all the teams now, just to keep their self-esteem up?

Yes, positive reinforcement is a good thing, but so also, is learning to deal with criticism.  I don't think anyone here was too harsh on the boy.  I am sure he felt awful about it and beat himself up about it.  He wouldn't be a team player if he didn't.  But, there comes a time in a boy's life when it's time to put on his big boy drawers and stick his chin out and be a man.  This, in my opinion, is one of those times.  Yeah, he probably did get picked on about it, and would have whether this forum existed or not.  Believe me, kids got picked on for stuff like that back in the old days before the internet and cell phones and in the small town that Lumberton was then, EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING.  The kid learned a couple of tough lessons ... not to do what he did, and to live with the consequences of his mistake, which includes people talking about it and teasing him a bit about it.  He also learned that he will be forgiven and that life goes on.  That's life and now is the time in his to learn to deal with stuff like this.  Playing high school football is about far more than the game.  Every experience these kids have is helping to shape who they are and who they will become.  So tough lesson it was, but he needed it to help him grow.  He'll be a better person and a better man for it. 


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[size=14pt][b]GREAT POST!![/b][/size]

The kid made a mistake and paid the price. I have read this PUBLIC forum and have not seen anything out of line. When something is said out of line, the moderators are not shy about locking a thread or deleting a post!  ;)
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Like I said...the child takes criticism very well...if you knew the children you would know!! THE POINT OF THE WHOLE ISSUE IS THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT IN THE LOCKER ROOM, ON THE FIELD, AND IN THE COACHES OFFICE!!! I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE MYSELF MUCH MORE CLEAR!!! NOT THAT ANY OF YOU CARE, BUT THE THINGS THAT YOU PEOPLE POST ON HERE...OTHER CHILDREN FEED OFF OF TO PICK ON KIDS!!!! SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE A HEART WATCH WHAT YOU SAY ON HERE...AND DON'T BE SPECIFIC ON A CHILD!! ANY CHILD, AT ALL. NOT JUST THIS ONE BOY!!
And no for your information...it wasn't necessarily out of line...just made a mistake in thinking you people may actually be considerate and not be specific on players, but I was wrong. Ya'll get so caught up in this like children, yet I have heard that that is all that the little town of Lumberton has become, unfortunately...drama fest. Happily moved away from there many years ago...

So ya'll all go along together and sing your little songs...like children :)
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Sorry this has become such a fester for you but the fact is: Kid made mistake and kid was called on it. Kid has learned his lesson and it won't happen again. It's a chain and it's worked since the dawn of time and it will work this time as well. The problem with our country right now is that no one wants to take responsibility for their actions. I applaud the kid in question for standing up and taking responsibility for his mistake. Don't spoil that by coddling him and putting him in a plastic bubble. Growth doesn't come without pain and maturity is not reached if those who are supposed to care about you stunt your growth by "protecting" you from the very things that make you a better person. And, just to make the point; we're not talking about Pop Warner football here. This is not a 10-year old kid. This is a kid on the verge of manhood. Although some discretion is still needed when dealing with teenagers, don't forget that there are teenagers on the front line right now in Afghanistan who deal with far more than this on a daily basis. I hope, for their sake, that they have received enough "criticism" in their lives to have the fortitude to deal with far more important things than a mistake on a football field. It just may be that the football field, and what they learned there (good and bad) is what keeps many of them going each day and allows their buddies to sleep well at night knowing they can be depended on when the bullets start flying.
Again, I applaud the kid in question. If you're reading this; DON'T beat yourself up over it. We all make mistakes but we have to learn from those mistakes and move on. Be proud of yourself for doing that and walk onto the field tonight with your head held high.
As for people being childish. I agree with you that, at times, people on here can be just that. This is NOT one of those situations and I don't think attacking our community is outside the realm of "CHILDISH behavior" either. God bless!

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[quote author=Raider81 link=topic=71996.msg837621#msg837621 date=1283545098]
Let's all join hands and sing Kum Bi Ya, now.  And btw, are we planning to give out trophies and state titles to all the teams now, just to keep their self-esteem up?

Yes, positive reinforcement is a good thing, but so also, is learning to deal with criticism.  I don't think anyone here was too harsh on the boy.  I am sure he felt awful about it and beat himself up about it.  He wouldn't be a team player if he didn't.  But, there comes a time in a boy's life when it's time to put on his big boy drawers and stick his chin out and be a man.  This, in my opinion, is one of those times.  Yeah, he probably did get picked on about it, and would have whether this forum existed or not.  Believe me, kids got picked on for stuff like that back in the old days before the internet and cell phones and in the small town that Lumberton was then, EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING.  The kid learned a couple of tough lessons ... not to do what he did, and to live with the consequences of his mistake, which includes people talking about it and teasing him a bit about it.  He also learned that he will be forgiven and that life goes on.  That's life and now is the time in his to learn to deal with stuff like this.  Playing high school football is about far more than the game.  Every experience these kids have is helping to shape who they are and who they will become.  So tough lesson it was, but he needed it to help him grow.  He'll be a better person and a better man for it. 


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[size=14pt][b]GREAT POST!![/b][/size]

The kid made a mistake and paid the price. I have read this PUBLIC forum and have not seen anything out of line. When something is said out of line, the moderators are not shy about locking a thread or deleting a post!  ;)
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Like I said...the child takes criticism very well...if you knew the children you would know!! THE POINT OF THE WHOLE ISSUE IS THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT IN THE LOCKER ROOM, ON THE FIELD, AND IN THE COACHES OFFICE!!! I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE MYSELF MUCH MORE CLEAR!!! NOT THAT ANY OF YOU CARE, BUT THE THINGS THAT YOU PEOPLE POST ON HERE...OTHER CHILDREN FEED OFF OF TO PICK ON KIDS!!!! SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE A HEART WATCH WHAT YOU SAY ON HERE...AND DON'T BE SPECIFIC ON A CHILD!! ANY CHILD, AT ALL. NOT JUST THIS ONE BOY!!
And no for your information...it wasn't necessarily out of line...just made a mistake in thinking you people may actually be considerate and not be specific on players, but I was wrong. Ya'll get so caught up in this like children, yet I have heard that that is all that the little town of Lumberton has become, unfortunately...drama fest. Happily moved away from there many years ago...

So ya'll all go along together and sing your little songs...like children :)
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Sorry this has become such a fester for you but the fact is: Kid made mistake and kid was called on it. Kid has learned his lesson and it won't happen again. It's a chain and it's worked since the dawn of time and it will work this time as well. The problem with our country right now is that no one wants to take responsibility for their actions. I applaud the kid in question for standing up and taking responsibility for his mistake. Don't spoil that by coddling him and putting him in a plastic bubble. Growth doesn't come without pain and maturity is not reached if those who are supposed to care about you stunt your growth by "protecting" you from the very things that make you a better person. And, just to make the point; we're not talking about Pop Warner football here. This is not a 10-year old kid. This is a kid on the verge of manhood. Although some discretion is still needed when dealing with teenagers, don't forget that there are teenagers on the front line right now in Afghanistan who deal with far more than this on a daily basis. I hope, for their sake, that they have received enough "criticism" in their lives to have the fortitude to deal with far more important things than a mistake on a football field. It just may be that the football field, and what they learned there (good and bad) is what keeps many of them going each day and allows their buddies to sleep well at night knowing they can be depended on when the bullets start flying.
Again, I applaud the kid in question. If you're reading this; DON'T beat yourself up over it. We all make mistakes but we have to learn from those mistakes and move on. Be proud of yourself for doing that and walk onto the field tonight with your head held high.
As for people being childish. I agree with you that, at times, people on here can be just that. This is NOT one of those situations and I don't think attacking our community is outside the realm of "CHILDISH behavior" either. God bless!
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True. I guess I am just partial to children, being that I just recently lost my 17 year old son due to a suicide, because of taunting so I tend to take things with children personal...
I do not know this child or for that matter, anyone from Lumberton, much less know where it is.
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Sorry for your loss. Can't say I know what you're going through and I can't imagine having to deal with it. I will definitely remember you in my prayers tonight. As for taunting; I agree. But, I do feel that this is a different type of "taunting" (assuming your childs case didn't involve an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and the after shock of that mistake). Besides, it's one thing to be "taunted" for things that are beyond your control (appearance/social status/beliefs, etc.) than to be "taunted" for what you do and say. Either way, it can cross the line from fair criticism to true taunting but, if it is the result of your own actions, a fair amount should be expected. Not sure why your child was taunted but, regardless of why, it must have gone beyond "fair criticism" so I feel for you and I hope those accountable have accepted the responsibility.
Again, I'm sorry for your loss and I appreciate your input. God bless!

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I was there last friday and I have to say it is great to hear that a player had that much respect for his coaches and fellow players.  I am sure he has learned from his mistake.  I do have a question though.  It looked like Jasper's #10 was talking to the official then the flag got thrown.  Was this the correct view or were the players talking to each other? Don't need any other information,  I just found it odd that the official would call such a penalty as a result of something he was told by a player.
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My understanding, straight from #40's mouth, is that the ref heard him call the name. He has gotten past it with the help of a coach that he has a special connection with ("G") and it will never happen again. He learned a life lesson. Enough said, let's all let it go. 

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[quote name="#1raider" post="837725" timestamp="1283550752"]
[quote author=thetragichippy link=topic=71996.msg837647#msg837647 date=1283546625]
[quote author=Raider81 link=topic=71996.msg837621#msg837621 date=1283545098]
Let's all join hands and sing Kum Bi Ya, now.  And btw, are we planning to give out trophies and state titles to all the teams now, just to keep their self-esteem up?

Yes, positive reinforcement is a good thing, but so also, is learning to deal with criticism.  I don't think anyone here was too harsh on the boy.  I am sure he felt awful about it and beat himself up about it.  He wouldn't be a team player if he didn't.  But, there comes a time in a boy's life when it's time to put on his big boy drawers and stick his chin out and be a man.  This, in my opinion, is one of those times.  Yeah, he probably did get picked on about it, and would have whether this forum existed or not.  Believe me, kids got picked on for stuff like that back in the old days before the internet and cell phones and in the small town that Lumberton was then, EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING.  The kid learned a couple of tough lessons ... not to do what he did, and to live with the consequences of his mistake, which includes people talking about it and teasing him a bit about it.  He also learned that he will be forgiven and that life goes on.  That's life and now is the time in his to learn to deal with stuff like this.  Playing high school football is about far more than the game.  Every experience these kids have is helping to shape who they are and who they will become.  So tough lesson it was, but he needed it to help him grow.  He'll be a better person and a better man for it.  


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[size=14pt][b]GREAT POST!![/b][/size]

The kid made a mistake and paid the price. I have read this PUBLIC forum and have not seen anything out of line. When something is said out of line, the moderators are not shy about locking a thread or deleting a post!  ;)
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Like I said...the child takes criticism very well...if you knew the children you would know!! THE POINT OF THE WHOLE ISSUE IS THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN KEPT IN THE LOCKER ROOM, ON THE FIELD, AND IN THE COACHES OFFICE!!! I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE MYSELF MUCH MORE CLEAR!!! NOT THAT ANY OF YOU CARE, BUT THE THINGS THAT YOU PEOPLE POST ON HERE...OTHER CHILDREN FEED OFF OF TO PICK ON KIDS!!!! SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE A HEART WATCH WHAT YOU SAY ON HERE...AND DON'T BE SPECIFIC ON A CHILD!! ANY CHILD, AT ALL. NOT JUST THIS ONE BOY!!
And no for your information...it wasn't necessarily out of line...just made a mistake in thinking you people may actually be considerate and not be specific on players, but I was wrong. Ya'll get so caught up in this like children, yet I have heard that that is all that the little town of Lumberton has become, unfortunately...drama fest. Happily moved away from there many years ago...

So ya'll all go along together and sing your little songs...like children :)
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I am not heartless nor inconsiderate of this kid or any other kid.  I happen to be raising a 15 year old boy myself.  His father abandoned him and his sister years ago, so I'm doing this pretty much by myself.  I have no teenage angst and drama from either of my children.  They are well-mannered, responsible and respectful so I'd have to say I'm doing a pretty damn good job.  They have no sense of entitlement like so many kids today.  So this idea you continue to float about this having to be left at the school and not discussed by the community, and not unkindly, to me is ludicrous.  It is exactly this sort of molly-coddling that is all too common these days.  What you have here is not people being inconsiderdate, unkind or childish.  It is your continued insistence that we are all wrong and you are the only one who is right that is childish.  This boy needs no defense from you, because no one thinks badly of him at all.  This is all in your mind and you are blowing it completely out of proportion.

#40, you screwed up.  No big deal.  It's over and no one thinks ill of you.  You came back and played a great game last night against Barber's Hill.  Good job.  We're ALL proud of you and your team mates.