I finally figured out why some teams will never win!!! The parents!!!!

[thetragichippy]

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[quote author=beechnut link=topic=72842.msg845197#msg845197 date=1284259009]
If the only thing that you can call me out on is my spelling on a sports forum life is good. Why dont you come over and play you in a game of scramble. Darts, pool or horeshoes? 8)
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8) How about some washers or maybe [b]foosball. [/b] Will play you in any of the above.  Good post. ;D ;D
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No we are talking........let's get a [b]foosball tourney [/b] going.........

8) 8) 8)

[thetragichippy]

[quote name="elhector1" post="845369" timestamp="1284295661"]
I'll offer my perspective from the various "hats" I have worn in life...

As a parent, I have let my children be individuals, not carbon copies of me (thank God!  Iwas 125 lbs., soaking wet, in high school as a senior...combined with Coke bottle glasses and buck teeth, that made for an interesting picture.)  My oldest, now an accountant, played high school football from 8th grade to 10th grade.  HE decided that he could make a greater contribution to the team by being off of it and letting someone with more ability, but a lower grade classification, take the spot he was occupying.  My contribution while he played was to be the loudest supporter for the "D" line, to the point where I gave his coaches a chuckle on game films. My middle son lettered in baseball his junior and senior year.  Every season began with the same question..."you still wanna play?"  My daughter is not interested in sports. 

As a coach (volunteer Pop Warner and Little League) I have had the opportunity to coach great little guys that became fine young men.  A couple of the ones I coached are in D-1 schools, one is at Lamar University, and one is in the NFL.  None of them are there because I coached them.  They are there because you had a wonderful combination of parents who worked in conjunction with the coaches, from little kid to high school.  Parents that KNEW the coaches job was to coach, and their job was to parent.  Parents who led by example.  Coaches are there to win the games (and occasionally, teach history).  They can have the most knowledgeable history students, but the school faithful demand wins.  They do scream...they don't have the luxury of a Britney Spears flesh toned microphone that can make them heard over the [size=14pt]LOUDNESS[/size] of a typical game.  They have to yell instructions to kids who are thinking about the date after the game with that hot cheerleader (or a reasonable approximation thereof).  No wins?  Coaches get fired...No wins and lousy ADs?  Coaches get fired faster...Coaches are handed a bunch of kids, and each skills group is handled by an assistant.  With a large group of kids, there is no time to be "individual"..a coaching style will be a coaching style.  As a parent you have to accept the loudness and the brusqueness of a coach...physical assault?  Okay, no, but being loud and obnoxious? 

In my third hat, as a clergyman who works with youth, I get to see the kids.  Not all of them are angels, but by and large, they are good kids.  I can tell though, when kids have "freinds" instead of parents.  These kids have no limits.  I can also tell when kids feel they are being used to relive "dad's glory days".  The package is sold as a "benefit" for the kid, but they realize they are being used.  The hardest part of this is when the kid graduates, because their worth is no longer evident to glory day parents.

Pretty much, parents can't rely on coaches to be their kid's "buddy".  They are there to coach a team, not build lasting freindships into the future.  And parents, if you want to see the face of "ugly parenting"...turn on ESPN anytime Craig James is on... 
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GREAT GREAT POST!!!!!

[Gasilla]

[quote name="elhector1" post="845369" timestamp="1284295661"]
I'll offer my perspective from the various "hats" I have worn in life...

As a parent, I have let my children be individuals, not carbon copies of me (thank God!  Iwas 125 lbs., soaking wet, in high school as a senior...combined with Coke bottle glasses and buck teeth, that made for an interesting picture.)  My oldest, now an accountant, played high school football from 8th grade to 10th grade.  HE decided that he could make a greater contribution to the team by being off of it and letting someone with more ability, but a lower grade classification, take the spot he was occupying.  My contribution while he played was to be the loudest supporter for the "D" line, to the point where I gave his coaches a chuckle on game films. My middle son lettered in baseball his junior and senior year.  Every season began with the same question..."you still wanna play?"  My daughter is not interested in sports. 

As a coach (volunteer Pop Warner and Little League) I have had the opportunity to coach great little guys that became fine young men.  A couple of the ones I coached are in D-1 schools, one is at Lamar University, and one is in the NFL.  None of them are there because I coached them.  They are there because you had a wonderful combination of parents who worked in conjunction with the coaches, from little kid to high school.  Parents that KNEW the coaches job was to coach, and their job was to parent.  Parents who led by example.  Coaches are there to win the games (and occasionally, teach history).  They can have the most knowledgeable history students, but the school faithful demand wins.  They do scream...they don't have the luxury of a Britney Spears flesh toned microphone that can make them heard over the [size=14pt]LOUDNESS[/size] of a typical game.  They have to yell instructions to kids who are thinking about the date after the game with that hot cheerleader (or a reasonable approximation thereof).  No wins?  Coaches get fired...No wins and lousy ADs?  Coaches get fired faster...Coaches are handed a bunch of kids, and each skills group is handled by an assistant.  With a large group of kids, there is no time to be "individual"..a coaching style will be a coaching style.  As a parent you have to accept the loudness and the brusqueness of a coach...physical assault?  Okay, no, but being loud and obnoxious? 

In my third hat, as a clergyman who works with youth, I get to see the kids.  Not all of them are angels, but by and large, they are good kids.  I can tell though, when kids have "freinds" instead of parents.  These kids have no limits.  I can also tell when kids feel they are being used to relive "dad's glory days".  The package is sold as a "benefit" for the kid, but they realize they are being used.  The hardest part of this is when the kid graduates, because their worth is no longer evident to glory day parents.

Pretty much, parents can't rely on coaches to be their kid's "buddy".  They are there to coach a team, not build lasting freindships into the future.  And parents, if you want to see the face of "ugly parenting"...turn on ESPN anytime Craig James is on... 
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One of the best posts ever!

[Guest jhamilton]

Hmm elector is ur thesis? Hard to read driving down the road. We don't need books fellers pls. Keep it short and to the point.

[poseidon]

[b]but if they do the work, then they will rise to the top[/b]. [b]They will be one of the 11.[/b] If not join the BAND and root and wish.
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Sorry to post off subject but I have heard this statement all my life and it only works for kids with the athletic ability to be a starter.  If every thing is equal of course the person who puts in the work is going to come out on top, but things are usually not equal.  In most positions on a football team natural athletic ability will win out over hard work without the athletic ability.  Hard work will put you on the team, but not necessary make you one of the starters.

[tnt_mom]

[quote name="magnus1on1" post="844715" timestamp="1284235885"]
I'm not sure if I understand you.  Are you saying that coaches should allow parents to tell them how to coach their child?  That's absurd!!!  How about this, coaches should start telling parents how to raise their children.  Let's see how well that goes over. 
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What Im saying is that the parents may a better way of teaching their child.... Maybe with less screaming and hollering and more control of your emotions when trying to teach a kid and I'm reffering to pratices not games. If kids are not prepared for game time then the coaches have not prepared them properly.

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There comes a time when Little Johnnie, or Jenny for that matter, has to learn to deal with the coaches way of coaching.  Time to man up and quit relying on parents to take care of them.  

[magnus1on1]

There comes a time when Little Johnnie, or Jenny for that matter, has to learn to deal with the coaches way of coaching.  Time to man up and quit relying on parents to take care of them.  
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Let me give you a good example... Th team that I help coached last year had some not so talented kids on he team but we did not sit there and scream and holler at them when they screwed up we took time to show them and allow the kids to see that we wanted to teach them and not just coach them..  we only lost two close games.. That same team this year has lost their first two game by 30 or more points and all their coaches do is scream and holler at these kids. Kids do mentally get worn out but most coaches don't care!!

I think a parent has all the right to get involed because we pay the coaches salary.. especially once they enter middle school or high school!!

[pirate68]

[quote name="magnus1on1" post="845488" timestamp="1284312622"]
There comes a time when Little Johnnie, or Jenny for that matter, has to learn to deal with the coaches way of coaching.  Time to man up and quit relying on parents to take care of them.  
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Let me give you a good example... Th team that I help coached last year had some not so talented kids on he team but we did not sit there and scream and holler at them when they screwed up we took time to show them and allow the kids to see that we wanted to teach them and not just coach them..  we only lost two close games.. That same team this year has lost their first two game by 30 or more points and all their coaches do is scream and holler at these kids. Kids do mentally get worn out but most coaches don't care!!

I think a parent has all the right to get involed because we pay the coaches salary.. especially once they enter middle school or high school!!
[/quote]Wrong in my book..Just because your taxes help pay his wages that does not mean your his boss and can have input in his decision making on how he coaches...The administration of whatever district he works for is his boss and is elected by people in that district. If people do not like they way teachers teach or coaches coach, run for a position on the school board. If your elected that means people agree with your views if not move to a district that suits your liberal views...Of course this is my opinion and I do not expect everyone to agree with it,but unlike some people I am okay with that.

[Kville_Kats]

You know a thread like this to put it in (Piney Woods terms) is kinda like wiping your tail with a wagon wheel they ain't no end to it..You keep hearing the same arguement just in a differen't format.. ;D

[elhector1]

we kind of need to subdivide things here, magnus...

As a volunteer coach, I had time to coach "quietly" because I was in charge of 15-16 kids.  It's not a bad idea in Pop Warner and Youth football.  However, comparing a volunteer coaching gig to a head coach gig is light years of difference.  When they are young, you are a god, and they hang on your every word.

In high school, heck, even junior high, they have other things on their mind, and there are a lot more of them.  A coach has to shout to be heard. 

And beechnut, you are pretty much what?  Another poster?  I will let my fellow posters decide whether my post made sense, and also let them decide the "wisdom" of your actions.

[pirate68]

[quote name="beechnut" post="845466" timestamp="1284307483"]
Hmm elector is ur thesis? Hard to read driving down the road. We don't need books fellers pls. Keep it short and to the point.
[/quote]I had no idea that someone at setxsports made you the post police...Here's an idea, If you do not like reading long, well thought out post, don't do it.

[bigdaddyblue]

The hardest belt wuppin i ever got was from our next door neighbor cause i rang his door bell,he was a day sleeper..Went home and told my daddy and he whipped me for ringing the door bell..I bet most of you on here would get a lawyer and sue...Thats the problem we have today in our schools and athletics...Its amazing some of you on here can say please don't yell at my little Johnnnie he is only 17..These moms need to pull the udder out these kids mouths..Really amazing alot of our front line troops in WWII were teenagers..Now its please don't yell or cuss at my little Johhnie...

[Tyrone_Biggums]

My 2 year old can beat up your 2 year old.

[venom33]

[quote name="beechnut" post="845466" timestamp="1284307483"]
Hmm elector is ur thesis? Hard to read driving down the road. We don't need books fellers pls. Keep it short and to the point.
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so you read his "thesis" while driving down the road???  IDIOT!  >:(

[Kville_Kats]

[quote name="bigdaddyblue" post="845636" timestamp="1284326028"]
The hardest belt wuppin i ever got was from our next door neighbor cause i rang his door bell,he was a day sleeper..Went home and told my daddy and he whipped me for ringing the door bell..I bet most of you on here would get a lawyer and sue...Thats the problem we have today in our schools and athletics...Its amazing some of you on here can say please don't yell at my little Johnnnie he is only 17..These moms need to pull the udder out these kids mouths..Really amazing alot of our front line troops in WWII were teenagers..Now its please don't yell or cuss at my little Johhnie...
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Kinda reminds me of my two Sons they did allright in School,but as they got a little older the ancient urge to challenge and break home rules showed up..It was the house rule on telephone useage that set it off..I told my youngest Son because of the hours I worked no calls after 9:00 pm...After several attempts by him  to use the phone after 9:00,I got a little aggrevated I jerked the phone from his hand,It fell and hit his foot,He said I'm gonna call CHILD ABUSE on you...I told him you go right ahead and call them,And I can guarantee you one thing,By the time they get here you will have a pretty good case to file...He never tried to use the phone again... ;D

[w]

Kids WANT and NEED consistency.  If you are loud with one kid, you dang well better be loud with another kid, not soft-spoken.  The quickest way for kids to lose respect is for someone to show favoritism.  That's also the quickest way to get them to quit playing for you.  Everybody should be treated the same.  Have the rules sent home at the beginning of the year, with the punishment listed, have the parents sign it and send it back.  If someone doesn't agree with the rules, then take their child elsewhere.  ABIDE by the rules, though.  If a rule is broken, enforce it with whatever the punishment is.  Same with child-rearing.  You can't let a broken rule go by one time and then expect to enforce it the next time.  Kids are smarter than people give them credit.  They will use you and abuse you if you allow it. 

[Guest bleed orange]

My head hurts from reading all this. Pretty much want to puke from reading some of these post. By the way I am "Old School" pretty much tells you the post that makes me want to puke. Some of these post sounds like they were wrote by woman or Liberals. ;D ;D

[thetragichippy]

[quote name="bleed orange" post="845759" timestamp="1284336782"]
My head hurts from reading all this. Pretty much want to puke from reading some of these post. By the way I am "Old School" pretty much tells you the post that makes me want to puke. Some of these post sounds like they were wrote by woman or Liberals. ;D ;D
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:o

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[D-VILLE]

[quote name="thetragichippy" post="845766" timestamp="1284337545"]
[quote author=bleed orange link=topic=72842.msg845759#msg845759 date=1284336782]
My head hurts from reading all this. Pretty much want to puke from reading some of these post. By the way I am "Old School" pretty much tells you the post that makes me want to puke. Some of these post sounds like they were wrote by woman or Liberals. ;D ;D
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:o

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;D

[FootballFan96]

personally, i think every player should be played......before Varsity.
you dont get college scholarships playing the Freshman team or JV... the lower levels you are looking for potential to "replenish the ranks"...
Varsity and higher you are going to play your star athletes to try your hardest to get to the next level, to benefit the school and the players on the field.
the closer to state you get, the more recognized the players and the school become...

[MUSTANGPRIDE]

[quote name="Kville_Kats" post="844789" timestamp="1284240518"]
[quote author=bleed orange link=topic=72842.msg844763#msg844763 date=1284239198]
If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen. ;) Many of these kids today could not play for the coaches we had in the 70's. Back when I played parents never went to the head coach and complained. They knew better because that coach would have told them to hit the street and take your son with you. Now days a head coaches office is like a revolving door. It never stops.
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AMEN!!!!!!

You nailed it... ;)
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[FootballFan96]

Football is a contact sport...
if you cant handle a coach yelling at you (which most of the time he yells to be heard or the players are playing around) then how can you handle a complete stranger, from a school miles away, hitting you in the chin for an hour every friday night and just man handling you? momma and daddy gonna come out on the field and yell at that other player?

get off the field if you cant handle it...

this thread is getting ridiculous.

[bronco1]

Football is a violent sport, violence rules the field. A player must be ferocious regardless of position. Raised voices, rants, and rebukes are a part of this sport. Soccer(kickball) may be a good option to avoid that atmosphere.

[elhector1]

[quote name="bronco1" post="846370" timestamp="1284392713"]
Football is a violent sport, violence rules the field. A player must be ferocious regardless of position. Raised voices, rants, and rebukes are a part of this sport. Soccer(kickball) may be a good option to avoid that atmosphere.
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Kickball, okay.  But soccer, at leasst the soccer (futbol) I know, is played as hard, physical, and violent as any football game, except without the pads, and the frequent stoppage in play.  You all want to compare the way youth league soccer is played to the way high school and college football is played.  Compare apples to apples.  Youth football and youth soccer is all about fundamentals and making kids feel good.  Neither one reflects the reality of either sport in high school, college and the pros.  In fact, if some of the "poor little Johnny" moms went to a real soccer game, they would get beat up... 

[Kville_Kats]

[quote name="FootballFan96" post="846338" timestamp="1284389827"]
Football is a contact sport...
if you cant handle a coach yelling at you (which most of the time he yells to be heard or the players are playing around) then how can you handle a complete stranger, from a school miles away, hitting you in the chin for an hour every friday night and just man handling you? momma and daddy gonna come out on the field and yell at that other player?

get off the field if you cant handle it...

this thread is getting ridiculous.
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  Wayyyyyyyyyy too many John Boy Walton journalists... ;D