GCM Patriots

[bronco1]

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[quote author=Kenny Powers link=topic=73967.msg868586#msg868586 date=1286543800]
Maybe the larger issue is that Baytown doesnt have any true feeder schools at the junior high level where the kids can connect and dream about playing for their high school coach.
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I totally agree with this statement.  We have a huge problem with this.  I know we have a 3 high school district but the district needs to set something up where the Jr High coaches have to be under the High School coach they are feeding to.  Right now im pretty sure they can do whatever they want.  So school like Dayton and Crosby and Barbers Hill already have a 2 year if not more head start because our kids dont learn a system or a coach till their freshmen year.
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I hear the coaches at GCM are getting more involved down at the JR High level. I hope this continues and I hope that at the very least there is one coach down there that can teach the kids some fundamental before reaching the high school.
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the GCM coaches have done nothing with the Highlands group and they are getting spanked. Someone posted on here that Dayton beat them 56-6 on the 8th grade a level.
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Score was correct but, Highlands appeared to have a good group of athletes. Lots of talent but very unorganized.

[baypat]

QB good luck with your freshman.  But those with older boys have watch quite a few start as freshman and love the game.  To reach Jr or Sr year and not liking the game anymore because of coaches.  Yes that happens every where.  Heck even on drill team.  ;D    Sadly it looks to be a long sad last half of the season.  And last years "winning season" was what place?  3rd and 4th (even though they go to playoffs) is not even close to being called District Champs.

[QB01]

Hey Cbear,

Im going to have to agree with you a little bit after watching last nights game.  I think there was more excitement than what i have seen before after some of the positive plays and tackles.  The problem i see when you are talking about coaches, is more with the position coaches.  When the offense comes off, the two coaches that coach the OLine and WR always have their kids over on the benches talking about adjustments and what went wrong.  I dont know who the running backs coach is but he seems to be the one that is never making corrections or talking to his guys about whats going on.  The coach that coaches the secondary was fired up.  I can see some of your points but i dont think as a whole the staff is wrong, maybe one or two.

Hey BayPat,

Why do you have to critize that they made the playoffs.  The school is only in its 3rd year.  Its not like it has a long standing tradition or anything to pull from.  The kids are trying to start something.  You make it the playoffs in 3rd or 4th spot a couple years and try to build from there.  Yes every one wants to win the District Championship every year but 4th is better than sitting at home.  There were some teams that go a few rounds finishing 3rd in there district before.  The tradition has to start somewhere and the logical place to me is we make the play offs in any spot several years in a row building that spirit.  I dont see us going from being brand new to the number one spot.

The biggest thing is that these kids need our support at home, not us telling them that well if you had better coaches or if the coach did this you would have been better.  Tell them great effort, need a solid week of practice, and lay it on the line for the team.

[gary-us-bonds]

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[quote author=Kenny Powers link=topic=73967.msg868586#msg868586 date=1286543800]
Maybe the larger issue is that Baytown doesnt have any true feeder schools at the junior high level where the kids can connect and dream about playing for their high school coach.
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I totally agree with this statement.  We have a huge problem with this.  I know we have a 3 high school district but the district needs to set something up where the Jr High coaches have to be under the High School coach they are feeding to.  Right now im pretty sure they can do whatever they want.  So school like Dayton and Crosby and Barbers Hill already have a 2 year if not more head start because our kids dont learn a system or a coach till their freshmen year.
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I hear the coaches at GCM are getting more involved down at the JR High level. I hope this continues and I hope that at the very least there is one coach down there that can teach the kids some fundamental before reaching the high school.
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the GCM coaches have done nothing with the Highlands group and they are getting spanked. Someone posted on here that Dayton beat them 56-6 on the 8th grade a level.
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Score was correct but, Highlands appeared to have a good group of athletes. Lots of talent but very unorganized.
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That statement sums up the whole Goose Creek athletic program. lol

[cbear4]

I actually like the intensity last night in the first half and I did not see anyone quit in this game. We have to make adjustments and realize what the other team is doing. Absolutely no outside containment in 2nd half. Our guys do not know how to take on a block and still contain outside. Quit running upfield for gods sake.

[cbear4]

As much as I want to criticize our lack of offensive production, I will try and contain myself. What is up with being so conservative. Going with a Soph at QB, go ahead but let him get in the pistol and see the field. He seemed to toughen up a bit last night and he needs to shake off any mistakes made. Get bettter each week and lets see what happens. We had some good runs but what if we ran both fron the pistol and the eye. Shake things up and do not look so predictable.

Work on special teams this week, it killed us as well. Not all that hard to block on a punt.

[busyscott]

QB01
I coach the running backs at GCM. I talk to them after every series. I just dont do it sitting on the bench. I encourage our players constantly. Its always easier to coach from the bleachers when you don't know what's going on.

[SETEXFan]

Uh oh, someone got their feelings hurt....



[quote name="busyscott" post="871578" timestamp="1286750272"]
QB01
I coach the running backs at GCM. I talk to them after every series. I just dont do it sitting on the bench. I encourage our players constantly. Its always easier to coach from the bleachers when you don't know what's going on.
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[cbear4]

[quote name="busyscott" post="871578" timestamp="1286750272"]
QB01
I coach the running backs at GCM. I talk to them after every series. I just dont do it sitting on the bench. I encourage our players constantly. Its always easier to coach from the bleachers when you don't know what's going on.
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Then you more than anyone know what I am talking about. You can assume who is being referred to here and it is not you. There are some football coaches calling the shots on this staff that are not approachable if a player wanted to speak about anything. If you do not agree with me, your head is in the sand. Players should feel comfortable enough to do this and for the most part, like their coach. This is absolutely not coaching from the stands. It is a fact. Do not wear your feelings on your shoulders and make a point to change the atmosphere. Be the coach to make a difference. I would be willing to bet you are not real comfortable discussing this with this head coach.

[Tyrone_Biggums]

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QB01
I coach the running backs at GCM. I talk to them after every series. I just dont do it sitting on the bench. I encourage our players constantly. Its always easier to coach from the bleachers when you don't know what's going on.
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Then you more than anyone know what I am talking about. You can assume who is being referred to here and it is not you. There are some football coaches calling the shots on this staff that are not approachable if a player wanted to speak about anything. If you do not agree with me, your head is in the sand. Players should feel comfortable enough to do this and for the most part, like their coach. This is absolutely not coaching from the stands. It is a fact. Do not wear your feelings on your shoulders and make a point to change the atmosphere. Be the coach to make a difference. I would be willing to bet you are not real comfortable discussing this with this head coach.
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This is like a car wreck on the side of the road...I know I shouldn't look and that i should keep on driving, but I just can't keep from GAWKING.  I have a feeling we will be seeing a lock next to this one at some point.  It's not going to get any better on Friday either.  Sounds like tough times at GCM.

[cbear4]

Just sitting around thinking and looking back on our season and I like the fact that we seem to block better at times but I just wonder why we started to shuttle RB's and QB's after two games this year. A RB can never get in a rythym or groove playing one series at a time. Same for a QB. their was absolutley no blocking in the LCM, Nederland and Manvel games. We had virtually no chance. Our best RB has been injured often but even when healthy has been playing every other or every third series. He is the only gamebreaker we have. Our season opening QB had two games, was injured and was then shuttling with another before losing his job. Makes no sense when looking back, he was probably the best leader on the team. New QB throws a good spirial but no accuracy. Our big RB runs well but never a big play.

I would like to see the opening day RBs, WR and QB play now with an improved OL. We seem worse to me because we cannot make up our minds and absolutley do not make adjustments as the game progresses. I want another coach to get on here and argue or debate this. I may not be the one coaching but it is what it is. No tackling, no discipline or staying at home on defense, I am guessing 6-9 ints (2 pick 6) the last 3 games along with a few fumbles and block kicks for scores. I can go on and on. Our coach plays ball control when down 14 to 20 points. Trying not to get embarrassed. Let them play and let go of your ego. The newspaper articles seem to indicate he has no confidence in his team and uses their youth as an excuse.  Our guys seem to be lost much of the time. Teach these kids the game or GCCISD should find a staff that will. I could care less if it pisses off coaches here. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND CHANGE MY MIND AND EVERYONE THAT WATCHES. I see some fire in some of these freshman coaches and some knowledge. Use them! Our kids are getting embarrassed and they have some talent.

[BRONX ROX]

Here is an example of the respect the coaches should have from the kids not just at the HS level but from grade school up. Coach Stewart from Dayton lives next to one of the elementry schools. As the buses drive by his house taking kids to school and the parents drop their kids off, look and you will see all the kids look and salute as they pass. You see Stewart at the 4th / 5th /6th grade level talking and interacting with the kids. Even been seen at many of the juinor high games. Kids love to sport their "Future Bronco" shirts and are looking forward to play for "The Legend" as he is known. You talk about the coaches in this thread but to me that is not the problem. The [color=red]community[/color] has to show up for the kids win or lose every game. In the BTN LEE the Dayton fans easly double theirs on an away game. GCM game was homecoming for us but the visitor side looked pretty skinny. If you ask me there are three building blocks that you must start with "pride dedication and loyalty" and this starts well before the coaches in JH or highschool get them....................................................
This better not get me any good karma im trying to keep pace with Tyrone and Crosby still sucks ;)

[cbear4]

[quote name="BRONX ROX" post="883101" timestamp="1287714055"]
Here is an example of the respect the coaches should have from the kids not just at the HS level but from grade school up. Coach Stewart from Dayton lives next to one of the elementry schools. As the buses drive by his house taking kids to school and the parents drop their kids off, look and you will see all the kids look and salute as they pass. You see Stewart at the 4th / 5th /6th grade level talking and interacting with the kids. Even been seen at many of the juinor high games. Kids love to sport their "Future Bronco" shirts and are looking forward to play for "The Legend" as he is known. You talk about the coaches in this thread but to me that is not the problem. The [color=red]community[/color] has to show up for the kids win or lose every game. In the BTN LEE the Dayton fans easly double theirs on an away game. GCM game was homecoming for us but the visitor side looked pretty skinny. If you ask me there are three building blocks that you must start with "pride dedication and loyalty" and this starts well before the coaches in JH or highschool get them....................................................
This better not get me any good karma im trying to keep pace with Tyrone and Crosby still sucks ;)
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I agree with much of what you say here but I know that Dayton was not football crazy before Stewart arrived and I know they had no big following. It has to start with earning respect and you will rarely see this coach talk with his own players, much less the kids in the community. You win, the fans come. they will respect a "good" guy but winning brings in the fans. When Stewart leaves, the new coach better have results or he will lose the fans and respect. It is human nature. I remember when Lee and Sterling just about filled that stadium. I have seen that plalce (Stallworth Stadium) with standing room only. An average team brought out more fans than you guys have on friday night. Stewart was there as well. You guys are lucky to have landed a guy who can build a program and reach the kids. Do not go blasting and fans any other programs for not having this. I wish we had someone like that as well but we have a district, it seems, who does not place this as a high priority.

[QB01]

Hey Cbear,

Again im a newbie on this, but i think it is starting to change at the lower levels.  From what i have seen the JV and Freshmen teams lay it on the line and it actually matters to them to lose.  They have finally taken a stance that losing is not acceptable to them.  My sons freshmen team vs Dayton had their best kid in ISS and then had the next best two hurt on the 2nd and 3rd plays of the offensive series.  Most would have quit then but fought back and actually had a chance to win at the end.  They tied which is the closest someone has come to a Dayton team.  The JV and Freshmen B were close as well.  This week, the team lost the two injured kids and two more starters for discipline reasons.  i think they had about 15 guys to Crosbys 30.  We were up 18-16 just could keep up with the shoot out.  But they played till the end.  The JV won like 41-6.  I think the new mentality is there.  My son said those Freshmen coaches talk to them everyday about what it will take to make the change to a program that will be successful, that they cant be happy just suiting out.  From other parents i have talked to, this senior class is the last group that got to opt out of sterling and come here because they werent good enough to play at sterling.  I think it is a mindset that has to be fixed and i wont be over night, but i do see sparkles here and there.  Agree with you on most of your points and i do believe that if we get behind our boys it will start to show.

[BRONX ROX]

[quote name="cbear4" post="883194" timestamp="1287719327"]
[quote author=BRONX ROX link=topic=73967.msg883101#msg883101 date=1287714055]
Here is an example of the respect the coaches should have from the kids not just at the HS level but from grade school up. Coach Stewart from Dayton lives next to one of the elementry schools. As the buses drive by his house taking kids to school and the parents drop their kids off, look and you will see all the kids look and salute as they pass. You see Stewart at the 4th / 5th /6th grade level talking and interacting with the kids. Even been seen at many of the juinor high games. Kids love to sport their "Future Bronco" shirts and are looking forward to play for "The Legend" as he is known. You talk about the coaches in this thread but to me that is not the problem. The [color=red]community[/color] has to show up for the kids win or lose every game. In the BTN LEE the Dayton fans easly double theirs on an away game. GCM game was homecoming for us but the visitor side looked pretty skinny. If you ask me there are three building blocks that you must start with "pride dedication and loyalty" and this starts well before the coaches in JH or highschool get them....................................................
This better not get me any good karma im trying to keep pace with Tyrone and Crosby still sucks ;)
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I agree with much of what you say here but I know that Dayton was not football crazy before Stewart arrived and I know they had no big following. It has to start with earning respect and you will rarely see this coach talk with his own players, much less the kids in the community. You win, the fans come. they will respect a "good" guy but winning brings in the fans. When Stewart leaves, the new coach better have results or he will lose the fans and respect. It is human nature. I remember when Lee and Sterling just about filled that stadium. I have seen that plalce (Stallworth Stadium) with standing room only. An average team brought out more fans than you guys have on friday night. Stewart was there as well. You guys are lucky to have landed a guy who can build a program and reach the kids. Do not go blasting and fans any other programs for not having this. I wish we had someone like that as well but we have a district, it seems, who does not place this as a high priority.
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Your right the coach can be as much as "good guy" as he wants but if the Ws and Ls dont add up its not good. Just sayin get the respect of the players sure does make it easier.

[cbear4]

[quote name="QB01" post="883265" timestamp="1287751943"]
Hey Cbear,

Again im a newbie on this, but i think it is starting to change at the lower levels.  From what i have seen the JV and Freshmen teams lay it on the line and it actually matters to them to lose.  They have finally taken a stance that losing is not acceptable to them.  My sons freshmen team vs Dayton had their best kid in ISS and then had the next best two hurt on the 2nd and 3rd plays of the offensive series.  Most would have quit then but fought back and actually had a chance to win at the end.  They tied which is the closest someone has come to a Dayton team.  The JV and Freshmen B were close as well.  This week, the team lost the two injured kids and two more starters for discipline reasons.  i think they had about 15 guys to Crosbys 30.  We were up 18-16 just could keep up with the shoot out.  But they played till the end.  The JV won like 41-6.  I think the new mentality is there.  My son said those Freshmen coaches talk to them everyday about what it will take to make the change to a program that will be successful, that they cant be happy just suiting out.  From other parents i have talked to, this senior class is the last group that got to opt out of sterling and come here because they werent good enough to play at sterling.  I think it is a mindset that has to be fixed and i wont be over night, but i do see sparkles here and there.  Agree with you on most of your points and i do believe that if we get behind our boys it will start to show.
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I hope to se this attitude carry over the next few years but I am telling you that if you wanted to speak with this coach, good luck. He would never be in the community promoting anything from what I see. He is not respected by his players like some of the coaches you are speaking about. I know exactly what you mean about the coaches talking to the players and changing the program. This is not coming from the HC. It should be and he should be leading in this effort. There is not many coaches that will want to coach for him that want to make a difference because of his attitude. I am not saying he is a terrible guy but just not a motivator.

We had a weak JV last year because so many Sophs were on varsity and I think the Freshman team the year before was competititive. If they would have had the staff you have down there now, they would have won imo.

[QB01]

CB, will you be there tonight?  Do you know if the RB is heathly yet from GP game.  I think it is head that got hurt?  Just wondering if we will ever see us running at full strength.  I hope we come out early and do something so we dont get our heads down. 

[RED MACHINE]

[quote name="QB01" post="883265" timestamp="1287751943"]
Hey Cbear,

Again im a newbie on this, but i think it is starting to change at the lower levels.  From what i have seen the JV and Freshmen teams lay it on the line and it actually matters to them to lose.  They have finally taken a stance that losing is not acceptable to them.  My sons freshmen team vs Dayton had their best kid in ISS and then had the next best two hurt on the 2nd and 3rd plays of the offensive series.  Most would have quit then but fought back and actually had a chance to win at the end.  They tied which is the closest someone has come to a Dayton team.  The JV and Freshmen B were close as well.  This week, the team lost the two injured kids and two more starters for discipline reasons.  i think they had about 15 guys to Crosbys 30.  We were up 18-16 just could keep up with the shoot out.  But they played till the end.  The JV won like 41-6.  I think the new mentality is there.  My son said those Freshmen coaches talk to them everyday about what it will take to make the change to a program that will be successful, that they cant be happy just suiting out.  From other parents i have talked to, this senior class is the last group that got to opt out of sterling and come here because they werent good enough to play at sterling.  I think it is a mindset that has to be fixed and i wont be over night, but i do see sparkles here and there.  Agree with you on most of your points and i do believe that if we get behind our boys it will start to show.
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Sorry to inform you QB01 but Crosby Freshman "A" has 22 players minus 1 from broken collarbone 2 weeks ago so that would make 21.

[gary-us-bonds]

cbear hit the nail on the head.

Look, when Lee was winning, we brought out crowds that make Dayton's home crowds look like a Pee-Wee league game,.

It's not about the town or the fans.  It's about the W's and the L's.
If Stewart leaves and Dayton sinks back to their level that they were for the 75 years before Stewart, then we will see how great their fans are.

It's much easier to root for a team that has a chance to make it to state every year.

It's also easier for Stewart to go down to the 3rd, 4th and 5th grade levels, because guess what...they are ALL going to be Broncos.
Not so easy in Baytown.  If a coach goes down to talk to a junior high, half the kids he talks to will not be going to his school.  Leads back to the need for a feeder system.
You seemed to scoff at this being a problem in my other thread specifically about it, yet here you give a perfect example of how it is helpful.

[QB01]

[quote name="RED MACHINE" post="883527" timestamp="1287769567"]
[quote author=QB01 link=topic=73967.msg883265#msg883265 date=1287751943]
Hey Cbear,

Again im a newbie on this, but i think it is starting to change at the lower levels.  From what i have seen the JV and Freshmen teams lay it on the line and it actually matters to them to lose.  They have finally taken a stance that losing is not acceptable to them.  My sons freshmen team vs Dayton had their best kid in ISS and then had the next best two hurt on the 2nd and 3rd plays of the offensive series.  Most would have quit then but fought back and actually had a chance to win at the end.  They tied which is the closest someone has come to a Dayton team.  The JV and Freshmen B were close as well.  This week, the team lost the two injured kids and two more starters for discipline reasons.  i think they had about 15 guys to Crosbys 30.  We were up 18-16 just could keep up with the shoot out.  But they played till the end.  The JV won like 41-6.  I think the new mentality is there.  My son said those Freshmen coaches talk to them everyday about what it will take to make the change to a program that will be successful, that they cant be happy just suiting out.  From other parents i have talked to, this senior class is the last group that got to opt out of sterling and come here because they werent good enough to play at sterling.  I think it is a mindset that has to be fixed and i wont be over night, but i do see sparkles here and there.  Agree with you on most of your points and i do believe that if we get behind our boys it will start to show.
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Sorry to inform you QB01 but Crosby Freshman "A" has 22 players minus 1 from broken collarbone 2 weeks ago so that would make 21.
[/quote]sorry to be misinformed.  Thank you

[liltex]

Even in the pre Stewart days Bronco stadium was full and lots of nights were 3 deep on the fences.Not that we were real good just a decent team w/a few thrown in that were great.Football is King @ Dayton.Of course the visitor side now was the home side before all the upgrades.I can remember years walking 3 blocks to the stadium as parking was scarce.I will be on the GCM side tonight rootin for the PAT'S.I could stand to lose my baby moons at the other game lol.Plus I hate 1 sided games ;D

[BRONX ROX]

[quote name="panamamyers" post="883548" timestamp="1287770724"]
cbear hit the nail on the head.

Look, when Lee was winning, we brought out crowds that make Dayton's home crowds look like a Pee-Wee league game,.

It's not about the town or the fans.  It's about the W's and the L's.
If Stewart leaves and Dayton sinks back to their level that they were for the 75 years before Stewart, then we will see how great their fans are.

It's much easier to root for a team that has a chance to make it to state every year.

It's also easier for Stewart to go down to the 3rd, 4th and 5th grade levels, because guess what...they are ALL going to be Broncos.
Not so easy in Baytown.  If a coach goes down to talk to a junior high, half the kids he talks to will not be going to his school.  Leads back to the need for a feeder system.
You seemed to scoff at this being a problem in my other thread specifically about it, yet here you give a perfect example of how it is helpful.
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I agree with you on the feeder system even though in the other thread "play ball" is what I said. I stand corrected. But in the times before Stewart (many moons ago) Dayton teams were not winning many but the stands were at compacity and come Fridays the whole town sports purple pride. Its hard to point out 1 thing to build a good program but I do know that the kids bring that little extra something if the house is full.

[gary-us-bonds]

Yeah if I could bottle it up and sell whatever it takes to be a winner I would be rich.

No doubt that Dayton has a good thing going.

Lee has had the bottom fall out after the new coaching hire.
Heck, just last year they would have had a fighting chance to win 19-4A. 

[cbear4]

I will be there tonight and am always optimistic that we will compete every week. I am happy that the undersquads are having good seasons and I hope they can help next year at the varsity level. We shall see!

I am unsure if Guillory will play tonight. I hope so. I think Wimberly has done a good job since being in that spot and is a good change of pace if they both are able to go. If the teams we played were also ball control offenses I could see running from the "I" formation with this team but we cannot get into a scoring battle and keep up. Go Pats! this would be a huge lift if we could surprise the cougs.

[cbear4]

I know the coaches could not give a hoot about the armchair qbs here but I liked their enthusiasm tonight. I saw fire in them. Great fun tonight in the win.