Could LU coaches be over their heads

[Texantagonise]

[quote name="UNLV" post="903265" timestamp="1289403546"]
[quote author=Texantagonise link=topic=75703.msg903219#msg903219 date=1289401370]
Lets compare apples to apples.  Lamar at GSU two first year programs against each other.  Total offense from that game was [color=red][b]LAMAR[/b][/color] 357 GSU 322.  Penalties LAMAR 5 - 45 GSU 8 - 65.  3rd down conversions LAMAR 6 - 14  42%  GSU 7 - 15 46% . TURNOVERS were even at 1.  LAMAR loses the game by [b]6[/b].

[b]NOTHING [/b] in those stats say that LAMAR coaches are in over there heads.  
[/quote]The stats 2 weeks ago had the Dallas Cowboys a top 5 NFL team.
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By the way that was over a month ago after the win over the Texans.  Not two weeks ago.  Just FYI.

[hipster]

It always been said that stats are for losers and if I am not mistaken GA St win gave them a winning season. 

[coachacola]

[quote name="hipster" post="903285" timestamp="1289405320"]
It always been said that stats are for losers and if I am not mistaken GA St win gave them a winning season. 
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So you're saying since Lamar doesn't have a winning season the coaching staff is over their heads?  Woodard could have played an easier schedule like Georgia State did and they'd probably having a winning record too and there wouldn't be threads like this.

[Ruckdad]

I have seen improvement almost each week in the defense.  the defense is much better than they were at the begining of the season. 

As for the offense - no improvement.  Still cannot run the ball to save our lives and our QB play has been atroscious.  Prewitt may be the upswing needed for the QB play.  It would not disappoint me or even seem inappropriate to revist the OC job after this season.

Having said that, I think the best way to recruit to any program is to show the recruits continuity.  If they believe that the guy recruiting them is going to be there four years later, the visit and the speil is much more effective.  For that reason - among others- I would give Coach Woodard at least three years.

[DP#1FAN]

[quote name="Ruckdad" post="903306" timestamp="1289406566"]
I have seen improvement almost each week in the defense.  the defense is much better than they were at the begining of the season. 

As for the offense - no improvement.  Still cannot run the ball to save our lives and our QB play has been atroscious.  Prewitt may be the upswing needed for the QB play.  It would not disappoint me or even seem inappropriate to revist the OC job after this season.

Having said that, I think the best way to recruit to any program is to show the recruits continuity.  If they believe that the guy recruiting them is going to be there four years later, the visit and the speil is much more effective.  For that reason - among others- I would give Coach Woodard at least three years.
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Well put. I pretty much agree with all said.

[bigred360]

[quote name="Ruckdad" post="903306" timestamp="1289406566"]
I have seen improvement almost each week in the defense.  the defense is much better than they were at the begining of the season. 

As for the offense - no improvement.  Still cannot run the ball to save our lives and our QB play has been atroscious.  Prewitt may be the upswing needed for the QB play.  It would not disappoint me or even seem inappropriate to revist the OC job after this season.

Having said that, I think the best way to recruit to any program is to show the recruits continuity.  If they believe that the guy recruiting them is going to be there four years later, the visit and the speil is much more effective.  For that reason - among others- I would give Coach Woodard at least three years.
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Great post Ruckdad and acknowledged by DP. I have a few stats I hope to share about the GSU game.

[bigred360]

First GSU drive was 5 playes for 46 yards and ended with a FG. Then after a blocked punt, GSU went 13 yards for a Haynes 8 yd pass from Little. Lamar then went 76 yards on 11 plays and scored on a 21 yard FG by Stout.

Then GSU went 8 plays, 33 yards for a 47 yard FG.

Then Lamar has a very impressive 99 yard drive that ended with a 13 yard pass play from Prewitt to JJ Hayes.

Then Ryan Clark had a pick 6 of 54 yards in the 4th quarter and Lamar took the lead. 17-13.

GSU then scored the last 10 points. A 10 play 71 yard drive that ended with Little hitting Williams on a 2 yard pass play.

GSU ended the scoring a 5 play 19 yard possession that ended in a 29 yard FG.

What am I driving at? Lamar had poor field position most of the game. While GSU had drives of 46 yards, 33 yards, 71 yards and 19 yards to put points on the board. It is much easier to score when your offense isn't having to drive the length of the field every possession.

Lamar scoring possessions were 76, 99 and a defensive pick 6.

Sorry if you don't see it, but the special teams are killing us. There is some type of Special teams mistake in just about every game this season (blocked punt, blocked FG, missed extra point, punt return for a TD, kicking out of bounds or just pooch kicking where the other team has the ball around the 40 yard line). Not kicking the ball deep leads to the other teams having great field position. If the kicker is STILL injured he should not be on the field. If that is the case he is hurting us not helping.  

Then you add the offensive problems of running the ball and being able to score rushing the football. 3.0 yards per carry isn't going to cut it at the FCS level of college football.

[Texantagonise]

[quote name="hipster" post="900346" timestamp="1289139901"]
Please just state the facts and do not get personal with your observations
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So I state the FACTS, LAMAR against GSU two first year programs.  The stats and EVEN THE SCORE are almost even and you reply stats are for losers. The topic of this post "Could LU coaches be over their heads."  The FACTS show no.  If they were over their heads the game against a similar opponent (GSU) whould have been a blowout.   

[bigred360]

[quote name="Texantagonise" post="903361" timestamp="1289410955"]
[quote author=hipster link=topic=75703.msg900346#msg900346 date=1289139901]
Please just state the facts and do not get personal with your observations
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So I state the FACTS, LAMAR against GSU two first year programs.  The stats and EVEN THE SCORE are almost even and you reply stats are for losers. The topic of this post "Could LU coaches be over their heads."  The FACTS show no.  If they were over their heads the game against a similar opponent (GSU) whould have been a blowout.   
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Sorry, man the stats don't tell the whole story about the GSU game. If we don't have a block punt they have to go more than 13 yards for their first TD. There is the 6 points we lost by right there. But, they had a 5 play 19 yard possession that ended with a FG and a 33 yard drive to add another FG. So, that is 13 points there due to poor field position and special teams play.

We could have won that game if the field position was in favor of Lamar instead of GSU's and we didn't have a blocked punt.

[hipster]

Hey those are all great posts but do not put if and buts in there.  IMO Woodard will get his 2 to 3 yrs. but I still think he is in over his head.  Lets hope he gets some good players and does OK but I am still not optimistic.  They are what they are!

[LamarFanatic]

Georgia State are who we thought they were and we let them off the hook    sorry couldnt resist

[hipster]

Now that was funny

[Texantagonise]

[quote name="LamarFanatic" post="903440" timestamp="1289416534"]
Georgia State are who we thought they were and we let them off the hook    sorry couldnt resist
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You owe Dennis Green a nickle.  ;D

[LamarFanatic]

ol dennis thanx for the memories