Is Hj's "Zjori Bosha" The Best Freshman in our area??

[BLUEDOVE3]

At the high school level, I'd prefer to play against a player who can't create off the dribble.

[Betrayed]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="924859" timestamp="1291388019"]
At the high school level, I'd prefer to play against a player who can't create off the dribble.
[/quote]Does it really matter if Bosha is scoring off of kick-outs or shots that he's creating himself. The bottom line is that he's doing what Hj is asking him to do, and thats knocking them down. 8 3's by a Freshman is very impressive, regardless if they were made by kick outs are creativity. No other Freshman has done that thus far in a Varsity game againt a quality opponent on the road. 

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="924869" timestamp="1291388628"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg924859#msg924859 date=1291388019]
At the high school level, I'd prefer to play against a player who can't create off the dribble.
[/quote]Does it really matter if Bosha is scoring off of kick-outs or shots that he's creating himself. The bottom line is that he's doing what Hj is asking him to do, and thats knocking them down. 8 3's by a Freshman is very impressive, regardless if they were made by kick outs are creativity. No other Freshman has done that thus far in a Varsity game againt a quality opponent on the road. 
[/quote]Excellent point! HJ has a system that works to the strengths of their players. I give credit to the coaches for recognizing this. But my comments had nothing to do with Bosha.

[Guest speechless]

the fact that anyone believes that rondo is an average passer and doesn't consider beating defenders off the dribble for lay ups being able to create your own shot pretty much makes everything else irrelevant

this person obviously doesnt watch basketball

[BADSANTA]

This kid sounds like he is a baller! Keep shootin kid! Skys the limit for ya.

[ballin4life]

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="924869" timestamp="1291388628"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg924859#msg924859 date=1291388019]
At the high school level, I'd prefer to play against a player who can't create off the dribble.
[/quote]Does it really matter if Bosha is scoring off of kick-outs or shots that he's creating himself. The bottom line is that he's doing what Hj is asking him to do, and thats knocking them down. 8 3's by a Freshman is very impressive, regardless if they were made by kick outs are creativity. No other Freshman has done that thus far in a Varsity game againt a quality opponent on the road. 
[/quote]

very very impressive no doubt but quality opponent c'mon man. i do think he is good just to early to say the best right now.

[Betrayed]

[quote name="ballin4life" post="924891" timestamp="1291389304"]
[quote author=Scalabrine link=topic=76916.msg924869#msg924869 date=1291388628]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=76916.msg924859#msg924859 date=1291388019]
At the high school level, I'd prefer to play against a player who can't create off the dribble.
[/quote]Does it really matter if Bosha is scoring off of kick-outs or shots that he's creating himself. The bottom line is that he's doing what Hj is asking him to do, and thats knocking them down. 8 3's by a Freshman is very impressive, regardless if they were made by kick outs are creativity. No other Freshman has done that thus far in a Varsity game againt a quality opponent on the road. 
[/quote]

very very impressive no doubt but quality opponent c'mon man. i do think he is good just to early to say the best right now.
[/quote]Yeah, quality opponent. Anahauc played in the Regional Finals game last year. You know, thats the game where the winner goes to State. He also hit Ktz up for 20+ in his Very 1st Varsity game. Wasn't by kick-outs my friend 

[ballin4life]

I seen PAM freshman shut down Dallas Pinkston best scorer to maybe 1-3 from the floor for 2 points .

[Betrayed]

[quote name="ballin4life" post="924911" timestamp="1291390541"]
I seen PAM freshman shut down Dallas Pinkston best scorer to maybe 1-3 from the floor for 2 points .
[/quote]And ;D ;D ;D

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Scalabrine" post="924915" timestamp="1291390651"]
[quote author=ballin4life link=topic=76916.msg924911#msg924911 date=1291390541]
I seen PAM freshman shut down Dallas Pinkston best scorer to maybe 1-3 from the floor for 2 points .
[/quote]And ;D ;D ;D
[/quote] :-X :-X

[setxslam]

I'd rather see open threes and dunks created-- and made-- off teamwork than individual efforts any day.  But that's just me.

[ballin4life]

all im saying is this  I have seen Bosha, the kid from Central, the hunters boys and the kid from PAM.and they all have a skill set that most freshman dont have this early but to crown anyone of them is crazy.

[BLUEDOVE3]

Way too early. You've got to contend with bigger/faster/older upperclassmen, girls, , xbox, burnout etc.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="setxslam" post="924925" timestamp="1291391620"]
I'd rather see open threes and dunks created-- and made-- off teamwork than individual efforts any day.  But that's just me.
[/quote]I'm one who don't get excited about a dunk if the player is 6'5" and above. Open threes are boring too. You're wide open. You're suppose to hit it. Give me a kid who creates his own shot for himself and others. Thats art.

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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="924945" timestamp="1291393635"]
[quote author=setxslam link=topic=76916.msg924925#msg924925 date=1291391620]
I'd rather see open threes and dunks created-- and made-- off teamwork than individual efforts any day.  But that's just me.
[/quote]I'm one who don't get excited about a dunk if the player is 6'5" and above. Open threes are boring too. You're wide open. You're suppose to hit it. Give me a kid who creates his own shot for himself and others. Thats art.
[/quote]IAm  Surprised that art is more important than the win.  Give me Ray Allen even though he lacks "artistry"

[east texas bb]

Evidentally we have a lot of guys who were spot up shooters in HS.  No one is bursting my bubble on Rondo, I know basketball and I am not going to argue on this subject anymore.  It is stupid.  Rondo can not shoot, he is a very average passer, he may have alot of assists but that is his sole job and he is surrounded by All-Stars.  Makes for a great team, exectaly what the Celtics have.  Does not make him a good passer.  And I am sorry about saying Rondo couldnt  shoot, I forgot about layups. 

Anyone that would argue that they would rather have someone who can only make shots created for them vs. someone that can create his own and make shots from others is not thinking straight. That is a simple statement and a simple answer.  1 player can do both the other player can sit in the corner and hope someone gets him a shot so he can shoot.

The best players in the game could create their own shots.  Plain and simple.  I dont have to post youtube videos (of one clip which I didnt even take the time to watch).  It is just common sense.
Good luck to the Bosha and HF players, wish them the best.  Have a great day.  Im through with this topic.

[stevenash]

[quote name="east texas bb" post="925002" timestamp="1291400737"]
Evidentally we have a lot of guys who were spot up shooters in HS.  No one is bursting my bubble on Rondo, I know basketball and I am not going to argue on this subject anymore.  It is stupid.  Rondo can not shoot, he is a very average passer, he may have alot of assists but that is his sole job and he is surrounded by All-Stars.  Makes for a great team, exectaly what the Celtics have.  Does not make him a good passer.  And I am sorry about saying Rondo couldnt  shoot, I forgot about layups.  

Anyone that would argue that they would rather have someone who can only make shots created for them vs. someone that can create his own and make shots from others is not thinking straight. That is a simple statement and a simple answer.  1 player can do both the other player can sit in the corner and hope someone gets him a shot so he can shoot.

The best players in the game could create their own shots.  Plain and simple.  I dont have to post youtube videos (of one clip which I didnt even take the time to watch).  It is just common sense.
Good luck to the Bosha and HF players, wish them the best.  Have a great day.  Im through with this topic.
[/quote]  If you are so confident about what you say, please help me recall how many great "created" shots were done by Magic Johnson.  And while you are at it, explain the record of the Heat this year.  And for the record, you possess NO exclusivity about basketball knowledge.  Rest assured.  Saying that Rondos sole job is to make assists demonstrates the depth of your knowledge.  As for the All stars surrounding him, you are then saying that since Derick Fisher is a better shooter, he is more valuable to the Lakers than Rondo is to the Celtics. Give me a freaking break.  Go to google and check out what some others think.  You wont find rondo rated anywhere less than 4th as a point guard.  And yes, he is the point guard who was first team all defense last year.  I guess those that voted him on that team don't "really know" basketball. The argument is NOT would you rather have spot up shooters or shot creators but rather some of each because they compliment each other very well.  Once again, Miami has plenty of creators but a record only slightly above 500.

[sleepy]

[quote name="east texas bb" post="925002" timestamp="1291400737"]
Evidentally we have a lot of guys who were spot up shooters in HS.  No one is bursting my bubble on Rondo, I know basketball and I am not going to argue on this subject anymore.  It is stupid.  Rondo can not shoot, he is a very average passer, he may have alot of assists but that is his sole job and he is surrounded by All-Stars.  Makes for a great team, exectaly what the Celtics have.  Does not make him a good passer.  And I am sorry about saying Rondo couldnt  shoot, I forgot about layups. 

Anyone that would argue that they would rather have someone who can only make shots created for them vs. someone that can create his own and make shots from others is not thinking straight. That is a simple statement and a simple answer.  1 player can do both the other player can sit in the corner and hope someone gets him a shot so he can shoot.

The best players in the game could create their own shots.  Plain and simple.  I dont have to post youtube videos (of one clip which I didnt even take the time to watch).  It is just common sense.
Good luck to the Bosha and HF players, wish them the best.  Have a great day.  Im through with this topic.
[/quote]

If you TRULY believe he is an average passer you have NO IDEA what is going on.  I don't care if it is his only job.........he is damn good at it. Again I will say this......if you cannot admit that Rajan Rondo is a great passer........you have no room even TALKING about basketball.

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[quote name="sleepy" post="925018" timestamp="1291401763"]
[quote author=east texas bb link=topic=76916.msg925002#msg925002 date=1291400737]
Evidentally we have a lot of guys who were spot up shooters in HS.  No one is bursting my bubble on Rondo, I know basketball and I am not going to argue on this subject anymore.  It is stupid.  Rondo can not shoot, he is a very average passer, he may have alot of assists but that is his sole job and he is surrounded by All-Stars.  Makes for a great team, exectaly what the Celtics have.  Does not make him a good passer.  And I am sorry about saying Rondo couldnt  shoot, I forgot about layups. 

Anyone that would argue that they would rather have someone who can only make shots created for them vs. someone that can create his own and make shots from others is not thinking straight. That is a simple statement and a simple answer.  1 player can do both the other player can sit in the corner and hope someone gets him a shot so he can shoot.

The best players in the game could create their own shots.  Plain and simple.  I dont have to post youtube videos (of one clip which I didnt even take the time to watch).  It is just common sense.
Good luck to the Bosha and HF players, wish them the best.  Have a great day.  Im through with this topic.
[/quote]

If you TRULY believe he is an average passer you have NO IDEA what is going on.  I don't care if it is his only job.........he is dang good at it. Again I will say this......if you cannot admit that Rajan Rondo is a great passer........you have no room even TALKING about basketball.
[/quote]

Sleepy- Its real simple.  There are some who believe that the answer to everything is how well you "shake and bake"  There are others who believe that the team concept is the better approach because it uses all of the skills in basketball as opposed to just the ones that cause the "oohs" and "ahs" from the crowd.

[BLUEDOVE3]

Senile old man. ILL agree with you and easttx.best of both worlds Rondo and Kobe.

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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="925069" timestamp="1291407046"]
Senile old man. ILL agree with you and easttx.best of both worlds Rondo and Kobe.
[/quote]

Thank you.  My guess is that if Kobe had Rondo, he would enjoy his situation that much more

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="hjhawks" post="924025" timestamp="1291267816"]
Blue.... where did you want your sons to go instead of HF?
[/quote]Sorry, I missed your question. But to answer your question: A school that has serious goals to march towards a State Championship and instill in their kids a winning attitude. ;)

[Guest cbosha]

WOW!

[BADSANTA]

Zjori is good but not better than that cat from Central.

[BLUEDOVE3]

I can say this: Each Freshman have their own unique talent and it will be interesting to watch how they develop in the coming years.