Lifting Weights

[playdefense]

First off I am not going to hide behind some screen name - Rusty Cauthern, East Chambers Coach.

Whether you agree or disagree about lifting weights I could care less.  It is an opinion thing and you can find research on both sides of the issue.  It is not the coaches discretion whether they should lift during the season or not - it is the athletic directors decision.  Just like the principal decides on certain policies.  Live with it.  Now, personally I think all athletes should lift year round - lifting weights makes you a better athlete period.  I coach track and want my kids to lift during track season - makes them stronger to finish races and run faster.  I can only imagine that in basketball it helps you jump a little higher and stronger to control a rebound.  I witnessed one of our girls simply rip the ball away from a Hardin girl the other night because she was stronger - I am sure lifting had nothing to do with that.  Ok enough of that.

You can voice your opinion on this site all you want, but when you come on here and start talking trash about a person and making comments about them not caring about a program and not being a good leader you need to stop hiding behind your screen name and man or woman up and go speak your mind to that person or write them a letter and sign it or say who you are on here.  Now if you are a parent - well, I guess you do not teach and coach for a living for a reason.  If you are a teacher/coach making those comments then you need to look to move elsewhere because you are not being professional at all.  Absolutely absurd and immature to speak about someone and hide behind your screen name.  Trust me it will get out who you are and then what are you going to do - I know find another job because your were fired.

[SHSU86]

KAPOOWWWW,,,,,,

[AggiesAreWe]

SIC'EM!!!!! ;D


Good post, playa.

[BearWolf]

;D

[BUCman]

Speak it Rusty from your friends down in HI.

[WOSgrad]

And to paraphrase from my profession, "the playdefense rests!"

[BearWolf]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="953815" timestamp="1295888893"]
And to paraphrase from my profession, "the playdefense rests!"
[/quote] ;D

[hjhawks]

Nothing wrong with your post except the fact that it should be the head coaches decision to lift or not...  We all know that the AD makes decisions, but they should (And probably are) made with the coaches input.  As a track coach, it is great that you want your kids to lift..that is your decision.... would you feel the same if they were made to lift on the day of a meet?  (May not happen at EC, but it does at other places.)

The whole thing is about who controls practice...the AD or the HC...you could replace any school for EC and the argument is still a good one..
-Mike

[The Cook]

[quote name="hjhawks" post="953843" timestamp="1295892903"]
Nothing wrong with your post except the fact that it should be the head coaches decision to lift or not...  We all know that the AD makes decisions, but they should (And probably are) made with the coaches input.  As a track coach, it is great that you want your kids to lift..that is your decision.... would you feel the same if they were made to lift on the day of a meet?  (May not happen at EC, but it does at other places.)

The whole thing is about who controls practice...the AD or the HC...you could replace any school for EC and the argument is still a good one..
-Mike
[/quote]
Coach Valastro is as good as they come & for anyone to post on here otherwise tells everyone that you don't have a clue what it takes to run a successful athletic program. Most of these witchhunts stem from a parent with a son/daughter whose getting no playing time.

[WOSgrad]

Any AD makes decisions like this based on what he or she believes is best for the entire program.  You may not agree, but to state that someone does not care about a program because of those decisions is pretty ridiculous.

[BUNA95]

:o

[SFAJACK02]

[quote name="playdefense" post="953784" timestamp="1295885289"]
First off I am not going to hide behind some screen name - Rusty Cauthern, East Chambers Coach.

Whether you agree or disagree about lifting weights I could care less.  It is an opinion thing and you can find research on both sides of the issue.  It is not the coaches discretion whether they should lift during the season or not - it is the athletic directors decision.  Just like the principal decides on certain policies.  Live with it.  Now, personally I think all athletes should lift year round - lifting weights makes you a better athlete period.  I coach track and want my kids to lift during track season - makes them stronger to finish races and run faster.  I can only imagine that in basketball it helps you jump a little higher and stronger to control a rebound.  I witnessed one of our girls simply rip the ball away from a Hardin girl the other night because she was stronger - I am sure lifting had nothing to do with that.  Ok enough of that.

You can voice your opinion on this site all you want, but when you come on here and start talking trash about a person and making comments about them not caring about a program and not being a good leader you need to stop hiding behind your screen name and man or woman up and go speak your mind to that person or write them a letter and sign it or say who you are on here.  Now if you are a parent - well, I guess you do not teach and coach for a living for a reason.  If you are a teacher/coach making those comments then you need to look to move elsewhere because you are not being professional at all.  Absolutely absurd and immature to speak about someone and hide behind your screen name.  Trust me it will get out who you are and then what are you going to do - I know find another job because your were fired.


Well said coach. I am from Woodville and played ball in highschool and in College. That only makes you better and stronger and we had to do it!!!! It cant hurt unless you are trying to make them bodybuilders, LOL( I know your not), but obviously anyone who has not played sports doesnt know that that will only make u better!!!! Stick to your guns coach!!!

[/quote]

Well said coach. I am from Woodville and played ball in highschool and in College. That only makes you better and stronger and we had to do it!!!! I cant hurt unless you are trying to make them bodybuilders, LOL( I know your not), but obviously anyone who has not played sports doesnt know that that will only make u better!!!! Stick to your guns coach!!!
Let the coach, coach. That is what is wrong with kids today!!! Kids parents always take up for them making them pansies. Not when I was playing.

[Guest speechless]

references were made to principals earlier

i wonder if principals tell the teachers how and what to teach in their classes?

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="speechless" post="953967" timestamp="1295911843"]
references were made to principals earlier

i wonder if principals tell the teachers how and what to teach in their classes?
[/quote]

Yes, they do.

[BLUEDOVE3]

Man, you covered several topics in your thread (EC coach).Personally, I don't think an AD should set policies on weight lifting unless the training is geared towards a specific sport. But I also think each individual coach should have his own workout/weight lifting program in place or a specialist to run specific workouts for the athletes. As far as coaches, they have always been under pressure especially when a program has a tradition for winning. Oh, I have no problem with the weight lifting as long as it's not dealing with standing knee bends in middle school.  ;)

[blah123]

"I witnessed one of our girls simply rip the ball away from a[b] Hardin [/b] girl the other night because she was stronger - I am sure lifting had nothing to do with that. "


and this happened when?

[The Cook]

[quote name="blah123" post="954214" timestamp="1295976797"]
"I witnessed one of our girls simply rip the ball away from a[b] Hardin [/b] girl the other night because she was stronger - I am sure lifting had nothing to do with that. "


and this happened when?
[/quote]
Need I remind you of the Lionel Richie hit single," All Night Long"

[blah123]

Can't wait to see them again, NOT in East Chambers.
Feel bad for anyone that has to play them in that gym.

Girls can have 8 fouls now, who knew?!  :o

[Guest speechless]

thats odd been in education for quite some time

never had a principal tell me what to teach or how to teach it

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="speechless" post="954278" timestamp="1295981331"]
thats odd been in education for quite some time

never had a principal tell me what to teach or how to teach it
[/quote]

That's odd.  With all my friends who are teachers, interference from administrators on what to teach and the method for teaching it is their #2 complaint about the job (#1 being pay).

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="speechless" post="954278" timestamp="1295981331"]
thats odd been in education for quite some time

never had a principal tell me what to teach or how to teach it
[/quote]Agreed! And I know in some school districts principals administer and let teachers teach

[stevenash]

Is the issue whether or not to lift weights or is the issue when and how much to lift weights and at whose direction?  I am not a coach but rather a basketball enthusiast so my bias will probably show before this post is done.  My perception of a lot of schools is that the one size fits all approach may not always be the answer.   Does the basketball player have the same weight lifting needs and time dedication to weight lifting as the football player?  How about the track guy or the golfer or the tennis player?  If you have a limited amount of time each week to pursue excellence in your respective sport, does strength play as integral a part in the golf swing as it does on the football field?  Does one sport need more dedication to strength and less to skill than another?  I would think there is a good possibility that it does.  Why is the basketball coach or baseball coach less worthy to supervise his players weight lifting sessions than the football coach?  Is it a given that the football coach ALWAYS knows/understands more about conditioning than other coaches that work with him?  Kevin Durant was soundly criticized at the NBA combine for his inability to bench press a certain amount of weight.  LeBron and Kobe have bodies that make them look like Greek Gods.  The statistics suggest that Mr. Durant is contributing as much as Kobe or Lebron to his teams efforts despite his alleged "weakness". Oddly enough, he leads the NBA in scoring. Furthermore, I think it might be a serious mistake to fully define athleticism as muscles/speed only.  Much of it, in my opinion has to do with hand-eye coordination and development of same.  Its difficult for me to believe that lifting can help that as much as repetition of the selected athletic movement.

[finger roll]

Hey blah I was at that game and the fouls were not even at all.  EC was called for quite a bit more fouls.  How can that be unfair to Hardin??  Hardin lost because they played most of the 2nd half without the ball in #4's hands and were out hustled in the second half.  It could have been a lot worse if EC hadn't turned the ball over so much and missed some easy layups. 

On a seperate note, how does EC and Hardin compare as far as players who will return next year?

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="954308" timestamp="1295984418"]
Is the issue whether or not to lift weights or is the issue when and how much to lift weights and at whose direction?  I am not a coach but rather a basketball enthusiast so my bias will probably show before this post is done.  My perception of a lot of schools is that the one size fits all approach may not always be the answer.   Does the basketball player have the same weight lifting needs and time dedication to weight lifting as the football player?  How about the track guy or the golfer or the tennis player?  If you have a limited amount of time each week to pursue excellence in your respective sport, does strength play as integral a part in the golf swing as it does on the football field?  Does one sport need more dedication to strength and less to skill than another?  I would think there is a good possibility that it does.  Why is the basketball coach or baseball coach less worthy to supervise his players weight lifting sessions than the football coach?  Is it a given that the football coach ALWAYS knows/understands more about conditioning than other coaches that work with him?  Kevin Durant was soundly criticized at the NBA combine for his inability to bench press a certain amount of weight.  LeBron and Kobe have bodies that make them look like Greek Gods.  The statistics suggest that Mr. Durant is contributing as much as Kobe or Lebron to his teams efforts despite his alleged "weakness". Oddly enough, he leads the NBA in scoring. Furthermore, I think it might be a serious mistake to fully define athleticism as muscles/speed only.  Much of it, in my opinion has to do with hand-eye coordination and development of same.  Its difficult for me to believe that lifting can help that as much as repetition of the selected athletic movement.
[/quote]Brilliant piece of

[Guest speechless]

[quote]That's odd.  With all my friends who are teachers, [u][b]interference [/b][/u]from administrators on what to teach and the method for teaching it is their #2 complaint about the job (#1 being pay).[/quote]

even more odd is that you referred to it as "interference"

you are exactly right about that