FanintheStands Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="HSBALL03" post="954544" timestamp="1296003291"]I think that game in Kountze has slipped many minds. Cleveland flat-out layed an egg last year against HJ. These seniors lost in OT by 3 to the Jarvis Benard led Hawks two years ago..and they were all sophomores. [/quote]I'm not sure if you can chalk up that win to Jarvis. If i recall, two traveling calls and several missed free throws by Jarvis were the only reason Cleveland took it into overtime. I mean, we had them by 7 with a minute to go.
Betrayed Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="FanintheStands" post="955130" timestamp="1296065527"][quote author=HSBALL03 link=topic=79215.msg954544#msg954544 date=1296003291]I think that game in Kountze has slipped many minds. Cleveland flat-out layed an egg last year against HJ. These seniors lost in OT by 3 to the Jarvis Benard led Hawks two years ago..and they were all sophomores. [/quote]I'm not sure if you can chalk up that win to Jarvis. If i recall, two traveling calls and several missed free throws by Jarvis were the only reason Cleveland took it into overtime. I mean, we had them by 7 with a minute to go.[/quote]So were Gus and Grayson... ;D And Prudohmme was just a freshman ;)
stevenash Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="FanintheStands" post="955130" timestamp="1296065527"][quote author=HSBALL03 link=topic=79215.msg954544#msg954544 date=1296003291]I think that game in Kountze has slipped many minds. Cleveland flat-out layed an egg last year against HJ. These seniors lost in OT by 3 to the Jarvis Benard led Hawks two years ago..and they were all sophomores. [/quote]I'm not sure if you can chalk up that win to Jarvis. If i recall, two traveling calls and several missed free throws by Jarvis were the only reason Cleveland took it into overtime. I mean, we had them by 7 with a minute to go.[/quote]Wouldnt it be better to credit the team for the win or loss or whatever rather than singling out an individual.. Often times, when an individual has impressive statistics, much of it can be credited to action taken by some other teammate(s). When Gustafson went 4 for 4 from three point range the other night at West Orange, a good portion of the credit for that goes to the defense being overly concerned with the three point shooting ability of Bosha and Sutherland. So, in spite of not making a single three themselves, I believe Bosha and Sutherland were partially responsible for the success Gustafson had with the long shots.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="955138" timestamp="1296066396"][quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=79215.msg955130#msg955130 date=1296065527][quote author=HSBALL03 link=topic=79215.msg954544#msg954544 date=1296003291]I think that game in Kountze has slipped many minds. Cleveland flat-out layed an egg last year against HJ. These seniors lost in OT by 3 to the Jarvis Benard led Hawks two years ago..and they were all sophomores. [/quote]I'm not sure if you can chalk up that win to Jarvis. If i recall, two traveling calls and several missed free throws by Jarvis were the only reason Cleveland took it into overtime. I mean, we had them by 7 with a minute to go.[/quote]Wouldnt it be better to credit the team for the win or loss or whatever rather than singling out an individual.. Often times, when an individual has impressive statistics, much of it can be credited to action taken by some other teammate(s). When Gustafson went 4 for 4 from three point range the other night at West Orange, a good portion of the credit for that goes to the defense being overly concerned with the three point shooting ability of Bosha and Sutherland. So, in spite of not making a single three themselves, I believe Bosha and Sutherland were partially responsible for the success Gustafson had with the long shots.[/quote]Huh? And I thought you believed in individual responsibity
FanintheStands Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="955138" timestamp="1296066396"][quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=79215.msg955130#msg955130 date=1296065527][quote author=HSBALL03 link=topic=79215.msg954544#msg954544 date=1296003291]I think that game in Kountze has slipped many minds. Cleveland flat-out layed an egg last year against HJ. These seniors lost in OT by 3 to the Jarvis Benard led Hawks two years ago..and they were all sophomores. [/quote]I'm not sure if you can chalk up that win to Jarvis. If i recall, two traveling calls and several missed free throws by Jarvis were the only reason Cleveland took it into overtime. I mean, we had them by 7 with a minute to go.[/quote]Wouldnt it be better to credit the team for the win or loss or whatever rather than singling out an individual.. Often times, when an individual has impressive statistics, much of it can be credited to action taken by some other teammate(s). When Gustafson went 4 for 4 from three point range the other night at West Orange, a good portion of the credit for that goes to the defense being overly concerned with the three point shooting ability of Bosha and Sutherland. So, in spite of not making a single three themselves, I believe Bosha and Sutherland were partially responsible for the success Gustafson had with the long shots.[/quote]I agree, its a team effort and, to me, HJ is all about team effort. I just recall that the Cleveland game was one of the few play-off games were Jarvis had trouble. I also recall that the traveling calls were called on Jarvis when he was doing the same thing he'd done all year (and never was called for traveling). And missed free throws? Well, unfortunately, that also is an HJ tradition.I do seem to remember that half the Cleveland fans went home with a minute to go and they were down by 7. Those people missed a great overtime session(s).
CThoops Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 If Cleveland and HJ play THIS year in the playoffs, Cleveland will win.. Come on steve, ZEEK, or 86hawk!! Let me hear some more history! :D
86hawk Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 C'mon dogs, we have already been thru all of this. Each year the same thing is said "Cleveland will beat HJ" and each year the outcome is the same. I would like to play a new team in the playoffs. It is getting old beating Cleveland and Navasota every year. When we win district this year :o, we will let Silsbee take on Cleveland. i have said it before and will continue to say it, Cleveland is more athletic. They lack discipline beat themselves every year.Maybe we can play Nederland in the playoff warm up game. I wonder if Coach English would take that game? It could be hard on a team to start the playoffs after a loss.
stevenash Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="dogs1218" post="955146" timestamp="1296066842"]If Cleveland and HJ play THIS year in the playoffs, Cleveland will win.. Come on steve, ZEEK, or 86hawk!! Let me hear some more history! :D[/quote]I am dying to respond but there are a couple of problems. Anything I say, including this, will be deemed by the "enlightened" as classless. Someone on this board recently established that the past could not be mentioned, so I can't say anything in that respect. Therefore, I am unable to say that last year, HJ was given ABSOLUTELY no chance in the game against Cleveland (by many of the same enlightened) I am also unable to say that the more athletic Navasota was a cinch to beat HJ after HJ beat them once, after they beat them twice, and after they beat them a third time. I am curious about one thing. It was not that long ago that you INSISTED that you didn't want to hear any HJ history- but now you post on here that you WANT to hear history. Very interesting. I don't know why we are even talking about Cleveland because the "smart" money has already declared HJ can't get that far. HJ doesn't have a very good team and, if they are fortunate enough to make the playoffs (because they have won ONLY against poor teams and lost to all the good ones) they will undoubtedly lose the first round to a more athletic team.
stevenash Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="86hawk" post="955154" timestamp="1296067389"]C'mon dogs, we have already been thru all of this. Each year the same thing is said "Cleveland will beat HJ" and each year the outcome is the same. I would like to play a new team in the playoffs. It is getting old beating Cleveland and Navasota every year. When we win district this year :o, we will let Silsbee take on Cleveland. i have said it before and will continue to say it, Cleveland is more athletic. They lack discipline beat themselves every year.Maybe we can play Nederland in the playoff warm up game. I wonder if Coach English would take that game? It could be hard on a team to start the playoffs after a loss.[/quote]Can't you find a way to display some degree of confidence?
86hawk Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Confidence? Death, taxes, and a buffett losing money when Lazeek and I walk in..
Lazeek Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="86hawk" post="955229" timestamp="1296074638"]Confidence? Death, taxes, and a buffett losing money when Lazeek and I walk in..[/quote] :D :D :DEasy there Big L!!!!!
CThoops Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="955159" timestamp="1296068023"][quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=79215.msg955146#msg955146 date=1296066842]If Cleveland and HJ play THIS year in the playoffs, Cleveland will win.. Come on steve, ZEEK, or 86hawk!! Let me hear some more history! :D[/quote]I am dying to respond but there are a couple of problems. Anything I say, including this, will be deemed by the "enlightened" as classless. Someone on this board recently established that the past could not be mentioned, so I can't say anything in that respect. Therefore, I am unable to say that last year, HJ was given ABSOLUTELY no chance in the game against Cleveland (by many of the same enlightened) I am also unable to say that the more athletic Navasota was a cinch to beat HJ after HJ beat them once, after they beat them twice, and after they beat them a third time. I am curious about one thing. It was not that long ago that you INSISTED that you didn't want to hear any HJ history- but now you post on here that you WANT to hear history. Very interesting. I don't know why we are even talking about Cleveland because the "smart" money has already declared HJ can't get that far. HJ doesn't have a very good team and, if they are fortunate enough to make the playoffs (because they have won ONLY against poor teams and lost to all the good ones) they will undoubtedly lose the first round to a more athletic team.[/quote]Come on Nashy! Its all in good fun! ;D
CThoops Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="86hawk" post="955154" timestamp="1296067389"]C'mon dogs, we have already been thru all of this. Each year the same thing is said "Cleveland will beat HJ" and each year the outcome is the same. I would like to play a new team in the playoffs. It is getting old beating Cleveland and Navasota every year. When we win district this year :o, we will let Silsbee take on Cleveland. i have said it before and will continue to say it, Cleveland is more athletic. They lack discipline beat themselves every year.Maybe we can play Nederland in the playoff warm up game. I wonder if Coach English would take that game? It could be hard on a team to start the playoffs after a loss.[/quote]Well thats why the thread says, "Third Time the Charm"? ;) Didnt happen the other years, but will happen this year (Of course if HJ gets there after Nash so graciously reminded me of the fact they wont make it that far)
stevenash Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="dogs1218" post="955305" timestamp="1296081898"][quote author=86hawk link=topic=79215.msg955154#msg955154 date=1296067389]C'mon dogs, we have already been thru all of this. Each year the same thing is said "Cleveland will beat HJ" and each year the outcome is the same. I would like to play a new team in the playoffs. It is getting old beating Cleveland and Navasota every year. When we win district this year :o, we will let Silsbee take on Cleveland. i have said it before and will continue to say it, Cleveland is more athletic. They lack discipline beat themselves every year.Maybe we can play Nederland in the playoff warm up game. I wonder if Coach English would take that game? It could be hard on a team to start the playoffs after a loss.[/quote]Well thats why the thread says, "Third Time the Charm"? ;) Didnt happen the other years, but will happen this year (Of course if HJ gets there after Nash so graciously reminded me of the fact they wont make it that far) [/quote] Well, I am biased toward HJ but also very naive when it comes to basketball. I am still dumb enough to believe they have the potential to win a playoff game or two. But, if they did, it would violate the "they can't beat a good team" rule(based upon the assumption that if you are in the playoffs, you are better than the majority of teams) and I am trying to stay within the fairly established guidelines in a classy manner. I must admit that I am still struggling to accept the "HJ is not very good this year" rule, but if I hang in there long enough, maybe I will be able to better grasp that theory. Once I do, I may just possbily be perceived as less arrogant and as having more class.
stevenash Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Dogs1218, I am still very curious about one thing that I asked earlier. Some time ago you vehemently insisted that you did NOT want to hear any more about HJ history. Then today, you demanded to hear about HJ history. If I had done that, I would have been accused of being classlessly bipolar. How is it that(respectfully asked, of course) it seems to be ok in this instance?
HSBALL03 Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Posted January 26, 2011 I was simply singling out Jarvis as a leader of that team, not necessarily the leader of that game. He was limited in that game. HJ's over-all team chemistry is always tough to deal with they seem to get the shot they want most of the time.
CThoops Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="955319" timestamp="1296083193"]Dogs1218, I am still very curious about one thing that I asked earlier. Some time ago you vehemently insisted that you did NOT want to hear any more about HJ history. Then today, you demanded to hear about HJ history. If I had done that, I would have been accused of being classlessly bipolar. How is it that(respectfully asked, of course) it seems to be ok in this instance?[/quote]I hate hearing about the history because people assume history must repeat itself no matter what... The part about wanting to hear some history was obviously a sarcastic remark ;) You should know that
stevenash Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 [quote name="dogs1218" post="955324" timestamp="1296083877"][quote author=stevenash link=topic=79215.msg955319#msg955319 date=1296083193]Dogs1218, I am still very curious about one thing that I asked earlier. Some time ago you vehemently insisted that you did NOT want to hear any more about HJ history. Then today, you demanded to hear about HJ history. If I had done that, I would have been accused of being classlessly bipolar. How is it that(respectfully asked, of course) it seems to be ok in this instance?[/quote]I hate hearing about the history because people assume history must repeat itself no matter what... The part about wanting to hear some history was obviously a sarcastic remark ;) You should know that[/quote]You mean YOU started a thread that was essentially calling me and Lazeek out? How can this be? That type of effort has already been declared to have less class than a dog. This is so confusing. Oh well, I guess the bottom line is I have to watch my "p's" and "q"s more than others. Am doing my best to do that. HJ sucks. I think you and I ought to take it upon ourselves to have history classes eliminated at HJ and Nederland since history has no relevance and doesn't teach anything.
stevenash Posted January 26, 2011 Report Posted January 26, 2011 Dogs- I have one final question for you. If we first assume, as you contend, that history means nothing and then we assume that, as you say and so eloquently reason in this thread that, the third time is a charm, I would like to inquire the following. If Silsbee beats HJ next week at HJ but HJ manages to get to the regionals and somehow meets up with Silsbee again, it seems as though you are saying HJ will win since Silsbee won the first two. Right?
AggiesAreWe Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 dogs1218 never started this thread. HSBALL03 did.Get your facts straight. ;) ;D
stevenash Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955344" timestamp="1296086780"]dogs1218 never started this thread. HSBALL03 did.Get your facts straight. ;) ;D[/quote]I owe you a HUGE apology Dogs. I failed to note that while you offered your wisdom on here, it certainly was NOT you that initiated the post. Therefore, I must respectfully retract my comment and admit my glaring error. I probably should initiate a new post with the apology for all to see the error of my ways but I could be castigated for same so will just hope you read this one. Somehow I suspect that there will be nobody saying "excellAnt post, Nash" because there is little excellEnce in it.
AggiesAreWe Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 Nash, you seem confused between what is a "post" and what is a "thread".HSBALL03 initiated the "thread". dogs1218 made a "post" on this "thread"You have already initiated a "post" aplogizing for your mistake.There is no need to initiate a new "thread" doing the same.BTW, excellent try, Nash. You'll figure it out someday. ;D
stevenash Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955362" timestamp="1296088835"]Nash, you seem confused between what is a "post" and what is a "thread".HSBALL03 initiated the "thread". dogs1218 made a "post" on this "thread"You have already initiated a "post" aplogizing for your mistake.There is no need to initiate a new "thread" doing the same.BTW, excellent try, Nash. You'll figure it out someday. ;D[/quote]Yes, all I can do is continue to try. And I think you are right because with all the scrutiny that my comments receive, I am bound to get it right sooner or later. Additionally, now that I understand that such oversight is acceptable, I will not feel badly when I provide some myself. That will be [font=Trebuchet MS]o n l y[/font] for the sake of accuracy and/or clarity, of course.
AggiesAreWe Posted January 27, 2011 Report Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="955365" timestamp="1296089396"][quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=79215.msg955362#msg955362 date=1296088835]Nash, you seem confused between what is a "post" and what is a "thread".HSBALL03 initiated the "thread". dogs1218 made a "post" on this "thread"You have already initiated a "post" aplogizing for your mistake.There is no need to initiate a new "thread" doing the same.BTW, excellent try, Nash. You'll figure it out someday. ;D[/quote]Yes, all I can do is continue to try. And I think you are right because with all the scrutiny that my comments receive, I am bound to get it right sooner or later. Additionally, now that I understand that such oversight is acceptable, I will not feel badly when I provide some myself. That will be o n l y for the sake of accuracy and/or clarity, of course.[/quote]Provide some yourself?? All this time, I thought you did that on a regular basis. ;D
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