Been saying it all along fedor use to be great

[Guest baseball25]

Mma has caught up with fedor, better overall fighters these days!!!!

[mat]

He has missed his opportunity to challenge the UFC

[Guest baseball25]

Yep ur right.

[baddog]

He's past his prime. It happens. Still the best champ I have seen.

[Guest baseball25]

He's the best heavyweight I've seen, but not champ in my eyes, what Anderson Silva has done the last 6 yrs is crazyyyyyyy. Fighters these days are more athletic and better in just 1 or more discpline so its caught up with fedor, championship fighters now  aren't 1 dimensual like they used to be, you got fighters that are great at stand up and on the ground, there all around fighters!!

[baddog]

Just saying, I don't think any fighter today could have taken Fedor five years ago.

No matter who it is, you will always have those who say,"Yeah, but if he would have fought...."

[Guest baseball25]

Fedor s fighting better bigger and faster athletes now, the fedor 5 yrs ago would lose, he weights 230, carwin, lesnar, dos sontos, cain, are all stud athletEs that can move and have athletic ability that fighters didn't have 5 yrs ago, fedor best win 5 yrs ago were against big nog and cro crop!!!his last couple wins of late are against arvloski, tim Sylvia who got cut from the ufc, Brett rogers who has never beat a legit top 10 heavyweight and Matt linland who weight 185 pounds, fighters these days are bigger, faster, and stronger, fedor was good in pride days  and that's it,  loook at all the pride fighters that have came to the ufc and struggled there is  alot of them, main ones cro crop and big nog...Fedor is only 34...

[mat]

Since we mentioned what ifs; It sure would have been interesting if he would have ever dropped down a class.

[Guest baseball25]

Yeah, that would have been interesting  but I don't know how he would fair against quicker and better athletes at 205, you gotta remember this isn't pride anymore, u have guys that are unbelievable athletes doing MMA now that have more than 1 discpline, I think MMA has caught up with FEDOR!!!!

[venom33]

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Fedor s fighting better bigger and faster athletes now, the fedor 5 yrs ago would lose, he weights 230, carwin, lesnar, dos sontos, cain, are all stud athletEs that can move and have athletic ability that fighters didn't have 5 yrs ago, fedor best win 5 yrs ago were against big nog and cro crop!!!his last couple wins of late are against arvloski, tim Sylvia who got cut from the ufc, Brett rogers who has never beat a legit top 10 heavyweight and Matt linland who weight 185 pounds, fighters these days are bigger, faster, and stronger, fedor was good in pride days  and that's it,  loook at all the pride fighters that have came to the ufc and struggled there is  alot of them, main ones cro crop and big nog...Fedor is only 34...
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you kill me. i could debate mma with you all day... lol  you have to take the ufc colored glasses off and realize its not all about the ufc its about the entire sport of mma and its not about what organization a fighter fights for instead its about who he fights. youre missing out on an entire world of mma out there.

you reference fedors last wins yet you only give opinions when doing so. when he fought arlovski he was ranked the #2 hw, sylvia was ranked #3 and rogers in the top 10. where theyre ranked now means nothing, it was where they were ranked at the time of the fight. you also make reference to lindlands weight being lower than fedors but never bring up the fact that fedor,in the vast majority of his fights, is fighting guys that out weigh him by a significant amount. nor do you mention the weight difference when your former champ lesnar fought couture. what top 10 hw's has brock beaten?

when referencing the pride fighters who have come to the ufc you only mention the ones who've done poorly but never bring up ex pride fighters anderson silva, shogun, liddell(oh yes), or rampage and you give no credit to nog for winning the ufc hw belt???? two of the fore mentioned fighters I believe hold belts in the ufc and one of them is considered p4p champ.

age catches up to us all eventually but losing two in a row after going undefeated for 10 years and being considered by many to be the best in the world means your career is over? keep in mind, anderson was subbed by two cans before going to the ufc!

fedor went out on his shield in the silva fight. he took a ton of damage but showed the heart of a champion and i believe deserved the 3rd round. unlike your former ufc champ who is scared to get hit and when he does runs or turtles in the fetal position and prays for a stoppage or your current champ who struggled with kongo!   :'(    ;)

did fedor get beat? BADLY! but to dis-credit his entire career and try to pick it apart is ridiculous and absurd.

[Guest baseball25]

FEdor was a great champion no doubt but the big word is (WAS) I got my opinion and i am sticking to it, those are light heavyweights ur are talking about i am talking about Heavyweights!!!silva got submitted in 2003 and 2004 and hasn't loss since, and has been dominating everyone!!!! THE UFC is NFL,NBA,MLB of MMA, the best fighters in the world want to fight in the UFC just plain and simple, I used to be a big fan of Fedor, but he lost me when he refused to sign with the UFC. Every other elite fighter signed with the UFC. He had no excuses. He claims he didn’t like Dana White, but when you claim to be that good, you need to fight on the biggest stage.
Even if Kobe Bryant or Lebron James didn’t like David Stern, it doesn’t mean they’re gonna go play in Europe or China. If you’re the best, you play with the best, on the biggest stage. Or you can’t make the claim that you’re best. Simple as that.
The Fedor apologists who claim he’s still the best, are desperately clinging to the notion that Pride had the better HWs, but that’s neither here nor there. Pride did have the better HWs at one time, no doubt. But at the end of the day, Fedor would get his butt handed to him in today’s UFC HW division.
If guys like Big Foot and Werdum are beating Fedor, I’m pretty sure even a guy like Kongo would be a stiff test for him, nevermind Cain or Dos Santos (basically Arlovski with a chin).

[bjimbo]

Fedor has always been an undersized heavyweight.  With that in mind his record speaks for itself. He has done phenominal in that weight class. His losses have not been very lopsided battles beside the stoppage this past weekend.  Yes, I beleive it is going to be tough for him to continue to hang with the bigger heavyweights and there are many like Carwin, Velasquez, Silva, ect, that I beleive it is their time to get recongnized as the elite... but NOONE can take anything away from him.  He is to UFC what Barry Sanders was to running the rock.  He is and will remian THE EMPORER of UFC!  Hands down!

[Guest baseball25]

He doesn't even fight in the UFC lol, he fights in a C plus organization, basically its the European League of basketball and then you have the NBA, everyone wants to play against the best so thats why euro players come play in the NBA, if i was fedor i would get back mentally and sign with the UFC and clean house but you know why he won't do it because he can't clean house, I like FEDOR and he was great but the guy had his chance to sign with the UFC when the UFC bought pride but what did FEDOR do he said no I am not interested, I would rather fight for a c level organization instead of the NFL of MMA. I think if he was losing these fights in the UFC it would be little different but he's losing these fights with strikeforce!!!!!!I think if you put Fedor up againt Carwin,Dos Santos, Lesnar, and Cain he loses  because these guys are a different breed than what he face 6 yrs ago in pride, they are bigger, faster, and stronger, and number 1 thing these are top notch  crazy athletes!!!! I got a feeling the winner of this strikeforce tourney will be in the UFC no doubt in my mind because Barnett and Overeem have said they would love to fight in the UFC....but Fedor said he won't fight in the UFC because he don't like DANA WHITE well how many MLB players like Selig???How many NFL players like Godell???? but you know what all these players still want to play against the ELITEEE and the BEST in the game...

[venom33]

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He doesn't even fight in the UFC lol, he fights in a C plus organization, basically its the European League of basketball and then you have the NBA, everyone wants to play against the best so thats why euro players come play in the NBA, if i was fedor i would get back mentally and sign with the UFC and clean house but you know why he won't do it because he can't clean house, I like FEDOR and he was great but the guy had his chance to sign with the UFC when the UFC bought pride but what did FEDOR do he said no I am not interested, I would rather fight for a c level organization instead of the NFL of MMA. I think if he was losing these fights in the UFC it would be little different but he's losing these fights with strikeforce!!!!!!I think if you put Fedor up againt Carwin,Dos Santos, Lesnar, and Cain he loses  because these guys are a different breed than what he face 6 yrs ago in pride, they are bigger, faster, and stronger, and number 1 thing these are top notch  crazy athletes!!!! I got a feeling the winner of this strikeforce tourney will be in the UFC no doubt in my mind because Barnett and Overeem have said they would love to fight in the UFC....but Fedor said he won't fight in the UFC because he don't like DANA WHITE well how many MLB players like Selig???How many NFL players like Godell???? but you know what all these players still want to play against the ELITEEE and the BEST in the game...
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i think comparing the ufc to the nba or the nfl is like comparing apples and kiwis. instead of comapring a company like the ufc you need to compare mma to the nfl or nba and think of the ufc and strikeforce as teams. each team has their strong players and their weaker ones, but no team has all of the best players in the sport. kinda like the ufc and strikeforce, both have great fighters with some divisions being stronger than the other but neither company has a monopoloy on the WORLDS fighters. you need to understand that the ufc didnt invent mma or combat sports as a whole, theyre just the best promoter in the u.s.. like ive said, regardless of money or whatever else you feel is important theres an entire MMA world youre missing. youve got to learn that the ufc isnt the end all be all when it comes to mma theyre just another company with some great fighters. the only thing they have over strikeforce is their promotion ability and hype machine.

it doesnt matter where fedor or anyone else for that matter fights, its who theyre fighting. if anderson silva or gsp fought for strikeforce would that lessen their status as p4p champ, their ability, or their legacy up to that point? if you answer NO to that question then you prove my point. its not where you fight its who you fight and what your record says and in NO WAY does the company a fighter works for make them any better or any worse, the fighter however dictates that.

i hope the ufc signs either barnett or overeem regardless of the outcome of the tourney. if this happens either should get an immediate title shot and the title would change hands. the ufc has always had great divisions but the hw division has NEVER been their strong suit. i guess time will tell.

[venom33]

below is a partial interview with bigfoot after the fight, ALL CLASS... Its sad that every top level fighter in the game has nothing but respect for Fedor but so many non fighters disrespect him the way they do.

Every fighter who has met him reveres how humble he is and give him nothing but gratitude for the accomplishments and so many key board warriors talk trash..… Get it?

The guy is a humble fighter who will always be the best in the eyes of the fighters he has shed blood with.



[i]Guilherme Cruz: Do you think the doctors were right to stop the fight?

Antonio Silva: Many said he could’ve returned for round number three, but I’ll tell you something - because of Fedor’s heart and his attitude as a professional, he’d have returned for sure ... If he returned, he’d have lost his eye, because I’d keep trying to hit it all the time.

The doctors are there to talk with the athlete and stop him from getting hurt. I was at the hotel and I saw him getting there around 5am, and I thought he had broken something because his face was pretty bad.

For the athlete he is, he’d have returned, but it maybe would have complicated things for him, because I was ready to fight round number three. I went into tears and the entire story went through my mind: where I come from, where I am now. I had to hold so the tears wouldn’t go down. I got puffy, but I was crazy to fight the third round.

GC: Do you still consider Fedor to be the greatest heavyweight of all times on MMA?

AS: For me, Fedor is the Pelé of MMA, besides being a very humble guy. When he left the hospital at 5am, I was at the hotel’s lobby and I talked to him and asked him not to stop fighting because he still has many things to show to the fans and that people still wanted to see him on the cage. And, after that, the guy came and kissed my forehead… Get it? He’s a wonderful guy, and everybody wants to see the best of all times in a good shape. He’s all about being humble.[/i]

[mat]

I'm a big Fedor fan. He's a great guy and is probably the best HW ever but those days may be behind him. I'm sure he can still fight but probably not a title contender. As good as he is/was, how could anyone continually defeat opponents 40 lbs heavier? It would be debatable if he is the best [b]fighter[/b] ever though.

I also agree Strikeforce has a great HW division. I strongly criticized him for not going to the UFC to prove his place in MMA. I wanted to see it but maybe he never felt the need to prove anything.

[mat]

Aside from the HW division UFC does have trhe better fighters. I think GSP will prove the pretty some.

Another thing that supports the UFC as the best is the pay. UFC pays best which attracts the best.

[Guest baseball25]

Anderson silva and Gsp fight the best fighters in the world and win that's why they are recognized pfp 2 best and bec they fight in the best organization, fedor startEd to lose his reign for not fighting and having a long layoff and for fighting in strikeforce and not ufc, to be the best u got to beat the best and the best are in the ufc, do u know why everyone has pacman pfp best in boxing!!!!! Bec he fights the best he ducks nobody and that's what champions are made of, u know why pretty boy Floyd isn't consider pfp best bec he's ducking pacman that's why!!!!! Fedor been ducking ufc for 5 yrs and their fighters!!!!! Diaz for strikeforce is really good but he won't get the recognition he deserves until he's in the ufc and fights gsp just plain and simple that's why after ever fight he calls out ufc fighters to fight bec he knows where the best fighters in the world are...

[venom33]

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Anderson silva and Gsp fight the best fighters in the world and win that's why they are recognized pfp 2 best and bec they fight in the best organization, fedor startEd to lose his reign for not fighting and having a long layoff and for fighting in strikeforce and not ufc, to be the best u got to beat the best and the best are in the ufc, do u know why everyone has pacman pfp best in boxing!!!!! Bec he fights the best he ducks nobody and that's what champions are made of, u know why pretty boy Floyd isn't consider pfp best bec he's ducking pacman that's why!!!!! Fedor been ducking ufc for 5 yrs and their fighters!!!!! Diaz for strikeforce is really good but he won't get the recognition he deserves until he's in the ufc and fights gsp just plain and simple [b]that's why after ever fight he calls out ufc fighters to fight bec he knows where the best fighters in the world are[/b]...
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exactly, after his fights diaz calls out the best FIGHTERS, they just so happen to fight in the ufc. recently, however, hes been running his mouth about mayhem miller and i dont believe he fights for the ufc.   ;D

we should be happy as fans we have two organizations who are putting on pretty good fights. that benefits us the fans and the fighters.

[mat]

The HW divisions are much closer than the the other divisions. Most rankings have Strikeforce with at least five of the top 10

[Guest baseball25]

lol, mayhem miller is the only descent guy he can fight who else is in strikeforce could he fight??? nobody because there aren't anymore good fighters to fight..the last fighter he fought was cyborg lol with a record 18-14

Feb 8th MMA Weekly Rankings-remember Werdum got cut in the UFC because he couldn't hack it


1. Cain Velasquez

2. Fabricio Werdum

3. Brock Lesnar

4. Junior Dos Santos

5. Alistair Overeem

6. Antonio Silva

7. Fedor Emelianenko

8. Shane Carwin

9. Frank Mir

10. Sergei Kharitonov

Sherdog Rankings- before fedor fight on feb 9th

1. Cain Velasquez (9-0)


2. Brock Lesnar (5-2)


3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)


4. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC)


5. Junior dos Santos (12-1)


6. Shane Carwin (12-1)


7. Frank Mir (14-5)


8. Alistair Overeem (34-11, 1 NC)


9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC)


10. Antonio Silva (15-2)

Fight Matrix Rankings
 Cain Velasquez
Last Fight: 10/23/2010 [UFC]  9-0-0 863

2    Brock Lesnar
Last Fight: 10/23/2010 [UFC]  5-2-0 533

3    Fabricio Werdum
Last Fight: 6/26/2010 [Strike Force]  14-4-1 513

4 1  Junior dos Santos
Last Fight: 8/07/2010 [UFC]  12-1-0 364

5 6  Antonio Silva
Last Fight: 2/12/2011 [Strike Force]  16-2-0 339

6    Shane Carwin
Last Fight: 7/03/2010 [UFC]  12-1-0 335

7    Frank Mir
Last Fight: 9/25/2010 [UFC]  14-5-0 320

8 4  Fedor Emelianenko
Last Fight: 2/12/2011 [Strike Force]  31-3-0 267

9 1  Alistair Overeem
Last Fight: 12/31/2010 [K-1]  34-11-0 256

10 1  Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Last Fight: 2/20/2010 [UFC]  

USA TOday Rankings As of 1-27-11

1 Cain Velasquez 99 UFC 1
2 Brock Lesnar 91 UFC 2
3 Fedor Emelianenko 89 M-1 Global / Strikeforce 3
4 Fabricio Werdum 87 Strikeforce 4
5 Junior Dos Santos 85 UFC 5
6 Shane Carwin 82 UFC 6
7 Alistair Overeem 77 Strikeforce 8
8 Frank Mir 75 UFC 7
9 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 69 UFC 9
10 Antonio Silva 54 Strikeforce 10