HJ vs Cleveland

[Trojanfan]

Cleveland should take this one. Trey Richardson will be a deciding factor and Ced will cleanup everything under the basket, Good luck Indians

[CThoops]

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[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=80948.msg974360#msg974360 date=1298951973]
FanintheStands, thank you for at least trying to help these guys understand 8) I have my opinions about HJ and I havent been scared away from the criticism that I knew I would receive.. I am envious of HJ's success.. Who wouldnt be? But to assume that your teams history must always be true is retarded.. :D I made predictions about the HJ vs. Silsbee, the fact of HJ not playing Silsbee more than 2 times, and HJ not beating Cleveland IF they played.. I also said that HJ wouldnt be a top team like they normally are.. Sorry to offend people here, I knew it would since most people on this forum have strong ties or affiliations with Hardin Jefferson.. Chill out and enjoy basketball guys ;D ;D

As for AAW, Thank you for pointing that out ;) :D Didnt want to jinx how good I was doing! Now Im set-up for a bad week..
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This is the post of the century!!!  But to assume that your teams history must always be true???? What does that mean anyway?  Not shocked to see AAW come to your defense either ;)
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:D :D :D I meant to put Repeat itself.. Made me look like an idiot there

[NaturalBeauty80]

[quote name="Trojanfan" post="974467" timestamp="1298988019"]
Cleveland should take this one. Trey Richardson will be a deciding factor and Ced will cleanup everything under the basket, Good luck Indians
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Seriously, Cleveland will win this game and continue on their journey to state.  Not to take anything from HJ, but the Indians will definitely compete.[/color][/size][/font]

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="974421" timestamp="1298958155"]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=80948.msg974386#msg974386 date=1298953768]
I know that drives me crazy. I try to teach kids that a dribble is to gain a advantage. What have you gained by just taking the ball from the backdoard ,taking it to the floor just to bring it back up to the backboard?????
[/quote]Especially when all you are doing is saying to some little short guy on the other team, "Hey, come steal the ball while its down there".

I can't tell you how many times I've seen Jarvis, Jacoby, and now Gus turn that into a fast break for our team.  Its so easy to prevent, but players do it without thinking.
[/quote]Its gotta be the X-Box syndrone. The 'Box" does all the thinking for you.

[PoppaBearstarr]

[quote name="NaturalBeauty80" post="974509" timestamp="1298993972"]
[quote author=Trojanfan link=topic=80948.msg974467#msg974467 date=1298988019]
Cleveland should take this one. Trey Richardson will be a deciding factor and Ced will cleanup everything under the basket, Good luck Indians
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Seriously, Cleveland will win this game and continue on their journey to state.  Not to take anything from HJ, but the Indians will definitely compete.[/color][/size][/font]
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Sorry but HJ has had Clevelands # the last 3 years now....They do have a great team, but they always seem to catch the HJ flu...

[BLUEDOVE3]

If I was a Cleveland fan, coach, or etc, I would be trying to figure out why do we continue to lose with more talent against a team like HJ. Hmmm? Can you teach "heart?"  ??? 8)

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="977374" timestamp="1299252768"]
If I was a Cleveland fan, coach, or etc, I would be trying to figure out why do we continue to lose with more talent against a team like HJ. Hmmm? Can you teach "heart?"   ??? 8)
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Nope- and that is something that isnt learned much in the AAU ranks either

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="977402" timestamp="1299254701"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg977374#msg977374 date=1299252768]
If I was a Cleveland fan, coach, or etc, I would be trying to figure out why do we continue to lose with more talent against a team like HJ. Hmmm? Can you teach "heart?"   ??? 8)
[/quote]

Nope- and that is something that isnt learned much in the AAU ranks either
[/quote]Unless you have a coach like Cedric Ward. ;)

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="977402" timestamp="1299254701"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg977374#msg977374 date=1299252768]
If I was a Cleveland fan, coach, or etc, I would be trying to figure out why do we continue to lose with more talent against a team like HJ. Hmmm? Can you teach "heart?"   ??? 8)
[/quote]

Nope- and that is something that isnt learned much in the AAU ranks either
[/quote]Unless you have a coach by the name of Cedric Ward.

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="977431" timestamp="1299256765"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg977402#msg977402 date=1299254701]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg977374#msg977374 date=1299252768]
If I was a Cleveland fan, coach, or etc, I would be trying to figure out why do we continue to lose with more talent against a team like HJ. Hmmm? Can you teach "heart?"   ??? 8)
[/quote]

Nope- and that is something that isnt learned much in the AAU ranks either
[/quote]Unless you have a coach by the name of Cedric Ward.
[/quote]
Perhaps Cleveland ought to try to employ Mr. Ward

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="978141" timestamp="1299334502"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg977431#msg977431 date=1299256765]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg977402#msg977402 date=1299254701]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg977374#msg977374 date=1299252768]
If I was a Cleveland fan, coach, or etc, I would be trying to figure out why do we continue to lose with more talent against a team like HJ. Hmmm? Can you teach "heart?"   ??? 8)
[/quote]

Nope- and that is something that isnt learned much in the AAU ranks either
[/quote]Unless you have a coach by the name of Cedric Ward.
[/quote]
Perhaps Cleveland ought to try to employ Mr. Ward
[/quote]Mr. Ward is quite busy right now molding and shaping another championship team ;)

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="978763" timestamp="1299453118"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978141#msg978141 date=1299334502]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg977431#msg977431 date=1299256765]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg977402#msg977402 date=1299254701]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg977374#msg977374 date=1299252768]
If I was a Cleveland fan, coach, or etc, I would be trying to figure out why do we continue to lose with more talent against a team like HJ. Hmmm? Can you teach "heart?"   ??? 8)
[/quote]

Nope- and that is something that isnt learned much in the AAU ranks either
[/quote]Unless you have a coach by the name of Cedric Ward.
[/quote]
Perhaps Cleveland ought to try to employ Mr. Ward
[/quote]Mr. Ward is quite busy right now molding and shaping another championship team ;)
[/quote]  Is that a high paying job?  Is he thereby adequately compensated for his talents/effort?

[BLUEDOVE3]

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[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg977374#msg977374 date=1299252768]
If I was a Cleveland fan, coach, or etc, I would be trying to figure out why do we continue to lose with more talent against a team like HJ. Hmmm? Can you teach "heart?"   ??? 8)
[/quote]

Nope- and that is something that isnt learned much in the AAU ranks either
[/quote]Unless you have a coach by the name of Cedric Ward.
[/quote]
Perhaps Cleveland ought to try to employ Mr. Ward
[/quote]Mr. Ward is quite busy right now molding and shaping another championship team ;)
[/quote]  Is that a high paying job?  Is he thereby adequately compensated for his talents/effort?
[/quote]It's his job now. The organization pays him-not us ;)

[stevenash]

What Championship is he grooming his players for?

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="978974" timestamp="1299514119"]
What Championship is he grooming his players for?
[/quote]AAU Championships. He's won two straight in the 13u and 14u with Houston Select. He's also one of the top and most sought out trainers in the area. A former high school coach.

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="978989" timestamp="1299514976"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978974#msg978974 date=1299514119]
What Championship is he grooming his players for?
[/quote]AAU Championships. He's won two straight in the 13u and 14u with Houston Select. He's also one of the top and most sought out trainers in the area. A former high school coach.
[/quote]

Regarding his success as an AAU coach- Do you think that has more to do with his coaching abilities or his recruiting abilities?  I dont follow AAU that much- Are you saying he has won two straight NATIONAL AAU championships?

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="978992" timestamp="1299515090"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg978989#msg978989 date=1299514976]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978974#msg978974 date=1299514119]
What Championship is he grooming his players for?
[/quote]AAU Championships. He's won two straight in the 13u and 14u with Houston Select. He's also one of the top and most sought out trainers in the area. A former high school coach.
[/quote]

Regarding his success as an AAU coach- Do you think that has more to do with his coaching abilities or his recruiting abilities?  I dont follow AAU that much- Are you saying he has won two straight NATIONAL AAU championships?
[/quote]He just coaches. He does not recruit. Yes, he has won 2-straight National AAU championships. His last year team was kinda like HJ, but going up against a team like Jack Yates in a national championship. The other team(Indiana Speice) has 2-3 projected major D-1 prospects

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="979002" timestamp="1299515722"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978992#msg978992 date=1299515090]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg978989#msg978989 date=1299514976]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978974#msg978974 date=1299514119]
What Championship is he grooming his players for?
[/quote]AAU Championships. He's won two straight in the 13u and 14u with Houston Select. He's also one of the top and most sought out trainers in the area. A former high school coach.
[/quote]

Regarding his success as an AAU coach- Do you think that has more to do with his coaching abilities or his recruiting abilities?  I dont follow AAU that much- Are you saying he has won two straight NATIONAL AAU championships?
[/quote]He just coaches. He does not recruit. Yes, he has won 2-straight National AAU championships. His last year team was kinda like HJ, but going up against a team like Jack Yates in a national championship. The other team(Indiana Speice) has 2-3 projected major D-1 prospects
[/quote]

If he doesnt recruit, how does his team get assembled?

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="979012" timestamp="1299516295"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg979002#msg979002 date=1299515722]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978992#msg978992 date=1299515090]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg978989#msg978989 date=1299514976]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978974#msg978974 date=1299514119]
What Championship is he grooming his players for?
[/quote]AAU Championships. He's won two straight in the 13u and 14u with Houston Select. He's also one of the top and most sought out trainers in the area. A former high school coach.
[/quote]

Regarding his success as an AAU coach- Do you think that has more to do with his coaching abilities or his recruiting abilities?  I dont follow AAU that much- Are you saying he has won two straight NATIONAL AAU championships?
[/quote]He just coaches. He does not recruit. Yes, he has won 2-straight National AAU championships. His last year team was kinda like HJ, but going up against a team like Jack Yates in a national championship. The other team(Indiana Speice) has 2-3 projected major D-1 prospects
[/quote]

If he doesnt recruit, how does his team get assembled?
[/quote]Someone else recruits :D

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="979043" timestamp="1299518446"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg979012#msg979012 date=1299516295]
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[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978992#msg978992 date=1299515090]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg978989#msg978989 date=1299514976]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978974#msg978974 date=1299514119]
What Championship is he grooming his players for?
[/quote]AAU Championships. He's won two straight in the 13u and 14u with Houston Select. He's also one of the top and most sought out trainers in the area. A former high school coach.
[/quote]

Regarding his success as an AAU coach- Do you think that has more to do with his coaching abilities or his recruiting abilities?  I dont follow AAU that much- Are you saying he has won two straight NATIONAL AAU championships?
[/quote]He just coaches. He does not recruit. Yes, he has won 2-straight National AAU championships. His last year team was kinda like HJ, but going up against a team like Jack Yates in a national championship. The other team(Indiana Speice) has 2-3 projected major D-1 prospects
[/quote]

If he doesnt recruit, how does his team get assembled?
[/quote]Someone else recruits :D
[/quote]

I was just curious if their success was more attributable to his coaching skills or to the "skills" of whomever recruits.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="979048" timestamp="1299518783"]
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[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80948.msg978989#msg978989 date=1299514976]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=80948.msg978974#msg978974 date=1299514119]
What Championship is he grooming his players for?
[/quote]AAU Championships. He's won two straight in the 13u and 14u with Houston Select. He's also one of the top and most sought out trainers in the area. A former high school coach.
[/quote]

Regarding his success as an AAU coach- Do you think that has more to do with his coaching abilities or his recruiting abilities?  I dont follow AAU that much- Are you saying he has won two straight NATIONAL AAU championships?
[/quote]He just coaches. He does not recruit. Yes, he has won 2-straight National AAU championships. His last year team was kinda like HJ, but going up against a team like Jack Yates in a national championship. The other team(Indiana Speice) has 2-3 projected major D-1 prospects
[/quote]

If he doesnt recruit, how does his team get assembled?
[/quote]Someone else recruits :D
[/quote]

I was just curious if their success was more attributable to his coaching skills or to the "skills" of whomever recruits.
[/quote]He demands the best from his players. Doesn't let them get away with the small things.

[stevenash]

Thats who you need for the Longhorns

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="stevenash" post="979068" timestamp="1299521382"]
Thats who you need for the Longhorns
[/quote]Exactly! And I know a few people in this area  ;) who have the same credits.

[Guest tamulonghorn]

i remember when lamar used to put together their who's who list every time the basketball job came open
we see how that has worked out

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="tamulonghorn" post="979160" timestamp="1299533039"]
i remember when lamar used to put together their who's who list every time the basketball job came open
we see how that has worked out
[/quote]Thats Lamar! The difference is that a good coach can win with the talent at HF and whats coming in to the high school.