Nederland AD hires new basketball assistant coach

[MMosley07]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1033582" timestamp="1313033356"]
You just don't get it. As I said before, if this were the 1st time, no big deal. The 2nd time raised a concern. The 3rd time causes people to question the decision, and that's what we are doing.
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[quote author=bulldog81 link=topic=86369.msg1033584#msg1033584 date=1313033496]
He gave up the girls' head coaching job 2 years ago, so that he could move over to the boys' asst. job. He was then assigned to the middle school. From what I understand, he took the girls' job back last year because he was told that he had to, when what he wanted to do was take the asst. boys' job that was open. This year he also wanted the boys' asst. job that was open, but again he was denied that job. Their is no doubt that he has made it clear that he wants to coach boys' basketball. Everyone knows that Coach English wants him to be his asst. For some reason, Coach Neumann keeps deciding to not let him have this job.
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Explain how you think Neumann somehow benefits from denying Smith an assistant boys basketball job. Do you not think there are other factors that have to be considered concerning other coaching and teaching openings?

[CATMAN]

Folks most school dist. Do not have the money like DEER PARK & BH. In setx  

[Honest Abe]

How is that condescending? 5 on 5 is just giving an opinion. It's not a direct shot at you.

[quote name="Mmosley07" post="1033587" timestamp="1313033845"]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=86369.msg1033577#msg1033577 date=1313032996]
Just so you know WE have no control over pay freezes, teachers being cut, and extra funding. This is entirely a governmental cause. As far as new facilities we did try to do something about that, however, the bond issue was voted down. Going to the school board on these issues would serve no purpose.
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I don't know what is with your repeated attempts at being condescending but I'm not sure how looking into our current property and M&O taxes wouldn't fix some of the budget problems we are experiencing. You're right, we did attempt at passing a bond. And we failed. Around next January our board will begin to put together another one. How would this serve no purpose??
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[MMosley07]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1033593" timestamp="1313034176"]
How is that condescending? 5 on 5 is just giving an opinion. It's not a direct shot at you.
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I apologize. That should've been more directed at you. I have about 5 replies coming in and I'm trying to answer them all.

And I addressed his opinion.

[bulldog81]

[quote name="Mmosley07" post="1033591" timestamp="1313034043"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=86369.msg1033582#msg1033582 date=1313033356]
You just don't get it. As I said before, if this were the 1st time, no big deal. The 2nd time raised a concern. The 3rd time causes people to question the decision, and that's what we are doing.
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[quote author=bulldog81 link=topic=86369.msg1033584#msg1033584 date=1313033496]
He gave up the girls' head coaching job 2 years ago, so that he could move over to the boys' asst. job. He was then assigned to the middle school. From what I understand, he took the girls' job back last year because he was told that he had to, when what he wanted to do was take the asst. boys' job that was open. This year he also wanted the boys' asst. job that was open, but again he was denied that job. Their is no doubt that he has made it clear that he wants to coach boys' basketball. Everyone knows that Coach English wants him to be his asst. For some reason, Coach Neumann keeps deciding to not let him have this job.
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[color=blue]Explain how you think Neumann somehow benefits from denying Smith an assistant boys basketball job. [/color] Do you not think there are other factors that have to be considered concerning other coaching and teaching openings?
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I do not think that Coach Neumann benefits in anyway from denying Coach Smith an Asst. Boys Basketball job.

[Honest Abe]

Go back and read this entire post. Plenty of OPINIONS on this situation.

[quote name="Mmosley07" post="1033591" timestamp="1313034043"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=86369.msg1033582#msg1033582 date=1313033356]
You just don't get it. As I said before, if this were the 1st time, no big deal. The 2nd time raised a concern. The 3rd time causes people to question the decision, and that's what we are doing.
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[quote author=bulldog81 link=topic=86369.msg1033584#msg1033584 date=1313033496]
He gave up the girls' head coaching job 2 years ago, so that he could move over to the boys' asst. job. He was then assigned to the middle school. From what I understand, he took the girls' job back last year because he was told that he had to, when what he wanted to do was take the asst. boys' job that was open. This year he also wanted the boys' asst. job that was open, but again he was denied that job. Their is no doubt that he has made it clear that he wants to coach boys' basketball. Everyone knows that Coach English wants him to be his asst. For some reason, Coach Neumann keeps deciding to not let him have this job.
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Explain how you think Neumann somehow benefits from denying Smith an assistant boys basketball job. Do you not think there are other factors that have to be considered concerning other coaching and teaching openings?
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[MMosley07]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1033596" timestamp="1313034419"]
Go back and read this entire post. Plenty of OPINIONS on this situation.
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I would agree. Don't you think there are other factors that have to be taken in when filling coaching and teaching positions to fulfill the needs of the district?

[MMosley07]

[quote name="bulldog81" post="1033595" timestamp="1313034409"]
I do not think that Coach Neumann benefits in anyway from denying Coach Smith an Asst. Boys Basketball job.
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I didn't mean literally. This thread comes off as Neumann picked Walker in hopes of sabotaging the boy's basketball success. Do I need to go through and copy every post in this thread to prove that?

My argument is that some on here are not looking at the bigger picture. I see complaints about short changing Coach English and the boys team but are we saying we think its the best idea for ALL kids to have the two most experienced bball coaches to both be on the boys team and leave the girls out to dry?? How do we not know that Walker was hired to fill multiple positions that couldn't be done by simply moving Coach Smith over? What would've happened to the girl's team? Don't the girls team benefit with Coach Smith's experience and leadership??

[Guest ROMO23]

Ok, I know probably for a fact that only one person in this post has played any college sports, and also probably the only person that actually got into the game and excelled in high school. If yall knew anything about "developing" kids yall would know that English doesn't need help teaching kids to play at the high school level, as he has shown with his past assistants and success. Coach Smith is very qualified to fill the position and to help out English. But for the development of the "future" of Nederland basketball, yall should want Smith as the head coach at the Middle School level to develop the kids and not taking the Assistant job at the high school where English can control that program. (Also, his son will be in 7th grade next year).

Before we make this kind of topic its own feed, we need to understand and point out how many kids in the past 10-20-30 years have actually graduated from Nederland and went on to play college basketball. I think yall need to get a new hobby.

[Honest Abe]

Yes. I'm sure there are plenty of factors that have to be considered when filling a teaching position, just like it is in other work environments. One of the jobs of the AD is to help kids reach their potential in all sports, not just FB. To many of us, it doesn't seem like this is being done in this situation.


 [quote name="Mmosley07" post="1033598" timestamp="1313034568"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=86369.msg1033596#msg1033596 date=1313034419]
Go back and read this entire post. Plenty of OPINIONS on this situation.
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I would agree. Don't you think there are other factors that have to be taken in when filling coaching and teaching positions to fulfill the needs of the district?
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[Honest Abe]

You might want to check your 'facts'.  ;)

[quote name="ROMO23" post="1033603" timestamp="1313035158"]
Ok, I know probably for a fact that only one person in this post has played any college sports, and also probably the only person that actually got into the game and excelled in high school. If yall knew anything about "developing" kids yall would know that English doesn't need help teaching kids to play at the high school level, as he has shown with his past assistants and success. Coach Smith is very qualified to fill the position and to help out English. But for the development of the "future" of Nederland basketball, yall should want Smith as the head coach at the Middle School level to develop the kids and not taking the Assistant job at the high school where English can control that program. (Also, his son will be in 7th grade next year).

Before we make this kind of topic its own feed, we need to understand and point out how many kids in the past 10-20-30 years have actually graduated from Nederland and went on to play college basketball. I think yall need to get a new hobby.
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[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="ROMO23" post="1033603" timestamp="1313035158"]
Ok, [b]I know probably for a fact that only one person in this post has played any college sports, and also probably the only person that actually got into the game and excelled in high school.[/b] If yall knew anything about "developing" kids yall would know that English doesn't need help teaching kids to play at the high school level, as he has shown with his past assistants and success. Coach Smith is very qualified to fill the position and to help out English. But for the development of the "future" of Nederland basketball, yall should want Smith as the head coach at the Middle School level to develop the kids and not taking the Assistant job at the high school where English can control that program. (Also, his son will be in 7th grade next year).

Before we make this kind of topic its own feed, we need to understand and point out how many kids in the past 10-20-30 years have actually graduated from Nederland and went on to play college basketball. I think yall need to get a new hobby.
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You would be wrong on that fact. ;)

[MMosley07]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1033605" timestamp="1313035278"]
Yes. I'm sure there are plenty of factors that have to be considered when filling a teaching position, just like it is in other work environments. One of the jobs of the AD is to [b]help kids reach their potential[/b] in all sports, [b]not just FB[/b]. To many of us, it doesn't seem like this is being done in this situation.
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So would you agree then that by having our 2 most experienced coaches serving for both girls and boys would help them both reach their potential? Don't you think the hiring of Coach English was for basketball and not football?

[Razor]

So how does hiring this new coach help football and football only...sorry, I just don't see that at all...it appears that alot of folks are making assumptions without knowing all of the facts...Nederland athletics have been very successful OVERALL, some degree of credit for this has to go to the AD, right?

[bulldog81]

[quote name="Mmosley07" post="1033600" timestamp="1313034926"]
[quote author=bulldog81 link=topic=86369.msg1033595#msg1033595 date=1313034409]
I do not think that Coach Neumann benefits in anyway from denying Coach Smith an Asst. Boys Basketball job.
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I didn't mean literally. This thread comes off as Neumann picked Walker in hopes of sabotaging the boy's basketball success. Do I need to go through and copy every post in this thread to prove that?

My argument is that some on here are not looking at the bigger picture. I see complaints about short changing Coach English and the boys team but are we saying we think its the best idea for ALL kids to have the two most experienced bball coaches to both be on the boys team and leave the girls out to dry?? How do we not know that Walker was hired to fill multiple positions that couldn't be done by simply moving Coach Smith over? What would've happened to the girl's team? [color=red]Don't the girls team benefit with Coach Smith's experience and leadership?? [/color] [/quote]

The girls absolutely benefit from having Coach Smith as their coach. But, he wants to coach boys basketball. He also has a son in middle school and I am sure that plays into the fact that he wants to coach the boys.

[MMosley07]

[quote name="Mmosley07" post="1033612" timestamp="1313035664"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=86369.msg1033605#msg1033605 date=1313035278]
Yes. I'm sure there are plenty of factors that have to be considered when filling a teaching position, just like it is in other work environments. One of the jobs of the AD is to [b]help kids reach their potential[/b] in all sports, [b]not just FB[/b]. To many of us, it doesn't seem like this is being done in this situation.
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So would you agree then that by having our 2 most experienced coaches serving for both girls and boys would help them both reach their potential? Don't you think the hiring of Coach English was for basketball and not football?
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And if you agree that multiple factors exist then I'm assuming you would agree that Walker taking a science position and assistant to 3 other sports might of been in the best interests to everyone. Like I said, I'm all for getting more coaching positions and teaching positions. Heck, if we want the best science teacher or basketball coach for our kid it would probably be better to both a specialized science teacher and specialized bball coach. But that's simply not the case.

[MMosley07]

[quote name="bulldog81" post="1033617" timestamp="1313035820"]
[quote author=Mmosley07 link=topic=86369.msg1033600#msg1033600 date=1313034926]
[quote author=bulldog81 link=topic=86369.msg1033595#msg1033595 date=1313034409]
I do not think that Coach Neumann benefits in anyway from denying Coach Smith an Asst. Boys Basketball job.
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I didn't mean literally. This thread comes off as Neumann picked Walker in hopes of sabotaging the boy's basketball success. Do I need to go through and copy every post in this thread to prove that?

My argument is that some on here are not looking at the bigger picture. I see complaints about short changing Coach English and the boys team but are we saying we think its the best idea for ALL kids to have the two most experienced bball coaches to both be on the boys team and leave the girls out to dry?? How do we not know that Walker was hired to fill multiple positions that couldn't be done by simply moving Coach Smith over? What would've happened to the girl's team? [color=red]Don't the girls team benefit with Coach Smith's experience and leadership?? [/color] [/quote]

The girls absolutely benefit from having Coach Smith as their coach. But, he wants to coach boys basketball. He also has a son in middle school and I am sure that plays into the fact that he wants to coach the boys.
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Well, we lost alot of coaches last year and alot of shuffling had to occur in a short amount of time. I would like to see Coach Smith move to boys and help Coach English but maybe that simply could not be done this year due to circumstances you and I both do not know. I would think that his decision to coach his son played a huge part in him wanting to move and rightfully so. Hopefully we can find an experienced girl's coach so that maybe he can move.

[Guest ROMO23]

How bout that new swimming coach??? Personally my kid is an all state swimmer..... Or he shoulda been if you ask me and his mother...This new coach that they are bringing in just won't help him get that breast stroke down correctly..how about that!! Noone cares about swimming in Nederland?

[asary]

[quote name="Mmosley07" post="1033587" timestamp="1313033845"]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=86369.msg1033577#msg1033577 date=1313032996]
Just so you know WE have no control over pay freezes, teachers being cut, and extra funding. This is entirely a governmental cause. As far as new facilities we did try to do something about that, however, the bond issue was voted down. Going to the school board on these issues would serve no purpose.
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[b]I don't know what is with your repeated attempts at being condescending [/b]but I'm not sure how looking into our current property and M&O taxes wouldn't fix some of the budget problems we are experiencing. You're right, we did attempt at passing a bond. And we failed. Around next January our board will begin to put together another one. How would this serve no purpose??
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Don't take this as condescending but it's always easy to spot a new poster. A simple word of advice: understand everyone has opinions....I won't change yours and you won't change mine....don't wear your feelings on your sleeve and take things too personal or you will lose some sleep from time to time....and some people on this board actually enjoy stirring things up....and you being related to the AD will need to develop very thick skin or this message board will be no fun at all for you.

[Guest ROMO23]

:)

[MMosley07]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1032135" timestamp="1312691032"]
[b]Neumann is clearly envious of the success and attention of the basketball program[/b].  The sad thing is that [b]the kids are the one's who will suffer most from this.[/b] Do you think he would [b]hire a defensive line coach to coach his QBs?[/b] I think not. He has an ex-QB at that position who is also the OC.
You are right, he may be a good football coach, [b]but he is NOT a good AD[/b].      A good AD is one who helps [b]each kid thrive in every sport[/b], not just football! The problem in Nederland is that Everyone is afraid of Neumann, including administrators. They were not innocent in this hire. They sat by and watched this take place and allowed [b]Neumann to continue his dictatorship[/b]!!
We all need to bring this atrocity [b]to our school board. If we don't, then nothing will EVER change[/b]!!
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.Envious or proud? I think everyone in Nederland that attends bball games (including Neumann) takes pride in the work Coach English has done.

.How so? Wouldn't the girl's suffer? or the science position? or the baseball position? or the football position?

.How about an ex Ned graduate and ex ULL pitcher in Coach Cody Robbins (also boy's baseball HC) to coach RB's? That's just one easy example.

.Please, our sports are doing incredibly better.

.See 2nd bullet.

.That's just hilarious.

.You're right, we do. Just not to address Neumann's nonexistent dictatorship. We need a board with a vision for Nederland that wants the best for all students, athletes, and teachers alike.

[MMosley07]

[quote name="5 on 5" post="1033623" timestamp="1313036307"]
Don't take this as condescending but it's always easy to spot a new poster. A simple word of advice: understand everyone has opinions....I won't change yours and you won't change mine....don't wear your feelings on your sleeve and take things too personal or you will lose some sleep from time to time....and some people on this board actually enjoy stirring things up....and you being related to the AD will need to develop very thick skin or this message board will be no fun at all for you.
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Hey 5 on 5, welcome back. I already apologized to you though and addressed that. Thanks for the lesson on how message boards work but I think I'm good. Just on here clearing some stuff up on Neumann's attempts at sabotaging the bball program. If my status on this message board somehow discredits what I say then I'm sorry I don't have enough posts yet to meet your approval. If I were a veteran message boarder I don't know that I would consider '82' posts as experienced though. My feelings aren't on my sleeve and I have yet to take anything personal and I surely will not lose sleep on this thread. If you enjoy stirring things up on a message board then enjoy yourself.

Me being related to the AD has zero relevance in this thread. Surely I am not the only one on this board that is capable of seeing the big picture?

Maybe instead of giving me a lesson on how message boards work you can address some of the multiple points I've brought up.

[tvc184]

But basketball is supposed to be #1 in Nederland and Neumann is sabotaging us!!


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I watched my first Nederland Bulldog basketball game about 40 years ago and I find this thread is better than renting a comedy at Redbox.  :D

[MMosley07]

[quote name="tvc184" post="1033634" timestamp="1313040138"]
But basketball is supposed to be #1 in Nederland and Neumann is sabotaging us!!

I watched my first Nederland Bulldog basketball game about 40 years ago and I find this thread is better than renting a comedy at Redbox.  :D
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So what's your stance on this. I read pages of posts filled with nonsense so I decided to say something. I bring up multiple points that go against what they are spewing and all of the sudden I am accused of being defensive and taking things personal. Am I missing something or did I just ruin the bash party?

[tvc184]

[quote name="Mmosley07" post="1033636" timestamp="1313040664"]
[quote author=tvc184 link=topic=86369.msg1033634#msg1033634 date=1313040138]
But basketball is supposed to be #1 in Nederland and Neumann is sabotaging us!!

I watched my first Nederland Bulldog basketball game about 40 years ago and I find this thread is better than renting a comedy at Redbox.  :D
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So what's your stance on this. I read pages of posts filled with nonsense so I decided to say something. I bring up multiple points that go against what they are spewing and all the of the sudden I am being defensive and taking things personal. Am I missing something or did I just ruin the bash party?
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I think you are dead on target.

I find it funny that someone claims that Larry Neumann would try to bring down a recently successful Nederland sport out of jealousy, failure to win a football championship or any of the other dribble on here. I suppose next they will claim that he is going to hire a janitor to coach the girl's softball team.

I need to read the basketball forums more often. This is entertainment!