Proof! President Obama Will Win 2012

[True Blue]

Linda Wall, a [color=red]conservative[/color] independent Virginia candidate for the House of Delegates, admitted on Wednesday that she had an affair with a female student as a junior high gym teacher in the early 1970. Just another example of how hypocritical the Rep party is.  Republican candidate Matt Fariss was named in a 2002 emergency protective order against a local woman, and was convicted in separate incidents for holding a concealed weapon and drunk driving

[True Blue]

Questioning America's minimum wage has somehow become a rite of passage in the Republican presidential primary.

Michele Bachmann has said she wouldn’t rule out lowering it. Ron Paul has predictably said it should be eliminated entirely. And Rick Perry, in his book "Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington", has rued the role the commerce clause played in "creating national minimum-wage laws" and "establishing national labor laws."

But when it comes to battling our $7.25-an-hour wage floor, these contenders have neither the vision nor the resume of current frontrunner Herman Cain.
Cain's time in the restaurant business was marked by a long and largely successful battle against minimum-wage increases, and even today, some 15 years later, many of the nation's waiters and waitresses have Cain and the restaurant lobby to thank for a federal minimum wage of $2.13 for tipped workers.
And that not the top 1% now is it????

[LumRaiderFan]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1096420" timestamp="1319765830"]
Questioning America's minimum wage has somehow become a rite of passage in the Republican presidential primary.

Michele Bachmann has said she wouldn’t rule out lowering it. Ron Paul has predictably said it should be eliminated entirely. And Rick Perry, in his book "Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington", has rued the role the commerce clause played in "creating national minimum-wage laws" and "establishing national labor laws."

But when it comes to battling our $7.25-an-hour wage floor, these contenders have neither the vision nor the resume of current frontrunner Herman Cain.
Cain's time in the restaurant business was marked by a long and largely successful battle against minimum-wage increases, and even today, some 15 years later, many of the nation's waiters and waitresses have Cain and the restaurant lobby to thank for a federal minimum wage of $2.13 for tipped workers.
And that not the top 1% now is it????
[/quote]

So if you want to make minimum wage...vote democrat!

[tvc184]

[quote name="LumRaiderFan" post="1096445" timestamp="1319766346"]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1096420#msg1096420 date=1319765830]
Questioning America's minimum wage has somehow become a rite of passage in the Republican presidential primary.

Michele Bachmann has said she wouldn’t rule out lowering it. Ron Paul has predictably said it should be eliminated entirely. And Rick Perry, in his book "Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington", has rued the role the commerce clause played in "creating national minimum-wage laws" and "establishing national labor laws."

But when it comes to battling our $7.25-an-hour wage floor, these contenders have neither the vision nor the resume of current frontrunner Herman Cain.
Cain's time in the restaurant business was marked by a long and largely successful battle against minimum-wage increases, and even today, some 15 years later, many of the nation's waiters and waitresses have Cain and the restaurant lobby to thank for a federal minimum wage of $2.13 for tipped workers.
And that not the top 1% now is it????
[/quote]

So if you want to make minimum wage...vote democrat!
[/quote]

Kind of I guess.

What it really means that if you have a minimum wage job and you are at the peak of your ability and have no hopes for any meaningful job, vote Democrat because that may be the only pay raise you get the rest of your life.

On the other hand you could actually finish high school, gets some training or college and do the unthinkable and show up for work on time, be a responsible employee, etc., and not worry about minimum wage as a career.

[LumRaiderFan]

[quote name="tvc184" post="1096472" timestamp="1319766952"]
[quote author=LumRaiderFan link=topic=87540.msg1096445#msg1096445 date=1319766346]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1096420#msg1096420 date=1319765830]
Questioning America's minimum wage has somehow become a rite of passage in the Republican presidential primary.

Michele Bachmann has said she wouldn’t rule out lowering it. Ron Paul has predictably said it should be eliminated entirely. And Rick Perry, in his book "Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington", has rued the role the commerce clause played in "creating national minimum-wage laws" and "establishing national labor laws."

But when it comes to battling our $7.25-an-hour wage floor, these contenders have neither the vision nor the resume of current frontrunner Herman Cain.
Cain's time in the restaurant business was marked by a long and largely successful battle against minimum-wage increases, and even today, some 15 years later, many of the nation's waiters and waitresses have Cain and the restaurant lobby to thank for a federal minimum wage of $2.13 for tipped workers.
And that not the top 1% now is it????
[/quote]

So if you want to make minimum wage...vote democrat!
[/quote]

Kind of I guess.

What it really means that if you have a minimum wage job and you are at the peak of your ability and have no hopes for any meaningful job, vote Democrat because that may be the only pay raise you get the rest of your life.

On the other hand you could actually finish high school, gets some training or college and do the unthinkable and show up for work on time, be a responsible employee, etc., and not worry about minimum wage as a career.
[/quote]

Agreed...no one should ever let any political party, union or any other group dictate your peak ability...in this country that is decided by you and how hard you are willing to work.

[stevenash]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1096405" timestamp="1319765476"]
Linda Wall, a [color=red]conservative[/color] independent Virginia candidate for the House of Delegates, admitted on Wednesday that she had an affair with a female student as a junior high gym teacher in the early 1970. Just another example of how hypocritical the Rep party is.  Republican candidate Matt Fariss was named in a 2002 emergency protective order against a local woman, and was convicted in separate incidents for holding a concealed weapon and drunk driving
[/quote]

1970?    Rod Blagojevich, John Edwards, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Elliot Spitzer and Anthony Weiner will all tell you that this kind of stuff is acceptable.

[True Blue]

Your right they will But The High and Mighty Rep. are above that, Right?? Are they say they are

[stevenash]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1097072" timestamp="1319817387"]
Your right they will But The High and Mighty Rep. are above that, Right?? Are they say they are
[/quote]

Human frailties exist everywhere and I dont believe any Republican said that they dont.  Can you prove otherwise?

[True Blue]

Just more proof the the people will not let the Rep top 1% take over this country.... Public employee unions in Ohio celebrated a huge victory with the repeal of Senate Bill 5 on Tuesday night. The controversial piece of legislation would have eliminated collective bargaining for public employees' benefits

[LumRaiderFan]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1109993" timestamp="1320873049"]
Just more proof the the people will not let the Rep top 1% take over this country.... Public employee unions in Ohio celebrated a huge victory with the repeal of Senate Bill 5 on Tuesday night. The controversial piece of legislation would have eliminated collective bargaining for public employees' benefits
[/quote]

Oh well...they'll eventually lose their benefits when the state is bankrupt!

[True Blue]

[quote name="LumRaiderFan" post="1109997" timestamp="1320873193"]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1109993#msg1109993 date=1320873049]
Just more proof the the people will not let the Rep top 1% take over this country.... Public employee unions in Ohio celebrated a huge victory with the repeal of Senate Bill 5 on Tuesday night. The controversial piece of legislation would have eliminated collective bargaining for public employees' benefits
[/quote]

Oh well...they'll eventually lose their benefits when the state is bankrupt!
[/quote] No the State will be just fine Just as soon as the Bush Rep tax breaks or taken away ;)

[LumRaiderFan]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1110009" timestamp="1320873529"]
[quote author=LumRaiderFan link=topic=87540.msg1109997#msg1109997 date=1320873193]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1109993#msg1109993 date=1320873049]
Just more proof the the people will not let the Rep top 1% take over this country.... Public employee unions in Ohio celebrated a huge victory with the repeal of Senate Bill 5 on Tuesday night. The controversial piece of legislation would have eliminated collective bargaining for public employees' benefits
[/quote]

Oh well...they'll eventually lose their benefits when the state is bankrupt!
[/quote] No the State will be just fine Just as soon as the Bush Rep tax breaks or taken away ;)
[/quote]

Yeah right...it's a revenue problem...no problem with the spending!

[BLUEDOVE3]

Nash is the only 1% ( per center) in this convo for the repubs. Why are these non- 0ne per centers taking up for haves? This reminds me of some history we once went through  about 148 plus years years ago

[True Blue]

Mississippi voters Tuesday defeated a ballot initiative that would've declared life begins at fertilization, a proposal that supporters sought in the Bible Belt state as a way to prompt a legal challenge to abortion rights nationwide.

The so-called "personhood" initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters, falling far short of the threshold needed for it to be enacted.
  And this is just another Vote that the REP. Tea Baggers Lost

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1110037" timestamp="1320874315"]
Mississippi voters Tuesday defeated a ballot initiative that would've declared life begins at fertilization, a proposal that supporters sought in the Bible Belt state as a way to prompt a legal challenge to abortion rights nationwide.

The so-called "personhood" initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters, falling far short of the threshold needed for it to be enacted.
  And this is just another Vote that the REP. Tea Baggers Lost
[/quote]I think people are beginning to show signs that they are sick and tired of the unbending foolishness from the right. 8)

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1110009" timestamp="1320873529"]
[quote author=LumRaiderFan link=topic=87540.msg1109997#msg1109997 date=1320873193]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1109993#msg1109993 date=1320873049]
Just more proof the the people will not let the Rep top 1% take over this country.... Public employee unions in Ohio celebrated a huge victory with the repeal of Senate Bill 5 on Tuesday night. The controversial piece of legislation would have eliminated collective bargaining for public employees' benefits
[/quote]

Oh well...they'll eventually lose their benefits when the state is bankrupt!
[/quote] No the State will be just fine Just as soon as the Bush Rep tax breaks or taken away ;)
[/quote]

A state government will be fine as soon as a federal tax cut is repealed, huh? ::)

[True Blue]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110047" timestamp="1320874542"]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1110037#msg1110037 date=1320874315]
Mississippi voters Tuesday defeated a ballot initiative that would've declared life begins at fertilization, a proposal that supporters sought in the Bible Belt state as a way to prompt a legal challenge to abortion rights nationwide.

The so-called "personhood" initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters, falling far short of the threshold needed for it to be enacted.
  And this is just another Vote that the REP. Tea Baggers Lost
[/quote]I think people are beginning to show signs that they are sick and tired of the unbending foolishness from the right. 8)
[/quote] And even if 100% of the top1% Vote for who ever they pick ,they will still be 99% short. But they you have to acount for the ones that will Vote of anyone but the BLACK GUY ;D  So that will give them a few % points

[LumRaiderFan]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110047" timestamp="1320874542"]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1110037#msg1110037 date=1320874315]
Mississippi voters Tuesday defeated a ballot initiative that would've declared life begins at fertilization, a proposal that supporters sought in the Bible Belt state as a way to prompt a legal challenge to abortion rights nationwide.

The so-called "personhood" initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters, falling far short of the threshold needed for it to be enacted.
  And this is just another Vote that the REP. Tea Baggers Lost
[/quote]I think people are beginning to show signs that they are sick and tired of the unbending foolishness from the right. 8)
[/quote]

Right...that seemed to be what folks were saying in the 2010 elections!  ::)

[tvc184]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1110009" timestamp="1320873529"]
No the State will be just fine Just as soon as the Bush Rep tax breaks or taken away ;)
[/quote]

I know this goes over a few people's heads but again, the Bush tax cuts are federal taxes and Ohio is state taxes. The Bush tax cuts have nothing to do with Ohio. Your usual blame Bush cry is again wrong and not even in the same ballpark.

Bear in mind that the Democratic controlled Congress extended the Bush tax cuts and Obama signed it.

[True Blue]

[quote name="tvc184" post="1110100" timestamp="1320876208"]
[quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1110009#msg1110009 date=1320873529]
No the State will be just fine Just as soon as the Bush Rep tax breaks or taken away ;)
[/quote]

I know this goes over a few people's heads but again, the Bush tax cuts are federal taxes and Ohio is state taxes. The Bush tax cuts have nothing to do with Ohio. Your usual blame Bush cry is again wrong and not even in the same ballpark.

Bear in mind that the Democratic controlled Congress extended the Bush tax cuts and Obama signed it.
[/quote] I know this my be beneath you But as Soon as the Fed taxes get back into the system people will have more money to spend in the STATE STORES and and pay STATE TAXES that puts money back in the State Budget.. And Obama Did Extend the Tax cuts, not one of my favorites moves, And he has made a few misstakes and that was one of them.. But at least he has not gotten in to a Trillion dollar war( The report disavowed previous estimates of the Iraq War's cost as being under $1 trillion. the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion dollars by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen)

[tvc184]

Let me get this straight, when the feds go up on taxes, the people have less money in their pockets to spend. Even though they have less to spend, they will then spend more on goods and services in their state so the state will get more taxes?

I've got it now. When you have less take home pay, you spend more.

Right.

TB has figured out the solution. If we tax people more and they have less to spend on their bills and luxuries, they will respond but spending even more.




Can someone other than TB explain that rationale to me.

[True Blue]

[quote name="tvc184" post="1110155" timestamp="1320879006"]
Let me get this straight, when the feds go up on taxes, the people have less money in their pockets to spend. Even though they have less to spend, they will then spend more on goods and services in their state so the state will get more taxes?

I've got it now. When you have less take home pay, you spend more.

Right.

TB has figured out the solution. If we tax people more and they have less to spend on their bills and luxuries, they will respond but spending even more.




Can someone other than TB explain that rationale to me.
[/quote] See I knew that this was beneath you ;) ,seeing you are in the top 1% making over 250,000 a yr. :o Because that is the only class that is getting the Bush Tax Cuts. But With that money put into the ecom. people WILL have more money to spend, and The TOP 1% will have less to  hide overseas....

[True Blue]

President Barack Obama still holds significant leads among likely Latino voters over Republican candidates for the 2012 election, partially because most Latinos don't know or don't like the GOP field, As another women prepairs to hold a pres conference on Cain Sex assault...

[tvc184]

[quote name="True Blue" post="1110181" timestamp="1320880633"]
See I knew that this was beneath you ;) ,seeing you are in the top 1% [size=10pt][b]making over 250,000 a yr. :o Because that is the only class that is getting the Bush Tax Cuts. [/b][/size]But With that money put into the ecom. people WILL have more money to spend, and The TOP 1% will have less to  hide overseas....
[/quote]

Sorry but you are wrong (everyone else is stunned right?).

The Bush tax cuts were not only for the over $250K bracket but I am sure that you have been convinced of that. In fact almost everyone (except for those that don't pay taxes) got about a 3% cut in taxes.

My tax burden went down several hundred dollars a year and I am nowhere near the $250K bracket.

Sorry to bust your bubble............ well not really.

[NDOMAKONG]

How does paying more taxes put money into the economy, maybe I'm an idiot?