One4All Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 Still no comparison P.a has more than one league u can play in with 3 different teams..........Png has one team one league ALL Kids play in ......btw you miss counted on number of schools in p.a .......png 1 high school....p.a 1 high school....bmt 3 high schools, public that is !!!!
dogfather Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 [quote name="LR33" post="1060477" timestamp="1316441443"]Hats off to you my friend and your team!!! Nederland Black is no Joke!!! BIG,BIG,BIG!!! This was a great Game. This goes to SmashMouth, All my kids are solid in my and there parents eyes!!! And yes we pray because GOD tells us to...[/quote]awesome take that smashy mouth
SmashMouth Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 [quote name="dogfather" post="1061089" timestamp="1316518130"][quote author=LR33 link=topic=88071.msg1060477#msg1060477 date=1316441443]Hats off to you my friend and your team!!! Nederland Black is no Joke!!! BIG,BIG,BIG!!! This was a great Game. This goes to SmashMouth, All my kids are solid in my and there parents eyes!!! And yes we pray because GOD tells us to...[/quote]awesome take that smashy mouth[/quote]Read my comment he was replying to. I stated that the Lum White team was not just a product of "Great Coaching" (as someone suggested), but a group of good athletes. I also stated that Ned Black team was a very good team and without a little prayer involved, Lum White would have lost that game. So, I don't know where YOUR comment comes from, but get your "stuff" together before you make a stupid comment...Now, take that Doggy Breath.
dogfather Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 [quote name="SmashMouth" post="1061102" timestamp="1316518962"][quote author=dogfather link=topic=88071.msg1061089#msg1061089 date=1316518130][quote author=LR33 link=topic=88071.msg1060477#msg1060477 date=1316441443]Hats off to you my friend and your team!!! Nederland Black is no Joke!!! BIG,BIG,BIG!!! This was a great Game. This goes to SmashMouth, All my kids are solid in my and there parents eyes!!! And yes we pray because GOD tells us to...[/quote]awesome take that smashy mouth[/quote]Read my comment he was replying to. I stated that the Lum White team was not just a product of "Great Coaching" (as someone suggested), but a group of good athletes. I also stated that Ned Black team was a very good team and without a little prayer involved, Lum White would have lost that game. So, I don't know where YOUR comment comes from, but get your "stuff" together before you make a stupid comment...Now, take that Doggy Breath.[/quote]Dude calm down just playin I appreciate the compliments and the the -6 points I think u gave me on the game this week. Actually you are the first to give us any kind of compliment so thanks..
SmashMouth Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 [quote name="dogfather" post="1061264" timestamp="1316534989"][quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=88071.msg1061102#msg1061102 date=1316518962][quote author=dogfather link=topic=88071.msg1061089#msg1061089 date=1316518130][quote author=LR33 link=topic=88071.msg1060477#msg1060477 date=1316441443]Hats off to you my friend and your team!!! Nederland Black is no Joke!!! BIG,BIG,BIG!!! This was a great Game. This goes to SmashMouth, All my kids are solid in my and there parents eyes!!! And yes we pray because GOD tells us to...[/quote]awesome take that smashy mouth[/quote]Read my comment he was replying to. I stated that the Lum White team was not just a product of "Great Coaching" (as someone suggested), but a group of good athletes. I also stated that Ned Black team was a very good team and without a little prayer involved, Lum White would have lost that game. So, I don't know where YOUR comment comes from, but get your "stuff" together before you make a stupid comment...Now, take that Doggy Breath.[/quote]Dude calm down just playin I appreciate the compliments and the the -6 points I think u gave me on the game this week. Actually you are the first to give us any kind of compliment so thanks..[/quote]Ohhhh...nevermind. LOL. Good luck Ned Black!
Gusher Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 [quote name="One4All" post="1061049" timestamp="1316493938"]Still no comparison P.a has more than one league u can play in with 3 different teams..........Png has one team one league ALL Kids play in ......btw you miss counted on number of schools in p.a .......png 1 high school....p.a 1 high school....bmt 3 high schools, public that is !!!![/quote]So I guess the answer is PA has no restrictions then right. Not that it makes a difference here on a messageboard but you have to admit teams that have more kids to draw from have a advantage. If Bmt is limited to (someone please fill in the blank) and that limitation is a say 3,500 kids than why would you say there is no comparison to PA. By the way unless we have high school kids playing on any of the teams I did not include any of those enrollment numbers.
SmashMouth Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 [quote name="Gusher" post="1061392" timestamp="1316546411"][quote author=One4All link=topic=88071.msg1061049#msg1061049 date=1316493938]Still no comparison P.a has more than one league u can play in with 3 different teams..........Png has one team one league ALL Kids play in ......btw you miss counted on number of schools in p.a .......png 1 high school....p.a 1 high school....bmt 3 high schools, public that is !!!![/quote]So I guess the answer is PA has no restrictions then right. Not that it makes a difference here on a messageboard but you have to admit teams that have more kids to draw from have a advantage. If Bmt is limited to (someone please fill in the blank) and that limitation is a say 3,500 kids than why would you say there is no comparison to PA. By the way unless we have high school kids playing on any of the teams I did not include any of those enrollment numbers.[/quote]Gusher, define what you mean by restrictions. There are only 30 kids allowed per team, there are age and weight requirements by each class (Flag/Pee Wee/Jr/Sr) as well as other guidelines that must be followed (Draft rules, certification rules, etc...Go STJFL.NET and look up By-laws, etc). PA is not allowed to go to the playoffs, so there involvement this year is restricted only to the kids being allowed to play in the games (which is good). Please define your question more clearly.
unbelievable Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 I think what Gusher was asking is this: why is PA allowed to have 9 elementary schools to pull kids from when Beaumont was limited to 5? Beaumont also only has 2 middle schools to pull from. Also, to whomever made the comment earlier about there being other leagues in PA, Beaumont has a Pop Warner league, the Salvation Army league and the infamous BULLS to compete with. We are certainly not the only game in town.
SmashMouth Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 [quote name="unbelievable" post="1061611" timestamp="1316562527"]I think what Gusher was asking is this: why is PA allowed to have 9 elementary schools to pull kids from when Beaumont was limited to 5? Beaumont also only has 2 middle schools to pull from. Also, to whomever made the comment earlier about there being other leagues in PA, Beaumont has a Pop Warner league, the Salvation Army league and the infamous BULLS to compete with. We are certainly not the only game in town. [/quote]Thanks, that's a much clearer statement. Gusher, consider schools like WOS and Lumberton who have 1 High School, Middle School, Elementary School etc. Both programs have excellent results at most or all levels. Beaumont teams are new to STJFL. They will become well established powerhouses in due time (some may have already arrived).
Gusher Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 I agree teams like WOS and Lumberton who only have around 1,000 kids from 1st-8th grade have only about a third of the kids that PA has available, and have done very well over the years. I just find it odd that the STJFL placed restrictions on Bmt. that limited them to XXXX number of kids and not PA. Now if that restricted number for Bmt is the same as the potential numbers for PA then great. BUT i just don't think that was taken into consideration when PA granted admission to the STJFL. HEY I know that it only takes 20 or so to have a team and if don properly everything works out.
TradinUp BH Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 Ok guys I did a little research. I did it by [b]6th graders[/b], who would be [b]senior tackle[/b] because that was easiest to get numbers as close as possible. What I did was get enrollment figures from what campus had a 6th grade and then divided the number of grades by total campus population and came up with the figures. It's not exact, but might show the difference. These numbers are boys and girls. Here it goes:1. Port Arthur 670 Kids (3 middle schools)2. Nederland 544 (CO Wilson, Central)3. Beaumont 437 (Vincent, Marshall)4. Vidor 3655. PNG 338 (PN MS, Groves MS)6. Lumberton 3027. Bridge City 1948. WOS 1779. Little Cypress 17010.Orangefield 13511. Kountze 104Now they could let Beaumont have the North End with (Austin MS, MLK, Smith 443 kids) have a team and then the South End (Odom,South Park 387 kids) have a team. That should be done to let everyone play. JMHO
TradinUp BH Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 Another thing they could do is let every elementary school have a team. They did this when we lived in Katy. Whatever school you went to that was your team. The team names were the mascots from the school. That was neat. That might divide up the bigger schools to where everyone had an equal amount of kids. Just saying ;D
Guest sly0071 Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 You can't include St. Anne because 6th graders play school football there.
TradinUp BH Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 [quote name="sly0071" post="1062225" timestamp="1316647146"]You can't include St. Anne because 6th graders play school football there.[/quote]I only added 53 kids from St. Annes on there. So make it 437 kids. I changed it for you. ;D
Guest sly0071 Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 Thanks :)I am not being difficult, but it does make a difference knowing that there are several kids you lose going from Juniors to Senior.
dogfather Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 [quote name="Scalp'em" post="1062212" timestamp="1316644596"]Another thing they could do is let every elementary school have a team. They did this when we lived in Katy. Whatever school you went to that was your team. The team names were the mascots from the school. That was neat. That might divide up the bigger schools to where everyone had an equal amount of kids. Just saying ;D[/quote]Are our elementary schools the same size as Katy area? As far as inrolement per school..This is how they did it in fort worth area I lived there for a while in 5th grade it was pretty cool like that. Nobody ran away with nothing up there...
Gusher Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 [quote name="Scalp'em" post="1062206" timestamp="1316643587"]Ok guys I did a little research. I did it by [b]6th graders[/b], who would be [b]senior tackle[/b] because that was easiest to get numbers as close as possible. What I did was get enrollment figures from what campus had a 6th grade and then divided the number of grades by total campus population and came up with the figures. It's not exact, but might show the difference. These numbers are boys and girls. Here it goes:1. Nederland 544 kids (CO Wilson, Central)2. Port Arthur 454 (TJMS,Lincoln MS)3. Beaumont 437 (Vincent, Marshall)4. Vidor 3655. PNG 338 (PN MS, Groves MS)6. Lumberton 3027. Bridge City 1948. WOS 1779. Little Cypress 17010.Orangefield 13511. Kountze 104Now they could let Beaumont have the North End with (Austin MS, MLK, Smith 443 kids) have a team and then the South End (Odom,South Park 387 kids) have a team. That should be done to let everyone play. JMHO[/quote]It is very hard to get some clear numbers for some of the schools but now way PA has 100 less number of 6th graders than Nederland. I think you may have left out some numbers from their 3 middle school Austin, Edison, Lincoln.
TradinUp BH Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 I took numbers from school digger, and had to divide overall of the campus. Like I said the numbers may be off a little, but not too much. PAISD numbers continue to decline.
SmashMouth Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 [quote name="gunning for u" post="1062758" timestamp="1316725263"]Heck seeing those enrollment numbers makes me wonder how wos always has 1 team and everyone on that team just so happens to be good. from flag to seniors. and don't tell me its just the coaching because it takes the kids as well.[/quote]It takes Good Coaching AND good athletes. WOS has both. I wouldn't try to read any conspiracy theories into it. WOS breeds football players...just like Indiana breeds Hoosiers. WOS will always have a good program from Pee Wee to Varsity as long as they keep the enthusiasm for football in the community...and NO, I am not from WOS.
Gusher Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 [quote name="Scalp'em" post="1062996" timestamp="1316747463"]I took numbers from school digger, and had to divide overall of the campus. Like I said the numbers may be off a little, but not too much. PAISD numbers continue to decline.[/quote]OK I looked at the school digger site and they only list 2 of the 3 middle schools Eddison and Austin listed in PA so I am sure that is why your numbers looked low.http://www.city-data.com/school/lincoln-middle-school3-tx.html#Attendance09So it looks like you could add another 218 kids to that list. so maybe around 670 6th graders boys and girls.Good discussion I like it.
TradinUp BH Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 [quote name="Gusher" post="1063400" timestamp="1316800789"][quote author=Scalp'em link=topic=88071.msg1062996#msg1062996 date=1316747463]I took numbers from school digger, and had to divide overall of the campus. Like I said the numbers may be off a little, but not too much. PAISD numbers continue to decline.[/quote]OK I looked at the school digger site and they only list 2 of the 3 middle schools Eddison and Austin listed in PA so I am sure that is why your numbers looked low.http://www.city-data.com/school/lincoln-middle-school3-tx.html#Attendance09So it looks like you could add another 218 kids to that list. so maybe around 670 6th graders boys and girls.Good discussion I like it.[/quote]I changed it. Thanks!
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