Two Nederland starters suspended

[Cheermom4]

[quote name="fwstangs" post="1073787" timestamp="1317783901"]
[quote author=Cheermom4 link=topic=88772.msg1073181#msg1073181 date=1317738121]
[quote author=fwstangs link=topic=88772.msg1073108#msg1073108 date=1317728786]
[quote author=Ned11str8 link=topic=88772.msg1066434#msg1066434 date=1317031562]
[quote author=td link=topic=88772.msg1066432#msg1066432 date=1317030915]
This sounds like kids just being kids. I'm not sure why some people are making a big deal out of it. I for one am glad I didn't get caught doing all of the stupid things I did as a teen. Let them take their punishment and move on.
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Amen td ! Amen  . They're children
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And at 18 they are adults - stop hiding behind they are children, does something really dumb they will be tried as adults.
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Sorry but all of my children turned/will turn 18 at he beginning of their Senior year.  Legally they are an adult but mentally they are still a teenager who still has lots to learn.

I still can't believe we are still talking about this after all this time.  The kids made a mistake and were punished for it, let it be.
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This is something we need to talk about every day maam. Sorry my kids are not 18 till the start of their senior year??? What does that have to do with anything?? Mine were 17 when they graduated, but they were taught that they have to be ready to accept the consequences for their mistakes and at some point that would be as adults. We did not and will never hide behind this banal kids making mistakes. Geezus criminy - are we seeing why we have a problem? This is not a nederland, PNG or Friendswood issue - this is a big time society issue and for some one to get tired of talking about it tells me alot.
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Where in my posts did I say that they should take responsibility for what they did?  I do and have taught my children even my youngest one who is in elementary school that there are consequences to your actions.  Apparently those kids who got caught accepted their consequences.  What I have a problem with is everyone is still talking about it and beating a dead horse so to speak. 

[Cheermom4]

[quote name="bulldogfan22" post="1073804" timestamp="1317785913"]
yes i heard that the two players have practiced and will start friday
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I thought the punishment was 6 weeks? 

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="Cheermom4" post="1073911" timestamp="1317823270"]
[quote author=fwstangs link=topic=88772.msg1073787#msg1073787 date=1317783901]
[quote author=Cheermom4 link=topic=88772.msg1073181#msg1073181 date=1317738121]
[quote author=fwstangs link=topic=88772.msg1073108#msg1073108 date=1317728786]
[quote author=Ned11str8 link=topic=88772.msg1066434#msg1066434 date=1317031562]
[quote author=td link=topic=88772.msg1066432#msg1066432 date=1317030915]
This sounds like kids just being kids. I'm not sure why some people are making a big deal out of it. I for one am glad I didn't get caught doing all of the stupid things I did as a teen. Let them take their punishment and move on.
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Amen td ! Amen  . They're children
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And at 18 they are adults - stop hiding behind they are children, does something really dumb they will be tried as adults.
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Sorry but all of my children turned/will turn 18 at he beginning of their Senior year.  Legally they are an adult but mentally they are still a teenager who still has lots to learn.

I still can't believe we are still talking about this after all this time.  The kids made a mistake and were punished for it, let it be.
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This is something we need to talk about every day maam. Sorry my kids are not 18 till the start of their senior year??? What does that have to do with anything?? Mine were 17 when they graduated, but they were taught that they have to be ready to accept the consequences for their mistakes and at some point that would be as adults. We did not and will never hide behind this banal kids making mistakes. Geezus criminy - are we seeing why we have a problem? This is not a nederland, PNG or Friendswood issue - this is a big time society issue and for some one to get tired of talking about it tells me alot.
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Where in my posts did I say that they should take responsibility for what they did?  I do and have taught my children even my youngest one who is in elementary school that there are consequences to your actions.  Apparently those kids who got caught accepted their consequences.  What I have a problem with is everyone is still talking about it and beating a dead horse so to speak.
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AAAAAAAmen!

[Guest 58SHW]

[quote name="Cheermom4" post="1073385" timestamp="1317753053"]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073382#msg1073382 date=1317752399]
[quote author=Cheermom4 link=topic=88772.msg1073377#msg1073377 date=1317751396]
I was not referring to the OF kids being killed.  [b]There is no comparing the kids doing whatever on top of the doggie dome to the OF kids being killed at 3AM in a car crash.[/b]I know as a parent I have never and will never supply alcohol to minors.  There are too many things that could happen and I do not want their blood on my hands.  I also know that if someone supplied alcohol to my child and something happened I would do everything in my power to have them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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Maybe not a comparison, but there is apparently a connection. Per at least one poster, they attended the same party. Ned kids were obviosly luckier than the OF kids....seems they did drive from PN to Ned to pull their silly kid stunt.

Besides I didnt say you did "compare" them. I was just stating perhaps WHY some are still talking about it.

All I did was mention those who "paid" their debt, for their mistakes, being with their life or missing activities. BUT, there is no mention to the consequences of the adult AND that following not one but two DUI arrest, LU brings them to our home area (not to mention the boastful article by the BE, as giving second chances)..just saying, Id bet a whole lot that the parents of the OF kids WISH they had a second chance.
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Totally understand but from what I have heard the kids from OF went to a couple of different parties after they left he one in PN (again not taking up for the parents where this party took place).  If I remember correctly they were at one that was in Mauricville.  Not that it matter because because no amount of second guessing will bring those boys back.  I am also positive there are parties going on in every community in America every Friday and Saturday night where alcohol is served to minors.  I don't agree with and [b]all I can do is teach my kids right from wrong[/b] and hopefully it sinks in and they remember.

I haven't read the BE paper in years so I can't comment on an article that I haven't read.  But in no way shape or form should drinking/ drinking and driving be glammerized.
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That is definately a great start, but there is always more.

Whereas on the extreme measure, people who are charged with felony crimes will pay their debt to society, however, they lose certain privleges in addition to that...voting, gun ownership...etc and some argue those are rights under the constitution. But when you cross certain lines, you lose those rights.

If not only parents teaching kids, but law enforcement, coaches, and school admin would simply state, if you are involved in certain levels of crimes (or mischief as some call it) that even "potentialy" hurt another person, then your extraciricular priveleges are revoked. (selling of drugs, DUI, DWI, assault etc)

Problem, as on the LU thread, it is more important to WIN at all cost and continue to allow some to break laws and endanger others than to make this highly contrivercial stand.

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="58SHW" post="1073926" timestamp="1317824770"]
[quote author=Cheermom4 link=topic=88772.msg1073385#msg1073385 date=1317753053]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073382#msg1073382 date=1317752399]
[quote author=Cheermom4 link=topic=88772.msg1073377#msg1073377 date=1317751396]
I was not referring to the OF kids being killed.  [b]There is no comparing the kids doing whatever on top of the doggie dome to the OF kids being killed at 3AM in a car crash.[/b]I know as a parent I have never and will never supply alcohol to minors.  There are too many things that could happen and I do not want their blood on my hands.  I also know that if someone supplied alcohol to my child and something happened I would do everything in my power to have them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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Maybe not a comparison, but there is apparently a connection. Per at least one poster, they attended the same party. Ned kids were obviosly luckier than the OF kids....seems they did drive from PN to Ned to pull their silly kid stunt.

Besides I didnt say you did "compare" them. I was just stating perhaps WHY some are still talking about it.

All I did was mention those who "paid" their debt, for their mistakes, being with their life or missing activities. BUT, there is no mention to the consequences of the adult AND that following not one but two DUI arrest, LU brings them to our home area (not to mention the boastful article by the BE, as giving second chances)..just saying, Id bet a whole lot that the parents of the OF kids WISH they had a second chance.
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Totally understand but from what I have heard the kids from OF went to a couple of different parties after they left he one in PN (again not taking up for the parents where this party took place).  If I remember correctly they were at one that was in Mauricville.  Not that it matter because because no amount of second guessing will bring those boys back.  I am also positive there are parties going on in every community in America every Friday and Saturday night where alcohol is served to minors.  I don't agree with and [b]all I can do is teach my kids right from wrong[/b] and hopefully it sinks in and they remember.

I haven't read the BE paper in years so I can't comment on an article that I haven't read.  But in no way shape or form should drinking/ drinking and driving be glammerized.
[/quote]

That is definately a great start, but there is always more.

Whereas on the extreme measure, people who are charged with felony crimes will pay their debt to society, however, they lose certain privleges in addition to that...voting, gun ownership...etc and some argue those are rights under the constitution. But when you cross certain lines, you lose those rights.

If not only parents teaching kids, but law enforcement, coaches, and school admin would simply state, if you are involved in certain levels of crimes (or mischief as some call it) that even "potentialy" hurt another person, then your extraciricular priveleges are revoked. (selling of drugs, DUI, DWI, assault etc)

Problem, as on the LU thread, [b]it is more important to WIN at all cost and continue to allow some to break laws and endanger others [/b] than to make this highly contrivercial stand.
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When you have paid your debt to society, then (generally speaking) your privileges are reinstated.  If these young athletes did the wrong thing and got themselves in trouble, then they should be punished.  BUT...when the punishment has been fulfilled, they should be able to return to normal activities (including College football).  Get off of your high horse and quit making idiotic comments that have not been thought out just because you have a "beef" with what many, many, many colleges do regarding "second chance" players.  The Lamar staff never said it is more important to WIN at ALL COST, nor have they portrayed that stance with their actions.  You are exaggerating to make a point.  If you don't like the choices they have made, simply state that.  Otherwise, don't crucify someone for the rest of their life when their debt has been paid.  Let us all thank God that he forgives those of us that ask for it, and that we are not condemned forever (except maybe in your mind) to damnation for our indiscretions and wrongdoings.  Wasn't this thread about Nederland kids, anyway?

[Guest 58SHW]

Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="58SHW" post="1073966" timestamp="1317827382"]
Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
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What doe "Why and/or why not?" mean.  Also, please explain the question more clearly.  It is hard to understand.  If I understand it right, then it is an insanely stupid question.  Please clarify.

[Cheermom4]

[quote name="58SHW" post="1073966" timestamp="1317827382"]
Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
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Like I stated earlier no matter what kids died or from what party they came from heads should roll period.  I don't think anyone has stated that this should be swept under the rug but this thread is about the Ned. kids caught on the doggie dome not about the OF kids.  Someone just brought them into the fray and I think you are taking what we are saying about the Ned. kids and putting it with the OF kids which is not the case.  It is a separate incident and totally different.  We can what if all day long about the Ned. kids but nothing happened to any of them they are still alive so for me there is no comparison.

Also all of my statements are about the Ned. kids.  Apparently you have a problem with their punishment or something, I am not sure.  I still don't see why you are beating a dead horse on this issue.

[PN-G bamatex]

I just want to clarify something real quick. Per a very reliable source, the OF kids that died in that tragedy were not coming home from a party in Port Neches, or anywhere else in Mid-County. If they were ever at the party in question (which I doubt providing my information is correct, and I find it hard to believe otherwise), they had left long before the car accident.

In any case, I think it's time for this conversation to end. I agree that kids need to be taught about consequences and that examples like these should be used to convince them to think twice, but an argument on an internet message board does nothing to that end and many of the persons in question are minors.

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1073988" timestamp="1317829032"]
I just want to clarify something real quick. Per a very reliable source, the OF kids that died in that tragedy were not coming home from a party in Port Neches, or anywhere else in Mid-County. If they were ever at the party in question (which I doubt providing my information is correct, and I find it hard to believe otherwise), they had left long before the car accident.

In any case, I think it's time for this conversation to end. I agree that kids need to be taught about consequences and that examples like these should be used to convince them to think twice, but an argument on an internet message board does nothing to that end and many of the persons in question are minors.
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You are correct.  Time to let it end.

[Guest 58SHW]

[quote name="SmashMouth" post="1073974" timestamp="1317828048"]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073966#msg1073966 date=1317827382]
Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
[/quote]

What doe "Why and/or why not?" mean.  Also, please explain the question more clearly.  It is hard to understand.  If I understand it right, then it is an insanely stupid question.  Please clarify.
[/quote]

Ok, let me type this a whole lot slower.

If  one  of  the Ned  kids  had  fallen  and  died,  would  you  have  felt  any  different  about  this  situation?

Why  would  you  have  felt  the  same,  or  why  would  you  have  felt  differently?

it is all opinions here, and obviously some of yours vary from mine. But if a person purposly pulls a gun and starts shooting, you could be charged with attempted murder. Therefore IMO (regardless of yours) If a person purposely gets drunk, purposely gets behinds a wheel and purposely drives (and potentialy puts my family's life at risk) it should be attempted murder or manslaughter.

It is an intentional act that puts other (innocent) peoples lives in danger, and if its considered a dead horse so be it.....alot better than a dead people.

[AggiesAreWe]

Why was the punishment cut short for the Ned kids? Weren't they suppose to be out 30 days? Now they are back practicing and will play this Friday.

What changed?

[Guest 58SHW]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1073999" timestamp="1317829501"]
Why was the punishment cut short for the Ned kids? Weren't they suppose to be out 30 days? Now they are back practicing and will play this Friday.

What changed?
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The opponent changed!

Playing Livingston for what most believe is the 20-4A district championship.

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="58SHW" post="1073997" timestamp="1317829450"]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=88772.msg1073974#msg1073974 date=1317828048]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073966#msg1073966 date=1317827382]
Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
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What doe "Why and/or why not?" mean.  Also, please explain the question more clearly.  It is hard to understand.  If I understand it right, then it is an insanely stupid question.  Please clarify.
[/quote]

Ok, let me type this a whole lot slower.

If  one  of  the Ned  kids  had  fallen  and  died,  would  you  have  felt  any  different  about  this  situation?

Why  would  you  have  felt  the  same,  or  why  would  you  have  felt  differently?

it is all opinions here, and obviously some of yours vary from mine. But if a person purposly pulls a gun and starts shooting, you could be charged with attempted murder. Therefore IMO (regardless of yours) If a person purposely gets drunk, purposely gets behinds a wheel and purposely drives (and potentialy puts my family's life at risk) it should be attempted murder or manslaughter.

It is an intentional act that puts other (innocent) peoples lives in danger, and if its considered a dead horse so be it.....alot better than a dead people.
[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying your question.  Now I can tell that it truly was a stupid question and not just very poorly written.  Let me ask you this.  Do you agree that speeding on the freeway is dangerous...even deadly?  Have you ever gone over the speed limit?  If you were pulled over for speeding, should you be arrested for attempted murder or manslaughter?  How do you like your steak cooked?  What are you wearing right now.  Will these stupid questions or analogies ever stop?  ...Get my point?

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="58SHW" post="1074006" timestamp="1317829870"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=88772.msg1073999#msg1073999 date=1317829501]
Why was the punishment cut short for the Ned kids? Weren't they suppose to be out 30 days? Now they are back practicing and will play this Friday.

What changed?
[/quote]

The opponent changed!

Playing Livingston for what most believe is the 20-4A district championship.
[/quote]


Hmmm.... food for thought.

[Guest 58SHW]

[quote name="SmashMouth" post="1074008" timestamp="1317829877"]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073997#msg1073997 date=1317829450]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=88772.msg1073974#msg1073974 date=1317828048]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073966#msg1073966 date=1317827382]
Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
[/quote]

What doe "Why and/or why not?" mean.  Also, please explain the question more clearly.  It is hard to understand.  If I understand it right, then it is an insanely stupid question.  Please clarify.
[/quote]

Ok, let me type this a whole lot slower.

If  one  of  the Ned  kids  had  fallen  and  died,  would  you  have  felt  any  different  about  this  situation?

Why  would  you  have  felt  the  same,  or  why  would  you  have  felt  differently?

it is all opinions here, and obviously some of yours vary from mine. But if a person purposly pulls a gun and starts shooting, you could be charged with attempted murder. Therefore IMO (regardless of yours) If a person purposely gets drunk, purposely gets behinds a wheel and purposely drives (and potentialy puts my family's life at risk) it should be attempted murder or manslaughter.

It is an intentional act that puts other (innocent) peoples lives in danger, and if its considered a dead horse so be it.....alot better than a dead people.
[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying your question.  Now I can tell that it truly was a stupid question and not just very poorly written.  Let me ask you this.  Do you agree that speeding on the freeway is dangerous...even deadly?  Have you ever gone over the speed limit?  If you were pulled over for speeding, should you be arrested for attempted murder or manslaughter?  How do you like your steak cooked?  What are you wearing right now.  Will these stupid questions or analogies ever stop?  ...Get my point?
[/quote]

In fact I do! Anytihng can be justified! ;)

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="58SHW" post="1074012" timestamp="1317830174"]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=88772.msg1074008#msg1074008 date=1317829877]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073997#msg1073997 date=1317829450]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=88772.msg1073974#msg1073974 date=1317828048]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073966#msg1073966 date=1317827382]
Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
[/quote]

What doe "Why and/or why not?" mean.  Also, please explain the question more clearly.  It is hard to understand.  If I understand it right, then it is an insanely stupid question.  Please clarify.
[/quote]

Ok, let me type this a whole lot slower.

If  one  of  the Ned  kids  had  fallen  and  died,  would  you  have  felt  any  different  about  this  situation?

Why  would  you  have  felt  the  same,  or  why  would  you  have  felt  differently?

it is all opinions here, and obviously some of yours vary from mine. But if a person purposly pulls a gun and starts shooting, you could be charged with attempted murder. Therefore IMO (regardless of yours) If a person purposely gets drunk, purposely gets behinds a wheel and purposely drives (and potentialy puts my family's life at risk) it should be attempted murder or manslaughter.

It is an intentional act that puts other (innocent) peoples lives in danger, and if its considered a dead horse so be it.....alot better than a dead people.
[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying your question.  Now I can tell that it truly was a stupid question and not just very poorly written.  Let me ask you this.  Do you agree that speeding on the freeway is dangerous...even deadly?  Have you ever gone over the speed limit?  If you were pulled over for speeding, should you be arrested for attempted murder or manslaughter?  How do you like your steak cooked?  What are you wearing right now.  Will these stupid questions or analogies ever stop?  ...Get my point?
[/quote]

In fact I do! Anytihng can be justified! ;)
[/quote]

That is ridiculous...

[Guest 58SHW]

[quote name="SmashMouth" post="1074016" timestamp="1317830342"]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1074012#msg1074012 date=1317830174]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=88772.msg1074008#msg1074008 date=1317829877]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073997#msg1073997 date=1317829450]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=88772.msg1073974#msg1073974 date=1317828048]
[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073966#msg1073966 date=1317827382]
Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
[/quote]

What doe "Why and/or why not?" mean.  Also, please explain the question more clearly.  It is hard to understand.  If I understand it right, then it is an insanely stupid question.  Please clarify.
[/quote]

Ok, let me type this a whole lot slower.

If  one  of  the Ned  kids  had  fallen  and  died,  would  you  have  felt  any  different  about  this  situation?

Why  would  you  have  felt  the  same,  or  why  would  you  have  felt  differently?

it is all opinions here, and obviously some of yours vary from mine. But if a person purposly pulls a gun and starts shooting, you could be charged with attempted murder. Therefore IMO (regardless of yours) If a person purposely gets drunk, purposely gets behinds a wheel and purposely drives (and potentialy puts my family's life at risk) it should be attempted murder or manslaughter.

It is an intentional act that puts other (innocent) peoples lives in danger, and if its considered a dead horse so be it.....alot better than a dead people.
[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying your question.  Now I can tell that it truly was a stupid question and not just very poorly written.  Let me ask you this.  Do you agree that speeding on the freeway is dangerous...even deadly?  Have you ever gone over the speed limit?  If you were pulled over for speeding, should you be arrested for attempted murder or manslaughter?  How do you like your steak cooked?  What are you wearing right now.  Will these stupid questions or analogies ever stop?  ...Get my point?
[/quote]

In fact I do! Anytihng can be justified! ;)
[/quote]

That is ridiculous...
[/quote]

Why? because my opinion varies from yours? Must be a democrat (open or closet) when someone's opinion varies from yours....just start calling them names. ::)

[Guest 58SHW]

Good luck Ned, and boys. Hope lessons were learned for your sake and others.

[SmashMouth]

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Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
[/quote]

What doe "Why and/or why not?" mean.  Also, please explain the question more clearly.  It is hard to understand.  If I understand it right, then it is an insanely stupid question.  Please clarify.
[/quote]

Ok, let me type this a whole lot slower.

If  one  of  the Ned  kids  had  fallen  and  died,  would  you  have  felt  any  different  about  this  situation?

Why  would  you  have  felt  the  same,  or  why  would  you  have  felt  differently?

it is all opinions here, and obviously some of yours vary from mine. But if a person purposly pulls a gun and starts shooting, you could be charged with attempted murder. Therefore IMO (regardless of yours) If a person purposely gets drunk, purposely gets behinds a wheel and purposely drives (and potentialy puts my family's life at risk) it should be attempted murder or manslaughter.

It is an intentional act that puts other (innocent) peoples lives in danger, and if its considered a dead horse so be it.....alot better than a dead people.
[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying your question.  Now I can tell that it truly was a stupid question and not just very poorly written.  Let me ask you this.  Do you agree that speeding on the freeway is dangerous...even deadly?  Have you ever gone over the speed limit?  If you were pulled over for speeding, should you be arrested for attempted murder or manslaughter?  How do you like your steak cooked?  What are you wearing right now.  Will these stupid questions or analogies ever stop?  ...Get my point?
[/quote]

In fact I do! Anytihng can be justified! ;)
[/quote]

That is ridiculous...
[/quote]

Why? because my opinion varies from yours? Must be a democrat (open or closet) when someone's opinion varies from yours....just start calling them names. ::)
[/quote]

Believe me, I am FAR from being a Democrat.  I have never called you a name (though some may have come to mind).  I did say that some of your statements were ridiculous or stupid, because they are.

Stating that someone pulled over simply for speeding should be tried as a murderer is unintelligent.  It's not the fact that we disagree, it's the appearance that you are possibly out of touch with reality that prods me to make the statements I have made.

...and from the responses you have been getting to your goofy unintelligible posts, I would say I am not alone in my assessment.

[Razor]

[quote name="58SHW" post="1074006" timestamp="1317829870"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=88772.msg1073999#msg1073999 date=1317829501]
Why was the punishment cut short for the Ned kids? Weren't they suppose to be out 30 days? Now they are back practicing and will play this Friday.

What changed?
[/quote]

The opponent changed!

Playing Livingston for what most believe is the 20-4A district championship.
[/quote]

Without getting into the details about this (and I will not), this couldn't be any further from the truth...I assure you that who Nederland is playing has ZERO to do with what is happening now...making such an assumption is irresponsible, IMO because you clearly do not know all of the facts...

[PNGFan]

Today's society in parenting, there is usually no consequences to their children's actions.
Back in the day, if that would've been me my dad would've taken me behind the wood shed and beat the hell out of me. BUT in todays society, its kids just being kids so it makes it okay.

There is too much pure pressure for kids today to succeed and be popular that we over look these are just kids.

This thread should've been locked from the beginning, because these are just kids!!!

[coach pops]

There's been a whole lot of holier than thou BS about this whole incident. I don't know if these kids have been reinstated to play or not. IF they have it ain't gonna make a rats #$% to the outcome of this game. The guys playing in their places are just as capable and athletic as the two suspended. Now there is a huge conspiracy in an attempt to win a football game. If they didn't play another down this year that would be ok with me. These things are not coaching decisions so whoever has a problem with whether or not they are allowed to participate needs to nut up and call out the school board and supt. I've spent a lot of time with hundreds of boys in sports and know how capable kids are in making bad choices. Some of those choices were in mutual agreement of their girlfriends if you get my drift. The whole deal is about life lessons. People are not perfect. Those who are so judgemental need to review your lives and those of your kids. If you have no kids or never worked with other kids how is an opinion even justified. This would have never been news if those boys weren't in athletics. The folks that made this public need a boot in their ***. Forgive, forget and mind your own business. This thread should have been killed weeks ago. I'm done with this deal. Everyone let it go and get a perfect life. Put your rose colored glasses on and watch nick at night or something suitable to your intellect.

[Guest 58SHW]

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[quote author=58SHW link=topic=88772.msg1073966#msg1073966 date=1317827382]
Yes, Ned kids who were drinking or had been and got caught (even if was due to further stupidity of posting it) and the extention of those action as to how others attending the same party (and others) were NOT so lucky.

Several has stated that had the OF kids been there kids...then heads would roll....etc etc etc.

So..had the Ned kids fallen, and been killed would that change the blame from kids being kids to HANG the home owner.

The point is everyone wants to take one road if it seems "innocent enough" no one got hurt, its kids being kids......but had those kids died or killed someone else....then crucify someone else because its their fault.

As stated, as young as 14 you can be accountable as an adult.

Just answer this question (this is to anyone, and everyone) if these were your kids....would you treat the situation differently as it happened than you would had they been killed, or killed someone else, maybe even killed your kid while driving on their way to the school.

Why and/or why not?
[/quote]

What doe "Why and/or why not?" mean.  Also, please explain the question more clearly.  It is hard to understand.  If I understand it right, then it is an insanely stupid question.  Please clarify.
[/quote]

Ok, let me type this a whole lot slower.

If  one  of  the Ned  kids  had  fallen  and  died,  would  you  have  felt  any  different  about  this  situation?

Why  would  you  have  felt  the  same,  or  why  would  you  have  felt  differently?

it is all opinions here, and obviously some of yours vary from mine. But if a person purposly pulls a gun and starts shooting, you could be charged with attempted murder. Therefore IMO (regardless of yours) If a person purposely gets drunk, purposely gets behinds a wheel and purposely drives (and potentialy puts my family's life at risk) it should be attempted murder or manslaughter.

It is an intentional act that puts other (innocent) peoples lives in danger, and if its considered a dead horse so be it.....alot better than a dead people.
[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying your question.  Now I can tell that it truly was a stupid question and not just very poorly written.  Let me ask you this.  Do you agree that speeding on the freeway is dangerous...even deadly?  Have you ever gone over the speed limit?  If you were pulled over for speeding, should you be arrested for attempted murder or manslaughter?  How do you like your steak cooked?  What are you wearing right now.  Will these stupid questions or analogies ever stop?  ...Get my point?
[/quote]

In fact I do! Anytihng can be justified! ;)
[/quote]

That is ridiculous...
[/quote]

Why? because my opinion varies from yours? Must be a democrat (open or closet) when someone's opinion varies from yours....just start calling them names. ::)
[/quote]

Believe me, I am FAR from being a Democrat.  I have never called you a name (though some may have come to mind).  I did say that some of your statements were ridiculous or stupid, because they are.

[u][b]Stating that someone pulled over simply for speeding should be tried as a murderer is unintelligent.  It's not the fact that we disagree, it's the appearance that you are possibly out of touch with reality that prods me to make the statements I have made.[/b][/u]
...and from the responses you have been getting to your goofy unintelligible posts, I would say I am not alone in my assessment.
[/quote]

This is YOUR statement, (I never said anything about speeding) so if you believe "others" think this is a goofy unintelligible post then add me to your "others" list.

However their is a such thing as "wreckless driving" at speeds and manuvers that would fall into the category of putting others lives in danger.

Again, to each their own....defending the behavior as "kids will be kids" as it pertains to THIS situation is equally as stupid to those who have lost loved ones or friends to the likeness of irrisponsible decisons of others. And yes it is an "if", but IF any of those kids had fallen and died it would be a different song being sang.

Even if I'm the ONLY one who sees it this way, I stand by my belief. I've had my say...I'm out

Good luck Ned and boys!

[Razor]

agreed...should definitely be locked