Judex Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 [quote name="hondo1" post="1069691" timestamp="1317403908"][quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069372#msg1069372 date=1317352510]Hondo, you are wrong. You have equated singling out a specific player with criticizing a group of players. They are not the same thing. It is not hypocrisy if there is a substantial qualitative difference in the comparison. Give it up.P.S. It is not a question of us worshiping Coach T. Some of us are just painfully aware of his importance to the program. Some of us want Toby to come back for the same reasons. There is something more than just rhetoric to the phrase "Mustang Football." If Coach T leaves without a worthy homegrown replacement, that program will die. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Toby to stay as OC til he could take the reigns from Coach T. Hopefully he will come back so that the legacy can live on.[/quote]please, Mr. JUDEX, and anyone else who wants to say anything, stick to facts and relevance PLEASE!!!!!NOW, whenever you`re trying to determine the validity of an action it never has anything to do with the number of people involved, whether it`s the person comitting the act or the person that the act is comitted to! I`ll make it real simple for you so you can GET the point!EXample 1. The UIL has determined that it is against the rules to play academically ineligible players, players that don`t live in the proper school zone etc... in the early 90`s WO-S had ONE player determined to be academically ineligible and had to forfeit several games and was disqualified for the playoffs, even though they would have been districts champs. that involved one player!Example 2. a few years ago Katy was one or two games away from playing for the state championship, a parent fed the whole team, the UIL determined that was a violation and they were kicked out of the playoffs.here is the point, and it doesn`t matter if it`s an individual, an organization, or what. IF IT`S WRONG TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT`S WRONG TO DO IT, WHETHER IT`S DONE TO ONE PERSON OR A MILLION PEOPLE. whether you`re talking about how we treat each other in the community (manners, etiquette etc...) or following the rules of some governmental agency. the number of people involved is IRRELEVANT!!!!here`s something i think we all can agree on:for example it would be wrong to put an innocent man to death, because it`s wrong, not because of how many peolple were involved. FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, ONE PLAYER vs SEVERAL PLAYERS it would be ok to put one innocent man to death and it would only be wrong if several were put tp death, WHICH IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUSto your point about having a "home grown" coach be integral to the success of wo-s football: Steve Mccarty started that program, he had never coached in the district, neither had Dan Hooks. the community is the key to the success of wo-s football, the parents, along with the kids develop a passion to play football, and to play for wo-s long before they ever reach the seventh grade and they will play for whoever is the coach. as long as there is a high school in orange there will be a successful football program, where the coach is from has nothing to do with how good of a coach he is. Orange texas had a proud history of producing great high school football players who went on to play professional football, long before Dan Hooks & Cornell thompson showed up and it`l continue after they`re gone. LEARN YOUR HISTORY BROTHER, and please stop being willfully ignorant, because it is hypocritical[/quote]I know the history at least as well if not better than you. What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before. There's a reason that Dan did not lightly pass the torch. If you want to get down to it, Ronnie Anderson was arguably as big a loss to football as he was for the baseball program. You see what has happened to the Mustang Baseball program since his departure.You can shout big words all day and it doesn't make you any more intelligent or right. Embarrassing an individual kid by calling them out specifically is entirely different than calling out the team or a section of the team. Picking on one player is wrong for a reason that ipso facto does not apply to a "group" of players. Perhaps it is [i]your[/i] willful ignorance that is the problem. If you want to make this an intellectual pissing contest with me, you better head back to the store for some bigger boots and a wet suit. You are in way over your head.
kicker Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 [quote name="hondo1" post="1069691" timestamp="1317403908"][quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069372#msg1069372 date=1317352510]Hondo, you are wrong. You have equated singling out a specific player with criticizing a group of players. They are not the same thing. It is not hypocrisy if there is a substantial qualitative difference in the comparison. Give it up.P.S. It is not a question of us worshiping Coach T. Some of us are just painfully aware of his importance to the program. Some of us want Toby to come back for the same reasons. There is something more than just rhetoric to the phrase "Mustang Football." If Coach T leaves without a worthy homegrown replacement, that program will die. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Toby to stay as OC til he could take the reigns from Coach T. Hopefully he will come back so that the legacy can live on.[/quote]please, Mr. JUDEX, and anyone else who wants to say anything, stick to facts and relevance PLEASE!!!!!NOW, whenever you`re trying to determine the validity of an action it never has anything to do with the number of people involved, whether it`s the person comitting the act or the person that the act is comitted to! I`ll make it real simple for you so you can GET the point!EXample 1. The UIL has determined that it is against the rules to play academically ineligible players, players that don`t live in the proper school zone etc... in the early 90`s WO-S had ONE player determined to be academically ineligible and had to forfeit several games and was disqualified for the playoffs, even though they would have been districts champs. that involved one player!Example 2. a few years ago Katy was one or two games away from playing for the state championship, a parent fed the whole team, the UIL determined that was a violation and they were kicked out of the playoffs.here is the point, and it doesn`t matter if it`s an individual, an organization, or what. IF IT`S WRONG TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT`S WRONG TO DO IT, WHETHER IT`S DONE TO ONE PERSON OR A MILLION PEOPLE. whether you`re talking about how we treat each other in the community (manners, etiquette etc...) or following the rules of some governmental agency. the number of people involved is IRRELEVANT!!!!here`s something i think we all can agree on:for example it would be wrong to put an innocent man to death, because it`s wrong, not because of how many peolple were involved. FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, ONE PLAYER vs SEVERAL PLAYERS it would be ok to put one innocent man to death and it would only be wrong if several were put tp death, WHICH IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUSto your point about having a "home grown" coach be integral to the success of wo-s football: Steve Mccarty started that program, he had never coached in the district, neither had Dan Hooks. the community is the key to the success of wo-s football, the parents, along with the kids develop a passion to play football, and to play for wo-s long before they ever reach the seventh grade and they will play for whoever is the coach. as long as there is a high school in orange there will be a successful football program, where the coach is from has nothing to do with how good of a coach he is. Orange texas had a proud history of producing great high school football players who went on to play professional football, long before Dan Hooks & Cornell thompson showed up and it`l continue after they`re gone. LEARN YOUR HISTORY BROTHER, and please stop being willfully ignorant, because it is hypocritical[/quote]Man, you have some serious issues. You are beyond left field...your in the parking lot. I have no idea why your feathers are so ruffled, but its your opinion. We get it, your upset with Thompson. Now lets just move on. I have never seen someone use hypocrite so many times.Geez.
mustangproud Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 [quote name="hondo1" post="1069691" timestamp="1317403908"][quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069372#msg1069372 date=1317352510]Hondo, you are wrong. You have equated singling out a specific player with criticizing a group of players. They are not the same thing. It is not hypocrisy if there is a substantial qualitative difference in the comparison. Give it up.P.S. It is not a question of us worshiping Coach T. Some of us are just painfully aware of his importance to the program. Some of us want Toby to come back for the same reasons. There is something more than just rhetoric to the phrase "Mustang Football." If Coach T leaves without a worthy homegrown replacement, that program will die. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Toby to stay as OC til he could take the reigns from Coach T. Hopefully he will come back so that the legacy can live on.[/quote]please, Mr. JUDEX, and anyone else who wants to say anything, stick to facts and relevance PLEASE!!!!!NOW, whenever you`re trying to determine the validity of an action it never has anything to do with the number of people involved, whether it`s the person comitting the act or the person that the act is comitted to! I`ll make it real simple for you so you can GET the point!EXample 1. The UIL has determined that it is against the rules to play academically ineligible players, players that don`t live in the proper school zone etc... in the early 90`s WO-S had ONE player determined to be academically ineligible and had to forfeit several games and was disqualified for the playoffs, even though they would have been districts champs. that involved one player!Example 2. a few years ago Katy was one or two games away from playing for the state championship, a parent fed the whole team, the UIL determined that was a violation and they were kicked out of the playoffs.here is the point, and it doesn`t matter if it`s an individual, an organization, or what. IF IT`S WRONG TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT`S WRONG TO DO IT, WHETHER IT`S DONE TO ONE PERSON OR A MILLION PEOPLE. whether you`re talking about how we treat each other in the community (manners, etiquette etc...) or following the rules of some governmental agency. the number of people involved is IRRELEVANT!!!!here`s something i think we all can agree on:for example it would be wrong to put an innocent man to death, because it`s wrong, not because of how many peolple were involved. FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, ONE PLAYER vs SEVERAL PLAYERS it would be ok to put one innocent man to death and it would only be wrong if several were put tp death, WHICH IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUSto your point about having a "home grown" coach be integral to the success of wo-s football: Steve Mccarty started that program, he had never coached in the district, neither had Dan Hooks. the community is the key to the success of wo-s football, the parents, along with the kids develop a passion to play football, and to play for wo-s long before they ever reach the seventh grade and they will play for whoever is the coach. as long as there is a high school in orange there will be a successful football program, where the coach is from has nothing to do with how good of a coach he is. Orange texas had a proud history of producing great high school football players who went on to play professional football, long before Dan Hooks & Cornell thompson showed up and it`l continue after they`re gone. LEARN YOUR HISTORY BROTHER, and please stop being willfully ignorant, because it is hypocritical[/quote]You can't speak logically to people who have a brain the size of a pea. Some people are just conditioned to be hypocrites. It's what they were taught growing up. We both know you are right with everything you have said. You have clearly given example after example. It can't be disputed.
Judex Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 [quote name="mustangproud" post="1069745" timestamp="1317409456"]You can't speak logically to people who have a brain the size of a pea. Some people are just conditioned to be hypocrites. It's what they were taught growing up. We both know you are right with everything you have said. You have clearly given example after example. It can't be disputed.[/quote]Well then, why don't you, with your clearly superior intellect, walk us through it:1) Why is it inherently bad for a coach to publicly critique a specific high school athlete for their play in a particular game?2) What specifically did Cornell say on the radio that you found offensive?3) Who did he specifically identify?4) Who in the past got upset about a similar circumstance and how was the circumstance similar?
bh89-2 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 Yall still griping about getting beat? Heck, figured you would be used to it by now. ;D
kicker Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 [quote name="Judex" post="1069751" timestamp="1317410091"][quote author=mustangproud link=topic=88803.msg1069745#msg1069745 date=1317409456]You can't speak logically to people who have a brain the size of a pea. Some people are just conditioned to be hypocrites. It's what they were taught growing up. We both know you are right with everything you have said. You have clearly given example after example. It can't be disputed.[/quote]Well then, why don't you, with your clearly superior intellect, walk us through it:1) Why is it inherently bad for a coach to publicly critique a specific high school athlete for their play in a particular game?2) What specifically did Cornell say on the radio that you found offensive?3) Who did he specifically identify?4) Who in the past got upset about a similar circumstance and how was the circumstance similar?[/quote]Great post Judex, I'm sure the responses will cease now. I like how they call us pea brains. I knew I shouldn't have gone to college. Lol.
AggiesAreWe Posted September 30, 2011 Report Posted September 30, 2011 [quote name="bh89-2" post="1069758" timestamp="1317410517"]Yall still griping about getting beat? Heck, figured you would be used to it by now. ;D[/quote]LMAO!!! ;D
hondo1 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 [quote name="Judex" post="1069720" timestamp="1317406905"][quote author=hondo1 link=topic=88803.msg1069691#msg1069691 date=1317403908][quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069372#msg1069372 date=1317352510]Hondo, you are wrong. You have equated singling out a specific player with criticizing a group of players. They are not the same thing. It is not hypocrisy if there is a substantial qualitative difference in the comparison. Give it up.P.S. It is not a question of us worshiping Coach T. Some of us are just painfully aware of his importance to the program. Some of us want Toby to come back for the same reasons. There is something more than just rhetoric to the phrase "Mustang Football." If Coach T leaves without a worthy homegrown replacement, that program will die. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Toby to stay as OC til he could take the reigns from Coach T. Hopefully he will come back so that the legacy can live on.[/quote]please, Mr. JUDEX, and anyone else who wants to say anything, stick to facts and relevance PLEASE!!!!!NOW, whenever you`re trying to determine the validity of an action it never has anything to do with the number of people involved, whether it`s the person comitting the act or the person that the act is comitted to! I`ll make it real simple for you so you can GET the point!EXample 1. The UIL has determined that it is against the rules to play academically ineligible players, players that don`t live in the proper school zone etc... in the early 90`s WO-S had ONE player determined to be academically ineligible and had to forfeit several games and was disqualified for the playoffs, even though they would have been districts champs. that involved one player!Example 2. a few years ago Katy was one or two games away from playing for the state championship, a parent fed the whole team, the UIL determined that was a violation and they were kicked out of the playoffs.here is the point, and it doesn`t matter if it`s an individual, an organization, or what. IF IT`S WRONG TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT`S WRONG TO DO IT, WHETHER IT`S DONE TO ONE PERSON OR A MILLION PEOPLE. whether you`re talking about how we treat each other in the community (manners, etiquette etc...) or following the rules of some governmental agency. the number of people involved is IRRELEVANT!!!!here`s something i think we all can agree on:for example it would be wrong to put an innocent man to death, because it`s wrong, not because of how many peolple were involved. FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, ONE PLAYER vs SEVERAL PLAYERS it would be ok to put one innocent man to death and it would only be wrong if several were put tp death, WHICH IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUSto your point about having a "home grown" coach be integral to the success of wo-s football: Steve Mccarty started that program, he had never coached in the district, neither had Dan Hooks. the community is the key to the success of wo-s football, the parents, along with the kids develop a passion to play football, and to play for wo-s long before they ever reach the seventh grade and they will play for whoever is the coach. as long as there is a high school in orange there will be a successful football program, where the coach is from has nothing to do with how good of a coach he is. Orange texas had a proud history of producing great high school football players who went on to play professional football, long before Dan Hooks & Cornell thompson showed up and it`l continue after they`re gone. LEARN YOUR HISTORY BROTHER, and please stop being willfully ignorant, because it is hypocritical[/quote]I know the history at least as well if not better than you. What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before. There's a reason that Dan did not lightly pass the torch. If you want to get down to it, Ronnie Anderson was arguably as big a loss to football as he was for the baseball program. You see what has happened to the Mustang Baseball program since his departure.You can shout big words all day and it doesn't make you any more intelligent or right. Embarrassing an individual kid by calling them out specifically is entirely different than calling out the team or a section of the team. Picking on one player is wrong for a reason that ipso facto does not apply to a "group" of players. Perhaps it is [i]your[/i] willful ignorance that is the problem. If you want to make this an intellectual pissing contest with me, you better head back to the store for some bigger boots and a wet suit. You are in way over your head.[/quote] once again MR.JUDEX: Deny Facts as a Modus Operrandi! "What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before". do you know why one use`s quotation marks when writing?? it`s to show exactly what someone else has said, IN THIS CASE WHAT YOU SAID! have you ever heard of "coach" Willie Ray Smith ?? who happens to have a yearly award named after him, of which several wo-s players have been the recepient. I submit that his legend speaks for itself and is of national prominence, and guess what? he started his legendary career in ORANGE TEXAS, where you said no one had ever achieved anything remotely similar to what Dan & Steve & Cornell had(paraphrasing of course, would`n want to put words in your mouth). perhaps he wasn`t a "REAL MAN" like Cornell, Steve, & Dan, or maybe he was only 3/5 of a man. How about Wallace High School ?? where coach Smith coached them to back to back state championships. the high school that all the citizens of Orange were proud of and bragged about to their friends and family throughout the area and the state, where the crowds would be standing room only on many occassions.How about Ernie Ladd, Garland Boyette, Charles Johnson, just to name a few football legends from ORANGE TEXAS who went on to play in the NFL. the building is still standing, just as the LEGEND STILL STANDS, unless the boundaries of Orange Texas changed since last night, then everything i just mentioned happened in Orange and the people who made the accomplishments did it as CITIZENS of ORANGE TEXAS!!!! without ANY help from DAN ,STEVE, or CORNELL!!!!!! perhaps you`ve heard of Andre Robertson, the first black to play baseball at UT& he went on to be a star outfielder for the NY YANKEES, ask Roderick(who i`m sure you`ve heard of) who was the better football player him or Andre. West Orange went to the playoffs several times before there ever was a merger as did Stark. I could go on but I know facts are irrelevant to you and your "Crowd". to once AGAIN address your ridiculous point about how many people were involved & whether or someone`s name was called. If Jason Garrett goes on ESPN & says I have the sorriest tight ends in the league, that`s not calling anyones name specifically, but everyone in the entire universe who follows the NFL wuold know exactly who he`s talking, that would be his perogative to do that, but do you think it help or hinder his relationship with those players???? Now, HOW HARD IS IT FOR ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS WO-S FOOTBALL TO KNOW WHO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE CALLED OUT HIS SENIORS????????? its not like they have a hundred man roster. Let me answer this post for you. what happened at Wallace was a long time ago, we`re talking about "RECENT HISTORY" how am i doing so far???? it`s been 10 yrs since wo-s played for & 24yrs since they won a championship. I`ll assume you`re a Dallas fan, when you brag about Dallas, do you only mention their most recent dreadful playoff record, or do you brag on their entire history, including ALL of their Super bowls (I DO) once again, either you`re willfully ignornant, biased against anyone or anything that doesn`t fit your WORLDVIEW, or you`re incapable of acknowdledging the TRUTH.PS: as far me being in over my head with an intellectual "LIGHT WEIGHT" like you PLEASE. if you had said I was over, as in standing over, your pal KICKERS` head, then I could have understood that. Kicker, there is medicine for "SHORT MAN SYNDROME"PS: I have no problem with Coach Hooks, Mccarthy, or Thompson, really like all of em. my problem is with TWO FACED HYPOCRITS, i dont expect any of you to change, or stop being hypocritical, don`t expect me to stop calling you on it!!!!!!!!
mustangproud Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 [quote name="hondo1" post="1071065" timestamp="1317490611"][quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069720#msg1069720 date=1317406905][quote author=hondo1 link=topic=88803.msg1069691#msg1069691 date=1317403908][quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069372#msg1069372 date=1317352510]Hondo, you are wrong. You have equated singling out a specific player with criticizing a group of players. They are not the same thing. It is not hypocrisy if there is a substantial qualitative difference in the comparison. Give it up.P.S. It is not a question of us worshiping Coach T. Some of us are just painfully aware of his importance to the program. Some of us want Toby to come back for the same reasons. There is something more than just rhetoric to the phrase "Mustang Football." If Coach T leaves without a worthy homegrown replacement, that program will die. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Toby to stay as OC til he could take the reigns from Coach T. Hopefully he will come back so that the legacy can live on.[/quote]please, Mr. JUDEX, and anyone else who wants to say anything, stick to facts and relevance PLEASE!!!!!NOW, whenever you`re trying to determine the validity of an action it never has anything to do with the number of people involved, whether it`s the person comitting the act or the person that the act is comitted to! I`ll make it real simple for you so you can GET the point!EXample 1. The UIL has determined that it is against the rules to play academically ineligible players, players that don`t live in the proper school zone etc... in the early 90`s WO-S had ONE player determined to be academically ineligible and had to forfeit several games and was disqualified for the playoffs, even though they would have been districts champs. that involved one player!Example 2. a few years ago Katy was one or two games away from playing for the state championship, a parent fed the whole team, the UIL determined that was a violation and they were kicked out of the playoffs.here is the point, and it doesn`t matter if it`s an individual, an organization, or what. IF IT`S WRONG TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT`S WRONG TO DO IT, WHETHER IT`S DONE TO ONE PERSON OR A MILLION PEOPLE. whether you`re talking about how we treat each other in the community (manners, etiquette etc...) or following the rules of some governmental agency. the number of people involved is IRRELEVANT!!!!here`s something i think we all can agree on:for example it would be wrong to put an innocent man to death, because it`s wrong, not because of how many peolple were involved. FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, ONE PLAYER vs SEVERAL PLAYERS it would be ok to put one innocent man to death and it would only be wrong if several were put tp death, WHICH IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUSto your point about having a "home grown" coach be integral to the success of wo-s football: Steve Mccarty started that program, he had never coached in the district, neither had Dan Hooks. the community is the key to the success of wo-s football, the parents, along with the kids develop a passion to play football, and to play for wo-s long before they ever reach the seventh grade and they will play for whoever is the coach. as long as there is a high school in orange there will be a successful football program, where the coach is from has nothing to do with how good of a coach he is. Orange texas had a proud history of producing great high school football players who went on to play professional football, long before Dan Hooks & Cornell thompson showed up and it`l continue after they`re gone. LEARN YOUR HISTORY BROTHER, and please stop being willfully ignorant, because it is hypocritical[/quote]I know the history at least as well if not better than you. What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before. There's a reason that Dan did not lightly pass the torch. If you want to get down to it, Ronnie Anderson was arguably as big a loss to football as he was for the baseball program. You see what has happened to the Mustang Baseball program since his departure.You can shout big words all day and it doesn't make you any more intelligent or right. Embarrassing an individual kid by calling them out specifically is entirely different than calling out the team or a section of the team. Picking on one player is wrong for a reason that ipso facto does not apply to a "group" of players. Perhaps it is [i]your[/i] willful ignorance that is the problem. If you want to make this an intellectual pissing contest with me, you better head back to the store for some bigger boots and a wet suit. You are in way over your head.[/quote] once again MR.JUDEX: Deny Facts as a Modus Operrandi! "What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before". do you know why one use`s quotation marks when writing?? it`s to show exactly what someone else has said, IN THIS CASE WHAT YOU SAID! have you ever heard of "coach" Willie Ray Smith ?? who happens to have a yearly award named after him, of which several wo-s players have been the recepient. I submit that his legend speaks for itself and is of national prominence, and guess what? he started his legendary career in ORANGE TEXAS, where you said no one had ever achieved anything remotely similar to what Dan & Steve & Cornell had(paraphrasing of course, would`n want to put words in your mouth). perhaps he wasn`t a "REAL MAN" like Cornell, Steve, & Dan, or maybe he was only 3/5 of a man. How about Wallace High School ?? where coach Smith coached them to back to back state championships. the high school that all the citizens of Orange were proud of and bragged about to their friends and family throughout the area and the state, where the crowds would be standing room only on many occassions.How about Ernie Ladd, Garland Boyette, Charles Johnson, just to name a few football legends from ORANGE TEXAS who went on to play in the NFL. the building is still standing, just as the LEGEND STILL STANDS, unless the boundaries of Orange Texas changed since last night, then everything i just mentioned happened in Orange and the people who made the accomplishments did it as CITIZENS of ORANGE TEXAS!!!! without ANY help from DAN ,STEVE, or CORNELL!!!!!! perhaps you`ve heard of Andre Robertson, the first black to play baseball at UT& he went on to be a star outfielder for the NY YANKEES, ask Roderick(who i`m sure you`ve heard of) who was the better football player him or Andre. West Orange went to the playoffs several times before there ever was a merger as did Stark. I could go on but I know facts are irrelevant to you and your "Crowd". to once AGAIN address your ridiculous point about how many people were involved & whether or someone`s name was called. If Jason Garrett goes on ESPN & says I have the sorriest tight ends in the league, that`s not calling anyones name specifically, but everyone in the entire universe who follows the NFL wuold know exactly who he`s talking, that would be his perogative to do that, but do you think it help or hinder his relationship with those players???? Now, HOW HARD IS IT FOR ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS WO-S FOOTBALL TO KNOW WHO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE CALLED OUT HIS SENIORS????????? its not like they have a hundred man roster. Let me answer this post for you. what happened at Wallace was a long time ago, we`re talking about "RECENT HISTORY" how am i doing so far???? it`s been 10 yrs since wo-s played for & 24yrs since they won a championship. I`ll assume you`re a Dallas fan, when you brag about Dallas, do you only mention their most recent dreadful playoff record, or do you brag on their entire history, including ALL of their Super bowls (I DO) once again, either you`re willfully ignornant, biased against anyone or anything that doesn`t fit your WORLDVIEW, or you`re incapable of acknowdledging the TRUTH.PS: as far me being in over my head with an intellectual "LIGHT WEIGHT" like you PLEASE. if you had said I was over, as in standing over, your pal KICKERS` head, then I could have understood that. Kicker, there is medicine for "SHORT MAN SYNDROME"[/quote]LOL. Judex and Kicker, stop while your behind. This man is armed with facts and you just make yourself look stupid everytime you try and dispute it. Truth be told, some of you need to totally support the Mustangs by going watch the Little Mustangs football team. You will see this is where these great WO-S players are developed and guess what, they are coached by ex Mustang players who should have be given a chance to coach the High School team. These kids are dominating people and you don't see Thompson or any of the other coaches out there supporting these kids. By the time these high school coaches get these players, they are already developed as players. The credit needs to go to these Little league coaches who develop these players and don't get a pay check.
kicker Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Dude, give it up. Seriously. Can a mod please lock this thread? This guy is off his rocker. And the insult to me, well, obviously you don't know me. I'm tired of your rants and insults. Your true colors are showing also.
hondo1 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 [quote name="mustangproud" post="1071071" timestamp="1317491232"][quote author=hondo1 link=topic=88803.msg1071065#msg1071065 date=1317490611][quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069720#msg1069720 date=1317406905][quote author=hondo1 link=topic=88803.msg1069691#msg1069691 date=1317403908][quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069372#msg1069372 date=1317352510]Hondo, you are wrong. You have equated singling out a specific player with criticizing a group of players. They are not the same thing. It is not hypocrisy if there is a substantial qualitative difference in the comparison. Give it up.P.S. It is not a question of us worshiping Coach T. Some of us are just painfully aware of his importance to the program. Some of us want Toby to come back for the same reasons. There is something more than just rhetoric to the phrase "Mustang Football." If Coach T leaves without a worthy homegrown replacement, that program will die. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Toby to stay as OC til he could take the reigns from Coach T. Hopefully he will come back so that the legacy can live on.[/quote]please, Mr. JUDEX, and anyone else who wants to say anything, stick to facts and relevance PLEASE!!!!!NOW, whenever you`re trying to determine the validity of an action it never has anything to do with the number of people involved, whether it`s the person comitting the act or the person that the act is comitted to! I`ll make it real simple for you so you can GET the point!EXample 1. The UIL has determined that it is against the rules to play academically ineligible players, players that don`t live in the proper school zone etc... in the early 90`s WO-S had ONE player determined to be academically ineligible and had to forfeit several games and was disqualified for the playoffs, even though they would have been districts champs. that involved one player!Example 2. a few years ago Katy was one or two games away from playing for the state championship, a parent fed the whole team, the UIL determined that was a violation and they were kicked out of the playoffs.here is the point, and it doesn`t matter if it`s an individual, an organization, or what. IF IT`S WRONG TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT`S WRONG TO DO IT, WHETHER IT`S DONE TO ONE PERSON OR A MILLION PEOPLE. whether you`re talking about how we treat each other in the community (manners, etiquette etc...) or following the rules of some governmental agency. the number of people involved is IRRELEVANT!!!!here`s something i think we all can agree on:for example it would be wrong to put an innocent man to death, because it`s wrong, not because of how many peolple were involved. FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, ONE PLAYER vs SEVERAL PLAYERS it would be ok to put one innocent man to death and it would only be wrong if several were put tp death, WHICH IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUSto your point about having a "home grown" coach be integral to the success of wo-s football: Steve Mccarty started that program, he had never coached in the district, neither had Dan Hooks. the community is the key to the success of wo-s football, the parents, along with the kids develop a passion to play football, and to play for wo-s long before they ever reach the seventh grade and they will play for whoever is the coach. as long as there is a high school in orange there will be a successful football program, where the coach is from has nothing to do with how good of a coach he is. Orange texas had a proud history of producing great high school football players who went on to play professional football, long before Dan Hooks & Cornell thompson showed up and it`l continue after they`re gone. LEARN YOUR HISTORY BROTHER, and please stop being willfully ignorant, because it is hypocritical[/quote]I know the history at least as well if not better than you. What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before. There's a reason that Dan did not lightly pass the torch. If you want to get down to it, Ronnie Anderson was arguably as big a loss to football as he was for the baseball program. You see what has happened to the Mustang Baseball program since his departure.You can shout big words all day and it doesn't make you any more intelligent or right. Embarrassing an individual kid by calling them out specifically is entirely different than calling out the team or a section of the team. Picking on one player is wrong for a reason that ipso facto does not apply to a "group" of players. Perhaps it is [i]your[/i] willful ignorance that is the problem. If you want to make this an intellectual pissing contest with me, you better head back to the store for some bigger boots and a wet suit. You are in way over your head.[/quote] once again MR.JUDEX: Deny Facts as a Modus Operrandi! "What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before". do you know why one use`s quotation marks when writing?? it`s to show exactly what someone else has said, IN THIS CASE WHAT YOU SAID! have you ever heard of "coach" Willie Ray Smith ?? who happens to have a yearly award named after him, of which several wo-s players have been the recepient. I submit that his legend speaks for itself and is of national prominence, and guess what? he started his legendary career in ORANGE TEXAS, where you said no one had ever achieved anything remotely similar to what Dan & Steve & Cornell had(paraphrasing of course, would`n want to put words in your mouth). perhaps he wasn`t a "REAL MAN" like Cornell, Steve, & Dan, or maybe he was only 3/5 of a man. How about Wallace High School ?? where coach Smith coached them to back to back state championships. the high school that all the citizens of Orange were proud of and bragged about to their friends and family throughout the area and the state, where the crowds would be standing room only on many occassions.How about Ernie Ladd, Garland Boyette, Charles Johnson, just to name a few football legends from ORANGE TEXAS who went on to play in the NFL. the building is still standing, just as the LEGEND STILL STANDS, unless the boundaries of Orange Texas changed since last night, then everything i just mentioned happened in Orange and the people who made the accomplishments did it as CITIZENS of ORANGE TEXAS!!!! without ANY help from DAN ,STEVE, or CORNELL!!!!!! perhaps you`ve heard of Andre Robertson, the first black to play baseball at UT& he went on to be a star outfielder for the NY YANKEES, ask Roderick(who i`m sure you`ve heard of) who was the better football player him or Andre. West Orange went to the playoffs several times before there ever was a merger as did Stark. I could go on but I know facts are irrelevant to you and your "Crowd". to once AGAIN address your ridiculous point about how many people were involved & whether or someone`s name was called. If Jason Garrett goes on ESPN & says I have the sorriest tight ends in the league, that`s not calling anyones name specifically, but everyone in the entire universe who follows the NFL wuold know exactly who he`s talking, that would be his perogative to do that, but do you think it help or hinder his relationship with those players???? Now, HOW HARD IS IT FOR ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS WO-S FOOTBALL TO KNOW WHO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE CALLED OUT HIS SENIORS????????? its not like they have a hundred man roster. Let me answer this post for you. what happened at Wallace was a long time ago, we`re talking about "RECENT HISTORY" how am i doing so far???? it`s been 10 yrs since wo-s played for & 24yrs since they won a championship. I`ll assume you`re a Dallas fan, when you brag about Dallas, do you only mention their most recent dreadful playoff record, or do you brag on their entire history, including ALL of their Super bowls (I DO) once again, either you`re willfully ignornant, biased against anyone or anything that doesn`t fit your WORLDVIEW, or you`re incapable of acknowdledging the TRUTH.PS: as far me being in over my head with an intellectual "LIGHT WEIGHT" like you PLEASE. if you had said I was over, as in standing over, your pal KICKERS` head, then I could have understood that. Kicker, there is medicine for "SHORT MAN SYNDROME"[/quote]LOL. Judex and Kicker, stop while your behind. This man is armed with facts and you just make yourself look stupid everytime you try and dispute it. Truth be told, some of you need to totally support the Mustangs by going watch the Little Mustangs football team. You will see this is where these great WO-S players are developed and guess what, they are coached by ex Mustang players who should have be given a chance to coach the High School team. These kids are dominating people and you don't see Thompson or any of the other coaches out there supporting these kids. By the time these high school coaches get these players, they are already developed as players. The credit needs to go to these Little league coaches who develop these players and don't get a pay check.[/quote]that would be asking Tooooo Muchhh for them to support the Whole system and give anyone else any credit, it might ruin their fantasy
kicker Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Actually I DO support the system. Oh, and for free. You don't know me so I will excuse your ignorance. Obviously you wouldn't know because your intentions are of insulting people. Just let it go, seriously.
WOSgrad Posted October 1, 2011 Author Report Posted October 1, 2011 We get it, you don't like Cornel Thompson. In fact, your War & Peace like diatribes could lead a person to think that you hate Cornel. That is okay, I am quite sure he doesn't give a rats rear end about your rants. So knock yourself out!You are correct, the Greater Orange area has a rich football history that did not start with WO-S. But they sure have continued it, and Cornel Thompson is a huge part of that continuing legacy. If you refuse to acknowledge that, you are either not the historian you profess to be or you have some sort of agenda.My vote is on the latter.
hondo1 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 [quote name="kicker" post="1071076" timestamp="1317491468"]Dude, give it up. Seriously. Can a mod please lock this thread? This guy is off his rocker. And the insult to me, well, obviously you don't know me. I'm tired of your rants and insults. Your true colors are showing also.[/quote]Seems like the only people that have their panties in a wad about this are the ones that couldnt cut the dicipline at WOS or are an outsider that has no clue about the program. Give it a rest and go back into your hole. I love when people get on here and hide behind an avatar. You have 5 posts, your opinion doesnt mean squat. now im sure you will post again with another name and cry.Man, you have some serious issues. You are beyond left field...your in the parking lot. insulted you?? i suppose those above quotes from you were all compliments????? seems as though someone can GIVE IT , But CANT TAKE. frankly i was just joking, but if a moderator locks this post, as you "begged" for them to do it`ll just prove my piont. HOW MUCH CLEARER CAN I MAKE MYSELF, I DO NOT DISLIKE OR HATE COACH THOMPSON OR ANY COACH AT WO-S, I DIDNT AGREE WITH THE POST GAME REMARKS BEING SAID &YOU SYNCHOPHANTS ACTED AS IF I HAD TALKED ABOUT HIS MOTHER. I TOLD WHAT I TAKE ISSUE WITH, IF YOU REALLY DON`T WANT TO HEAR FROM ME, THEN QUIT BEING A HYPOCRIT, BECAUSE I WILL CALL YOU ON IT, WITHOUT BEING PERSONAL AT ALL . TRUTH WILL ALWAYS WIN OUT. I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT A HYPOCRIT YOU ARE WHEN I MADE THE COMMENT, LOOK AT YOUR REACTION, YET U HAD NO PROBLEM GETTING PERSONAL WITH ME.
WOSgrad Posted October 1, 2011 Author Report Posted October 1, 2011 In the words of Shakespeare:"Me thinks the lady dost protexst a bit too loudly"Hypocrisy comes in many forms my friend.
kicker Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Well, I'm very tired of you calling me a hypocrite. You DON'T KNOW me so just leave it alone. And yes grad, seems there is an agenda here and if you read between his rants, you can clearly see it. I'm done with you and this thread.
venom33 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 i really hope everyone brought umbrellas because its raining cold hard facts up in here! lol!! ;D :o
Judex Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Are you ever going to answer the question of why it is inherently wrong to call out a specific high school kid and embarrass him separately from his teammates as opposed to critiquing and calling out the whole group to do better? Or would that do too much to undercut your entire premise that people here are being hypocritical? Why do you keep dodging?
Judex Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 [quote name="mustangproud" post="1071071" timestamp="1317491232"]LOL. Judex and Kicker, stop while your behind. This man is armed with facts and you just make yourself look stupid everytime you try and dispute it. Truth be told, some of you need to totally support the Mustangs by going watch the Little Mustangs football team. You will see this is where these great WO-S players are developed and guess what, they are coached by ex Mustang players [b]who should have be given a chance to coach the High School team[/b]. These kids are dominating people and you don't see Thompson or any of the other coaches out there supporting these kids. By the time these high school coaches get these players, they are already developed as players. The credit needs to go to these Little league coaches who develop these players and don't get a pay check.[/quote]No support huh? Nice analysis. I guess something unexplainable happened to those ex-Mustangs later on that equipped them to come back and help these young athletes develop. Surely it wasn't because they were themselves a product of the program right? Yeah, I suppose Coach T had zero impact on all those former Mustangs you are referencing. I know some of them come on these boards from time to time. Would love to hear their take on your little tirades, lol.P.S. Agenda identified.
Gasilla Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 The more the two of you post, the more your motives become apparent. Don't take the lack of people replying as some sort of "win". It's more that they know the real reason why you are here.One thing I will agree with you on though, we have some great coaches in the Lil Mustangs! I pray they never lose sight of what got them where they are.
77 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Posted October 2, 2011 Pretty sure the varsity coaches are working 7 days a week very little time to go out on Sat. and watch the little guys. Wish yall much luck and keep up the good work I think coaches realize yall are helping. Thanks again for your hard work and dedication.
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