no-look Posted October 6, 2011 Report Posted October 6, 2011 for basketball. Like um or not? If so, which type is good? Harmful? Anybody remember Sedric Johnson from Arp....Watched him as a sophmore at the state tourney. He was quick and could play above the rim. Awesome player....They made it back his sr. year and he was muscled up andf looked like a beast....only problem was he had lost his quickness and wasn't half the player he was his soph year......I'm not against using weights (they have their place)but not so much as district approaches..........I know, MJ lifted on game days.
stevenash Posted October 6, 2011 Report Posted October 6, 2011 Am ok with weights just as long as the llifting is overseen by the basketball staff rather than the football staff.
SmashMouth Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 Lighter weights and more reps (8 to 15) 2 to 3 sets. Always stretch before AND after. At least 1 day of rest before lifting on the same body part.
asary Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 As for high school basketball.....I for one do not like to weight. I am getting tired of weighting, and don't think I can weight much more. As for the NBA it looks like we will have to weight a whole year. ;D
stevenash Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name="5 on 5" post="1078400" timestamp="1318199018"]As for high school basketball.....I for one do not like to weight. I am getting tired of weighting, and don't think I can weight much more. As for the NBA it looks like we will have to weight a whole year. ;D[/quote]Maybe those NBA players will join some cross country teams this season.
asary Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="1078403" timestamp="1318199391"][quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=89371.msg1078400#msg1078400 date=1318199018]As for high school basketball.....I for one do not like to weight. I am getting tired of weighting, and don't think I can weight much more. As for the NBA it looks like we will have to weight a whole year. ;D[/quote]Maybe those NBA players will join some cross country teams this season.[/quote]I do know for a fact Perkins has been in the gym hittin the weights pretty regularly lately, but I can't vouch for his cross country routine. ;)
stevenash Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name="5 on 5" post="1078412" timestamp="1318199864"][quote author=stevenash link=topic=89371.msg1078403#msg1078403 date=1318199391][quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=89371.msg1078400#msg1078400 date=1318199018]As for high school basketball.....I for one do not like to weight. I am getting tired of weighting, and don't think I can weight much more. As for the NBA it looks like we will have to weight a whole year. ;D[/quote]Maybe those NBA players will join some cross country teams this season.[/quote]I do know for a fact Perkins has been in the gym hittin the weights pretty regularly lately, but I can't vouch for his cross country routine. ;)[/quote]Weights are the right thing for him I don't imagine he would break any speed or endurance records on the cross country course.
Honest Abe Posted October 10, 2011 Report Posted October 10, 2011 Weights are a must IMO. Weights improve strength, power, explosiveness, and helps to prevent injuries. Too many b-ball coaches under emphasize their value. The only time I believe they are not of value is on game day. Definitely messes up your shot. Would love to see Nederland bulk up a bit and push other teams around (for a change). :)
SmashMouth Posted October 10, 2011 Report Posted October 10, 2011 [quote name="Honest Abe" post="1078683" timestamp="1318216632"][b]Weights are a must IMO. Weights improve strength, power, explosiveness, and helps to prevent injuries. Too many b-ball coaches under emphasize their value[/b]. The only time I believe they are not of value is on game day. Definitely messes up your shot. Would love to see Nederland bulk up a bit and push other teams around (for a change). :)[/quote]Amen.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 10, 2011 Report Posted October 10, 2011 Weights help with mental training and endurance during long tournaments and season. Oh but thats right, cc does the same thing :-\
SmashMouth Posted October 11, 2011 Report Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1079420" timestamp="1318283803"]Weights help with mental training and endurance during long tournaments and season. Oh but thats right, cc does the same thing :-\[/quote]Weights (which should be combined with stretching) also help with upper body strength and coordination.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name="SmashMouth" post="1079515" timestamp="1318293836"][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=89371.msg1079420#msg1079420 date=1318283803]Weights help with mental training and endurance during long tournaments and season. Oh but thats right, cc does the same thing :-\[/quote]Weights (which should be combined with stretching) also help with upper body strength and coordination.[/quote] I do believe in weights. I really do see the benefits when "boys" start to play against bigger, older, quicker and stronger "men" during the summer months.
AggiesAreWe Posted October 11, 2011 Report Posted October 11, 2011 [size=36pt][b]FOOTBALL!!!!!!![/b][/size] ;D ;D
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Posted October 11, 2011 And luckily football will be over in a month or so and our prayers will be answered once again.
AggiesAreWe Posted October 11, 2011 Report Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1079871" timestamp="1318352866"]And luckily football will be over in a month or so and our prayers will be answered once again.[/quote]For some. ;)Even Ozen may be playing football at the end of November.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Posted October 11, 2011 [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1079879" timestamp="1318353069"][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=89371.msg1079871#msg1079871 date=1318352866]And luckily football will be over in a month or so and our prayers will be answered once again.[/quote]For some. ;)Even Ozen may be playing football at the end of November.[/quote] Hmmmmm! You do have a point. Something I gotta adjust too ;)
asary Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 I am a firm believer in appropriate weight training. Another mode of training I think is really underutilized is plyometrics. I have seen players verticals go through the roof with appropriate use of plyos.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 [quote name="5 on 5" post="1086611" timestamp="1318906582"]I am a firm believer in appropriate weight training. Another mode of training I think is really underutilized is plyometrics. I have seen players verticals go through the roof with appropriate use of plyos.[/quote]I'm in agreement with this.
stevenash Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 If a player does not shoot, pass, and defend well, I am not that interested in how high he jumps.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="1087597" timestamp="1319036607"]If a player does not shoot, pass, and defend well, I am not that interested in how high he jumps.[/quote]Thank you! Thank you! A man with some common sense. I'm so tired of hearing about players who can dunk a ball. I always follow-up with: can they hit a mid range shot with some consistency? Can't fool the old schoolers with that X-Box mentality.
asary Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="1087597" timestamp="1319036607"]If a player does not shoot, pass, and defend well, I am not that interested in how high he jumps.[/quote]Yeah why should anyone work to be a "complete" player anyway?? Just pick a couple of skills and work on that. ::) :o
stevenash Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name="5 on 5" post="1087716" timestamp="1319046432"][quote author=stevenash link=topic=89371.msg1087597#msg1087597 date=1319036607]If a player does not shoot, pass, and defend well, I am not that interested in how high he jumps.[/quote]Yeah why should anyone work to be a "complete" player anyway?? Just pick a couple of skills and work on that. ::) :o[/quote]I assume that you are belittling my last comment. I am all for strength training and endurance training but NOT at the cost of skill training/improvement. If you have a player who looks like Adonis and can dunk flat footed and run the 100 yd dash in 9.5 seconds, that is great. However, if he can't make a free throw when it matters, or doesnt know how to "take care" of the ball and not turn it over, I would gladly sacrifice some of that strength and speed for a better set of skills. I think Larry Bird is probably a good example of what I am suggesting.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="1087727" timestamp="1319047244"][quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=89371.msg1087716#msg1087716 date=1319046432][quote author=stevenash link=topic=89371.msg1087597#msg1087597 date=1319036607]If a player does not shoot, pass, and defend well, I am not that interested in how high he jumps.[/quote]Yeah why should anyone work to be a "complete" player anyway?? Just pick a couple of skills and work on that. ::) :o[/quote]I assume that you are belittling my last comment. I am all for strength training and endurance training but NOT at the cost of skill training/improvement. If you have a player who looks like Adonis and can dunk flat footed and run the 100 yd dash in 9.5 seconds, that is great. However, if he can't make a free throw when it matters, or doesnt know how to "take care" of the ball and not turn it over, I would gladly sacrifice some of that strength and speed for a better set of skills. I think Larry Bird is probably a good example of what I am suggesting.[/quote]Bird is gone. Only one Bird. Get over it. Not in your lifetime ;D
stevenash Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 He is still good evidence that skills and intellect are the most important when it comes to functioning well in a legitimate TEAM environment. Kobe Bryant is muscularly well defined and jumps very well but that has never stopped Paul Pierce from competing quite well against him. Dove, the best part is that you KNOW that I am right on the money on the Bird analogy so your only comeback is to say he is from the past. Kevin McHale was another perfect example of no muscles, no speed, no vertical jump but somehow managed to be a 7 time All Star and helped bring a title or two to Boston
asary Posted October 19, 2011 Report Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name="stevenash" post="1087727" timestamp="1319047244"][quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=89371.msg1087716#msg1087716 date=1319046432][quote author=stevenash link=topic=89371.msg1087597#msg1087597 date=1319036607]If a player does not shoot, pass, and defend well, I am not that interested in how high he jumps.[/quote]Yeah why should anyone work to be a "complete" player anyway?? Just pick a couple of skills and work on that. ::) :o[/quote]I assume that you are belittling my last comment. I am all for strength training and endurance training but NOT at the cost of skill training/improvement. If you have a player who looks like Adonis and can dunk flat footed and run the 100 yd dash in 9.5 seconds, that is great. However, if he can't make a free throw when it matters, or doesnt know how to "take care" of the ball and not turn it over, I would gladly sacrifice some of that strength and speed for a better set of skills. I think Larry Bird is probably a good example of what I am suggesting.[/quote]Not belittling, just some fun debate. I agree you have to have the fundamentals, and jumping ability isn't the first priority. But a LOT of kids with a good skill set don't work on improving their jumping ability. I just find it very frustrating when a good athlete doesn't meet his full potential, either because he has a bad work ethic or because of a lack of appropriate guidance on how to achieve it. I believe it's the "details" that can make a good athlete a great athlete. And I agree with Dove, the athletes of yesteryear are FAR different from the athletes of today, apples and oranges.
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