Vidor - Crosby, Thursday at Lamar, 7:30

[bulldogfan22]

i will be there  to see Vidor thurs

[QueenPirate]

CALLING ALL PIRATES!!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE A CITY PEP RALLY TOMORROW NIGHT @ 7 AT THE FOOTBALL FIELD....IF IT IS RAINING IT WILL BE HELD IN THE GYM!! SHOW UP AND SUPPORT OUR BOYS JOURNEY INTO THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!  :D

[NDNation]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1107504" timestamp="1320642993"]
[quote author=vpdb78 link=topic=91011.msg1107475#msg1107475 date=1320639603]
Go Pirates i will be there with a few other Dayton fans
[/quote]
And i will be at the Dayton game.  8)
[/quote]

But not sitting on their side, right? :)

[Jackthehammer]

Vidor takes tis one

[robanadana]

[quote name="PirateGirl4ever" post="1107604" timestamp="1320676928"]
CALLING ALL PIRATES!!!!!!!! THERE WILL BE A CITY PEP RALLY TOMORROW NIGHT @ 7 AT THE FOOTBALL FIELD....IF IT IS RAINING IT WILL BE HELD IN THE GYM!! SHOW UP AND SUPPORT OUR BOYS JOURNEY INTO THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!  :D
[/quote]

PirateGirl, Tuesday night @ 7:00 p.m.??? I'll be there!!!

[uandme08]

Let's Go PIRATES from the PANTHERS!!!!!!!!

[QueenPirate]

[quote name="uandme08" post="1107796" timestamp="1320686530"]
Let's Go PIRATES from the PANTHERS!!!!!!!!
[/quote]

Go Panthers from the Pirates!!! Congrats and good luck boys!!!

[bronco pride]

[quote name="Eagle0011" post="1106709" timestamp="1320557582"]
I have not seen Vidor play, but did watch Crosby Friday and they are a very athletic team. The twins can flat out run and the DE on the right side was a monster.  I know if Crosby does not get far this year, the next 2 years look good for them. I heard the JV was undefeated, and with the twins just being sophs. they will be pretty tough for the next couple of years.  Just wondering other than the twins how many returners they will have next season.
[/quote]they have alot of seniors and their jv was beat by dayton I beleive. Also dayton freshman beat them 50-6 in other words look out for dayton.

[BHFAN]

[quote name="bronco pride" post="1107970" timestamp="1320694202"]
[quote author=Eagle0011 link=topic=91011.msg1106709#msg1106709 date=1320557582]
I have not seen Vidor play, but did watch Crosby Friday and they are a very athletic team. The twins can flat out run and the DE on the right side was a monster.  I know if Crosby does not get far this year, the next 2 years look good for them. I heard the JV was undefeated, and with the twins just being sophs. they will be pretty tough for the next couple of years.  Just wondering other than the twins how many returners they will have next season.
[/quote]they have alot of seniors and their jv was beat by dayton I beleive. Also dayton freshman beat them 50-6 in other words look out for dayton.
[/quote]

Dayton JV lost to Crosby and BH from what I was told. Crosby beat BH's JV

[RED MACHINE]

Crosby JV lost to Dayton 8 - 0 & beat Mont Belvieu 24 - 18. Dayton was the only district blemish

[Cougtalk]

[quote name="bronco pride" post="1107970" timestamp="1320694202"]
[quote author=Eagle0011 link=topic=91011.msg1106709#msg1106709 date=1320557582]
I have not seen Vidor play, but did watch Crosby Friday and they are a very athletic team. The twins can flat out run and the DE on the right side was a monster.  I know if Crosby does not get far this year, the next 2 years look good for them. I heard the JV was undefeated, and with the twins just being sophs. they will be pretty tough for the next couple of years.  Just wondering other than the twins how many returners they will have next season.
[/quote]they have alot of seniors and their jv was beat by dayton I beleive. Also dayton freshman beat them 50-6 in other words look out for dayton.
[/quote]
Just pointing this out

Crosby JV has a bunch of sophmore talent, but some of that is on varsity. Cougars will be dangerous no doubts.

[bronco pride]

[quote name="BHFAN" post="1107978" timestamp="1320694531"]
[quote author=bronco pride link=topic=91011.msg1107970#msg1107970 date=1320694202]
[quote author=Eagle0011 link=topic=91011.msg1106709#msg1106709 date=1320557582]
I have not seen Vidor play, but did watch Crosby Friday and they are a very athletic team. The twins can flat out run and the DE on the right side was a monster.  I know if Crosby does not get far this year, the next 2 years look good for them. I heard the JV was undefeated, and with the twins just being sophs. they will be pretty tough for the next couple of years.  Just wondering other than the twins how many returners they will have next season.
[/quote]they have alot of seniors and their jv was beat by dayton I beleive. Also dayton freshman beat them 50-6 in other words look out for dayton.
[/quote]you were wrong a simple apology would be nice

Dayton JV lost to Crosby and BH from what I was told. Crosby beat BH's JV
[/quote]

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

[quote name="aries456" post="1107520" timestamp="1320647281"]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]
Well get over it or don't read it. You don't like what i say well do your best to become a mod and ban me. Until then i'm gonna continue to support my team the way i support it. All of you "fans" can kiss my arse.
[quote author=BWOOD link=topic=91011.msg1107532#msg1107532 date=1320668048]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

Amen;  ;D
[/quote]
Same goes to you.
[quote author=TITAN POWER link=topic=91011.msg1107537#msg1107537 date=1320669814]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

+ karma for you
[/quote]
I'm not even gonna respond to you.


Anyways gotta love the haters huh. Gotta love the jealous and immature people even more.  ::)  8)

[dustoff03]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1108136" timestamp="1320703728"]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]
Well get over it or don't read it. You don't like what i say well do your best to become a mod and ban me. Until then i'm gonna continue to support my team the way i support it. All of you "fans" can kiss my arse.
[quote author=BWOOD link=topic=91011.msg1107532#msg1107532 date=1320668048]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

Amen;  ;D
[/quote]
Same goes to you.
[quote author=TITAN POWER link=topic=91011.msg1107537#msg1107537 date=1320669814]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

+ karma for you
[/quote]
I'm not even gonna respond to you.


Anyways gotta love the haters huh. Gotta love the jealous people even more.  ::)  8)
[/quote]
I LOVE IT! KEEP IT GOING!!!!!!

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

[quote name="dustoff03" post="1108147" timestamp="1320704113"]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=91011.msg1108136#msg1108136 date=1320703728]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]
Well get over it or don't read it. You don't like what i say well do your best to become a mod and ban me. Until then i'm gonna continue to support my team the way i support it. All of you "fans" can kiss my arse.
[quote author=BWOOD link=topic=91011.msg1107532#msg1107532 date=1320668048]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

Amen;  ;D
[/quote]
Same goes to you.
[quote author=TITAN POWER link=topic=91011.msg1107537#msg1107537 date=1320669814]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

+ karma for you
[/quote]
I'm not even gonna respond to you.


Anyways gotta love the haters huh. Gotta love the jealous people even more.  ::)  8)
[/quote]
I LOVE IT! KEEP IT GOING!!!!!!
[/quote]
lmao

[TITAN POWER]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1108136" timestamp="1320703728"]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]
Well get over it or don't read it. You don't like what i say well do your best to become a mod and ban me. Until then i'm gonna continue to support my team the way i support it. All of you "fans" can kiss my arse.
[quote author=BWOOD link=topic=91011.msg1107532#msg1107532 date=1320668048]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

Amen;  ;D
[/quote]
Same goes to you.
[quote author=TITAN POWER link=topic=91011.msg1107537#msg1107537 date=1320669814]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

+ karma for you
[/quote]
I'm not even gonna respond to you.


Anyways gotta love the haters huh. Gotta love the jealous people even more.  ::)  8)
[/quote]

You already did. 

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

[quote name="TITAN POWER" post="1108175" timestamp="1320705446"]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=91011.msg1108136#msg1108136 date=1320703728]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]
Well get over it or don't read it. You don't like what i say well do your best to become a mod and ban me. Until then i'm gonna continue to support my team the way i support it. All of you "fans" can kiss my arse.
[quote author=BWOOD link=topic=91011.msg1107532#msg1107532 date=1320668048]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

Amen;  ;D
[/quote]
Same goes to you.
[quote author=TITAN POWER link=topic=91011.msg1107537#msg1107537 date=1320669814]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

+ karma for you
[/quote]
I'm not even gonna respond to you.


Anyways gotta love the haters huh. Gotta love the jealous and [size=12pt][b]immature[/b][/size] people even more.  ::)  8)
[/quote]

You already did.
[/quote]
Thank you for proving my point.

[Guest Cap Rock Brewing Co.]

You Vidor folks need a group hug. May I suggest the community pep rally?

Someone was asking about how much Crosby has coming back next year. Crosby is quite young overall. The starting Center, RB, and QB are all sophomores. There are a couple of juniors who have been getting some time on the OL. #77 has been playing some tackle quite a bit, and I believe he has started a couple of games - he is a junior. The main receivers are all seniors but the JV has a couple of kids who will fit in well with what Crosby does. The JV also has a few sophomore lineman who could've been on Varsity but needed to play every down on JV.

The defense is very young. One starting d-lineman is a junior. Another junior rotates in about every other series. All 3 LBs will be returning - one is a sophomore.  One rover is starting now as a sophomore. One of the starting CB's is a junior. One FS (#4) that gets quite a bit of time is a junior as well.  The defense maxes out with about 4 seniors on the field at once. They also rotate in lots of kids for game experience.

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

[quote name="Cap Rock Brewing Co." post="1108228" timestamp="1320708417"]
You Vidor folks need a group hug. May I suggest the community pep rally?

Someone was asking about how much Crosby has coming back next year. Crosby is quite young overall. The starting Center, RB, and QB are all sophomores. There are a couple of juniors who have been getting some time on the OL. #77 has been playing some tackle quite a bit, and I believe he has started a couple of games - he is a junior. The main receivers are all seniors but the JV has a couple of kids who will fit in well with what Crosby does. The JV also has a few sophomore lineman who could've been on Varsity but needed to play every down on JV.

The defense is very young. One starting d-lineman is a junior. Another junior rotates in about every other series. All 3 LBs will be returning - one is a sophomore.  One rover is starting now as a sophomore. One of the starting CB's is a junior. One FS (#4) that gets quite a bit of time is a junior as well.  The defense maxes out with about 4 seniors on the field at once. They also rotate in lots of kids for game experience.
[/quote]
Wow. Sounds like yall are gonna be one to watch out for in these next few years.

[mike76]

does anyone know if we are home or visitor  (vidor that is )

[Tyrone_Biggums]

Why was this game scheduled for a Thursday? I do not understand what advantage either team would gain by playing with a short week of practice.

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

[quote name="Tyrone_Biggums" post="1108357" timestamp="1320714752"]
Why was this game scheduled for a Thursday? I do not understand what advantage either team would gain by playing with a short week of practice.
[/quote]
I am wondering the same thing. But i bet it had something to do with getting a neutral place that was close and getting it on a day it wasn't already taken.

[daddy23]

I know that we are long past talking football and mostly just smack talking. 

But some of the football talk on this thread (and the other thread) really had me curious.  I thought I would share what I found as I tried to research.  These are just my observations.  I am not a professional scout.  And note that this is mostly written to my fellow Vidor fans.

Crosby Offense:  I am not sure what # the Twins wear.  However, from what I saw of their QB (#7), he looked really impressive.  He looks better using his legs, but he can throw it.  He appeared to be more dangerous throwing when he could set his feet. 

I would best describe their offense is PNG-like.  They run the bubble screen.  A lot of fake handoff, QB keeper.  And a lot of shotgun, handoff to the RB lined up next to the QB.  There offense is explosive.  I saw quite a few big plays. 

One thing that I thought I noticed is that on many of their plays, they do not appear to use the line to block the LBs.  It appears that they are trying to neutralize the DL and then let the RBs make the LBs miss.  I know that we historically have struggled with the PNG-like offense.  But I thought we defended the Bubble screen very well against PNG.  And I would guess that Crosby would adjust and focus extra blockers on our LBs.  But I hate to guess too much on what Crosby will do.  Clearly, there coaches will have a better insight than I do.

Defense: I watched what they did defensively against Barbers Hill.  I do not think Vidor will see a similar scheme.  They really only had a 3 man front all night.  To echo what another poster said, there Right DE is a beast!

A few posters talked about how BH runs the same offense as Vidor.  This could really not be further from the truth.  BH seemed to run 2 basic offenses.  One was a spread.  But the offense that BH started with against Crosby was a Run oriented offense, but was not Wing T/Slot T.  I assure you that no coach in Crosby is confused and think that BH offense prepared them for Vidor's offense. 

Crosby's Defense had some huge Turnovers against BH.  They were difference makers.

Other Observations:  At  least twice Crosby went for it on 4th down.  Once, in the 1st half, crosby went for it on 4th and 1 from their own 14.  I could not believe what I was seeing.  They converted both times. 

Special Teams:  Crosby's Special Team play that I saw (against PNG and BH) seemed odd.  They had some big plays, but they gave up some big returns.  And they had one kickoff return that ended up inside their own 5.  I did not have a good angle for watching these plays, but it just seemed weird.

I am not sure who will win this game.  I think it is crazy to think that either team is clearly better than the other.  Could we have a blow-out?  Sure, anything can happen on a Friday night especially with all the pressure of the Playoffs.  If either team has early Turnovers, it could get ugly. 

But from what I saw, it should be 2 really good teams that match up on Thursday night.  I am going to try to watch more of Crosby and I may post some follow-up later in the week.

[RonBurgundy68]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1108136" timestamp="1320703728"]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]
Well get over it or don't read it. You don't like what i say well do your best to become a mod and ban me. Until then i'm gonna continue to support my team the way i support it. All of you "fans" can kiss my arse.
[quote author=BWOOD link=topic=91011.msg1107532#msg1107532 date=1320668048]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

Amen;  ;D
[/quote]
Same goes to you.
[quote author=TITAN POWER link=topic=91011.msg1107537#msg1107537 date=1320669814]
[quote author=aries456 link=topic=91011.msg1107520#msg1107520 date=1320647281]
Cough* mytwocents *Cough

I mean ya it's cool and all to have a little smack talk here and there, but you don't know when to stop! And when I say "respect given back" it coincides with not knowing when to stop. Like giving saying that you were just messing around or stuff like that.

95% of us Vidor fans on here get tired of it...
[/quote]

+ karma for you
[/quote]
I'm not even gonna respond to you.


Anyways gotta love the haters huh. Gotta love the jealous and immature people even more.  ::)  8)
[/quote]

Well it gets really old coming on here and seeing people dog Vidor left and right only because of stuff that you say... I don't blame them. So don't act surprised when someone does it right back.

[Cougtalk]

[quote name="daddy23" post="1108627" timestamp="1320724915"]
I know that we are long past talking football and mostly just smack talking. 

But some of the football talk on this thread (and the other thread) really had me curious.  I thought I would share what I found as I tried to research.  These are just my observations.  I am not a professional scout.  And note that this is mostly written to my fellow Vidor fans.

Crosby Offense:  I am not sure what # the Twins wear.  However, from what I saw of their QB (#7), he looked really impressive.  He looks better using his legs, but he can throw it.  He appeared to be more dangerous throwing when he could set his feet. 

I would best describe their offense is PNG-like.  They run the bubble screen.  A lot of fake handoff, QB keeper.  And a lot of shotgun, handoff to the RB lined up next to the QB.  There offense is explosive.  I saw quite a few big plays. 

One thing that I thought I noticed is that on many of their plays, they do not appear to use the line to block the LBs.  It appears that they are trying to neutralize the DL and then let the RBs make the LBs miss.  I know that we historically have struggled with the PNG-like offense.  But I thought we defended the Bubble screen very well against PNG.  And I would guess that Crosby would adjust and focus extra blockers on our LBs.  But I hate to guess too much on what Crosby will do.  Clearly, there coaches will have a better insight than I do.

Defense: I watched what they did defensively against Barbers Hill.  I do not think Vidor will see a similar scheme.  They really only had a 3 man front all night.  To echo what another poster said, there Right DE is a beast!

A few posters talked about how BH runs the same offense as Vidor.  This could really not be further from the truth.  BH seemed to run 2 basic offenses.  One was a spread.  But the offense that BH started with against Crosby was a Run oriented offense, but was not Wing T/Slot T.  I assure you that no coach in Crosby is confused and think that BH offense prepared them for Vidor's offense. 

Crosby's Defense had some huge Turnovers against BH.  They were difference makers.

Other Observations:  At  least twice Crosby went for it on 4th down.  Once, in the 1st half, crosby went for it on 4th and 1 from their own 14.  I could not believe what I was seeing.  They converted both times. 

Special Teams:  Crosby's Special Team play that I saw (against PNG and BH) seemed odd.  They had some big plays, but they gave up some big returns.  And they had one kickoff return that ended up inside their own 5.  I did not have a good angle for watching these plays, but it just seemed weird.

I am not sure who will win this game.  I think it is crazy to think that either team is clearly better than the other.  Could we have a blow-out?  Sure, anything can happen on a Friday night especially with all the pressure of the Playoffs.  If either team has early Turnovers, it could get ugly. 

But from what I saw, it should be 2 really good teams that match up on Thursday night.  I am going to try to watch more of Crosby and I may post some follow-up later in the week.
[/quote]

Good post.

Our Special Teams consistently makes us go what the heLL.

We are PNG like but more running then they do, they seem to pass as much as they run, we do not do this.

The defense you will see is a 3-3-5, and it will be getting played all night.

Also i expect the blocking scheme to be the same, if it didn't change vs BH (Great linebackers), there is no reason to change it for Vidor. The linebackers get picked by there own linemen most the time, and they almost always are put into bad angles by doubles on the linemen. Means we push the tackle 4 yards down field into the way of the linebackers.

Now i do believe there is potential for something like the PNG game to happen. However i simply believe if you give the Cougars a lead and there special teams doesn't hand you the game, your not gonna come back.

1 Yard is automatic for my Cougs, but tbh that play was a "I think they can't stop me" type of play. The coaching staff must have believed BH cannot stop the cougars on 4th down, and guess what they where right.

we were 3/3 on 4th down conversions btw.

I guess i don't know what your calling the slot t then, my bad my 60's football schemes book is a little faded. =p (Gotta have a little fun)