Looking Forward...

[Lazeek]

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1109536" timestamp="1320802600"]
Silsbee vs HJ has been the PREMIER match up in SETX for the past 7 years. Before then I would say it was Kountze vs HJ, Ozen vs Central, Silsbee vs PA Lincoln, West Brook vs Central. The only schools with a huge fan base to make noise over the past few years has been Silsbee, HJ, and Koutntze. Evadable and Spurger have done well but don't see too many of their fans on here. If you have never been to a Silsbee vs HJ home and home game, I'd advise you to do so. I really enjoy the fans and the clean game both teams play. Over the last few years I think both teams have combined to have 5 All State Players (Stallworth, Jones, Robinson,Donahoe, and Prudhomme), 2 of the states best coaches, and the largest crowds in SETX. Nuffield said!
[/quote]

Might want to add Jarvis Benard from HJ to that list!!!

[Lazeek]

Also Nederland has tons of fans on here the last few years

[True Blue]

I have been looking forward to this time of yr of 28 yrs And Now for the first time I do not have anyone to follow in Highschool  Basketball  :'( :'( :'( :'(

[BADSANTA]

Your right! Also dint HJ have another guy at guard about 2 years ago. He was a very good player. Might have been 5"10 or so and wore a headband.

[ST413]

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1109650" timestamp="1320807245"]
Your right! Also dint HJ have another guy at guard about 2 years ago. He was a very good player. Might have been 5"10 or so and wore a headband.
[/quote]
Turner

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1109562" timestamp="1320804119"]
Also Nederland has tons of fans on here the last few years
[/quote]

Well, we've actually had something to talk about ever since English took over the program five/six years ago. It all turned around about 9 years ago when he and a few others started a little dribblers program in Nederland. As long as he is our head coach, we will continue to be competitive, and that will keep us active on this board. As I've said before, I don't expect Nederland to win district this season (as I expected them to win last year), but it will not surprise me if they win district again. With their 7th, 8th, 9th, JV, and Varsity teams all winning district last year, I expect Nederland will be very competitive for years to come...

[stevenash]

Nederland very capable of winning district this year

[robanadana]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1109687" timestamp="1320808816"]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=91016.msg1109562#msg1109562 date=1320804119]
Also Nederland has tons of fans on here the last few years
[/quote]

Well, we've actually had something to talk about ever since English took over the program five/six years ago. It all turned around about 9 years ago when he and a few others started a little dribblers program in Nederland. As long as he is our head coach, we will continue to be competitive, and that will keep us active on this board. As I've said before, I don't expect Nederland to win district this season (as I expected them to win last year), but it will not surprise me if they win district again. With their 7th, 8th, 9th, JV, and Varsity teams all winning district last year, I expect Nederland will be very competitive for years to come...
[/quote]

HonestAbe, can't agree with you more about Brian English. I believe my Pirates would still be a force if he would have stayed. I still get sick at my stomach.....as long as he's in Nederland, you will be a power in basketball. Best coach in the area and a great man. We miss him terribly. I honestly believe he could coach at the next level; perhaps Lamar should give him a chance given the clowns they've been through in the last couple of decades.

[Lazeek]

[quote name="robanadana" post="1109796" timestamp="1320814281"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1109687#msg1109687 date=1320808816]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=91016.msg1109562#msg1109562 date=1320804119]
Also Nederland has tons of fans on here the last few years
[/quote]

Well, we've actually had something to talk about ever since English took over the program five/six years ago. It all turned around about 9 years ago when he and a few others started a little dribblers program in Nederland. As long as he is our head coach, we will continue to be competitive, and that will keep us active on this board. As I've said before, I don't expect Nederland to win district this season (as I expected them to win last year), but it will not surprise me if they win district again. With their 7th, 8th, 9th, JV, and Varsity teams all winning district last year, I expect Nederland will be very competitive for years to come...
[/quote]

HonestAbe, can't agree with you more about Brian English. I believe my Pirates would still be a force if he would have stayed. I still get sick at my stomach.....as long as he's in Nederland, you will be a power in basketball. [b]Best coach in the area and a great man[/b]. We miss him terribly. I honestly believe he could coach at the next level; perhaps Lamar should give him a chance given the clowns they've been through in the last couple of decades.
[/quote]

Great man??  Yes!!!  Best coach in the area???  No, but he is VERY good!!!!  And not far behind the best coaches in the area.  Got to get some hardware before you can be the best!!!!

[ST413]

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1109807" timestamp="1320814882"]
[quote author=robanadana link=topic=91016.msg1109796#msg1109796 date=1320814281]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1109687#msg1109687 date=1320808816]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=91016.msg1109562#msg1109562 date=1320804119]
Also Nederland has tons of fans on here the last few years
[/quote]

Well, we've actually had something to talk about ever since English took over the program five/six years ago. It all turned around about 9 years ago when he and a few others started a little dribblers program in Nederland. As long as he is our head coach, we will continue to be competitive, and that will keep us active on this board. As I've said before, I don't expect Nederland to win district this season (as I expected them to win last year), but it will not surprise me if they win district again. With their 7th, 8th, 9th, JV, and Varsity teams all winning district last year, I expect Nederland will be very competitive for years to come...
[/quote]

HonestAbe, can't agree with you more about Brian English. I believe my Pirates would still be a force if he would have stayed. I still get sick at my stomach.....as long as he's in Nederland, you will be a power in basketball. [b]Best coach in the area and a great man[/b]. We miss him terribly. I honestly believe he could coach at the next level; perhaps Lamar should give him a chance given the clowns they've been through in the last couple of decades.
[/quote]

Great man??  Yes!!!  Best coach in the area???  No, but he is VERY good!!!!  And not far behind the best coaches in the area.  Got to get some hardware before you can be the best!!!!
[/quote]
a good
I don't know if that is necessarily the case.  A Coach who takes very poor talent and gets the best possible results could definately be better than a good coach taking a talented team all the way.  Not stating a case for anyone but hardware isn't always the best measurement.

[Lazeek]

I would agree ST413.........are you implying that Nederland does not have any talent?? If so, you are sadly mistaken!!!  They have been very talented for the last 4-5 years!!!

[ST413]

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1109819" timestamp="1320815741"]
I would agree ST413.........are you implying that Nederland does not have any talent?? If so, you are sadly mistaken!!!  They have been very talented for the last 4-5 years!!!
[/quote]

No not at all,  they have been good recently.

[Guest speechless]

Don't forget Trey Burrell

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1109807" timestamp="1320814882"]
[quote author=robanadana link=topic=91016.msg1109796#msg1109796 date=1320814281]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1109687#msg1109687 date=1320808816]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=91016.msg1109562#msg1109562 date=1320804119]
Also Nederland has tons of fans on here the last few years
[/quote]

Well, we've actually had something to talk about ever since English took over the program five/six years ago. It all turned around about 9 years ago when he and a few others started
a little dribblers program in Nederland. As long as he is our head coach, we will continue to be competitive, and that will keep us active on this board. As I've said before, I don't expect
Nederland to win district this season (as I expected them to win last year), but it will not surprise me if they win district again. With their 7th, 8th, 9th, JV, and Varsity teams all winning district last year, I expect
Nederland will be very competitive for years to come...
[/quote]

HonestAbe, can't agree with you more about Brian English. I believe my Pirates would still be a force if he would have stayed. I still get sick at my stomach.....as long as he's in Nederland, you will be a power in basketball. [b]Best coach in the area and a great
man[/b]. We miss him terribly. I honestly believe he could coach at the next level; perhaps Lamar should give him a chance given the clowns they've been through in the last couple of decades.
[/quote]

Great man??  Yes!!!  Best coach in the area???  No, but he is VERY good!!!!  And not far
behind the best coaches in the area.  Got to get some hardware before you can be the best!!!!
[/quote]

Ok, Lazeek, then who are the best coaches in the area? Is that really how you judge who the best coaches are? Are John Stockton, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, and Charles Barkley not some of the best NBA players to have ever played the game? None of these players ever won a championship. Based on hardware, HJ coach has a state title and who else?
Here are a few arguments which Coach English has accomplished which make him one of the best coaches in the area:

5 time coach of the year in district 20-4A (2 at Vidor, 3 at Nederland)
2 District Championships at Nederland (Last district championship was in 1955)
2 trips to the playoffs at Vidor-something that has never happened in Vidor history (vidor never even had a winning season above .500 until he arrived) and has not happened since he left.
3 Playoff trips at Nederland ( last was 1992, and before that was in 1955)
1 Regional appearance in 4A last season

What other coaches around here have turned 2 programs completely around like he has in the past 10 years?

I know, I know, HJ has way more playoff appearances and a few state championships. HJ has a strong history of excellence in Basketball.

The statement made by Robanadana was that he is one of the best coaches in the area. If he's not, then who are the best-in your opinion? Who has the hardware that meets your requirements?

[BLUEDOVE3]

Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well.

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110104" timestamp="1320876268"]
Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well.
[/quote]
Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion?

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1110108" timestamp="1320876567"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268]
Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well.
[/quote]
Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion?
[/quote]Active, inactive, etc?

I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm?

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110116" timestamp="1320877056"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110108#msg1110108 date=1320876567]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268]
Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well.
[/quote]
Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion?
[/quote]Active, inactive, etc

I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm?
[/quote]

Active coaches of course!
HJ-ok.
KOUNTZE-Ok.
PAM-Why? What has he accomplished?
Boutte Is not be coach there.
Who else?

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110116" timestamp="1320877056"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110108#msg1110108 date=1320876567]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268]
Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well.
[/quote]
Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion?
[/quote]Active, inactive, etc?

[b]I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area [/b] but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm?
[/quote]

Yet you voice your opinion about 'the top dogs' ???

[aTmfan06]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1110123" timestamp="1320877370"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110116#msg1110116 date=1320877056]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110108#msg1110108 date=1320876567]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268]
Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well.
[/quote]
Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion?
[/quote]Active, inactive, etc

I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm?
[/quote]

Active coaches of course!
HJ-ok.
KOUNTZE-Ok.
PAM-Why? What has he accomplished?
Boutte Is not be coach there.
Who else?
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure Travis Williams has accomplished alot... this will be his first year at PAM... but him, joubert,  and Sutherland are all ahead of English

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="utfan06" post="1110219" timestamp="1320882424"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110123#msg1110123 date=1320877370]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110116#msg1110116 date=1320877056]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110108#msg1110108 date=1320876567]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268]
Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well.
[/quote]
Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion?
[/quote]Active, inactive, etc

I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm?
[/quote]

Active coaches of course!
HJ-ok.
KOUNTZE-Ok.
PAM-Why? What has he accomplished?
Boutte Is not be coach there.
Who else?
[/quote]
I'm [b]pretty sure [/b] Travis Williams has accomplished alot... this will be his first year at PAM... but him, joubert,  and Sutherland are all ahead of English
[/quote]

Just curious what he has accomplished? Where did he coach before? Not familiar with him, please share his credentials. He came from Silsbee, right?

[aTmfan06]

Silsbee ... I'm not sure about all his credibility ... AAW will help me here I'm sure

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="utfan06" post="1110232" timestamp="1320882931"]
Silsbee ... I'm not sure about all his credibility ... AAW will help me here I'm sure
[/quote]

Oh! I'm sure we'll get plenty of information from AAW!  :)
He IS Mr. Silsbee!
Wonder if he has ever considered running for mayor there?
He would get my vote!  8)

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="utfan06" post="1110219" timestamp="1320882424"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110123#msg1110123 date=1320877370]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110116#msg1110116 date=1320877056]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=91016.msg1110108#msg1110108 date=1320876567]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=91016.msg1110104#msg1110104 date=1320876268]
Has to put in more time to be considered with the top dogs. But he has done very well.
[/quote]
Okay Dove, then who are the top dogs in your opinion?
[/quote]Active, inactive, etc

I don't know much about the high school coaches in this area but I think there should be specific parameters such as longevity being one. I would certainly list the HJ coach, Kountze, PAM, hmmm?
[/quote]

Active coaches of course!
HJ-ok.
KOUNTZE-Ok.
PAM-Why? What has he accomplished?
Boutte Is not be coach there.
Who else?
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure Travis Williams has accomplished alot... this will be his first year at PAM... but him, joubert,  and Sutherland [b]are all ahead [/b] of English
[/quote]

I think most would agree that these are all good coaches, but what makes one better than the next? Silsbee, HJ, and Kountze have all been good at basketball for 20 years plus, right? How long have these coaches been the HC at these schools?

My argument is that English went in to Vidor and won! No disrespect, but Vidor (nor Nederland, PNG, LCM, BC, etc.) has never been considered a basketball powerhouse, and Vidor has not been good since he left. Not sure of any other coaches in the area who have turned around not just one, but two programs like he did. I'm not saying he is THE best, b/c there is no true way to compare coaches to say one is better than the next. However, I do believe he is amongst the top coaches in the area without a doubt!

[BADSANTA]

Joe Sigler and Ira Brooks will do just fine as well!