Coldspring-Oakhurst vs. West Orange-Stark

[#1stangfan]

[quote name="Chs96" post="1131883" timestamp="1322353085"]
No disrespect to Bullard but WOS was twice their size and had twice the depth. Bullard made some bad plays ( 2 high snaps in WOS red zone) To me that was the turning pt of the game  I was there and watch the game until mid 4th. [b]WOS has good size to match up with CS but they have a lack of speed on defense[/b]. Your running back is fast and can turn on the drop of a dime. I think his fumbles today werent his normal playing style. (JMO) But TRUST me CS defense isn't like anything you guys have seen. [b]I think BC and Lorena would have sent you guys home a long time ago[/b].  Hey its the playoffs and at this level anything can happen  I hope its a good game without any injuries. Good luck to both sides.

PS I know I will get dogged for this but JMO!!!
[/quote]

I don't recall WOS ever being called out for a lack of speed.  Maybe they didn't get a chance to showcase it tonight....but I think you will find more than a couple guys that can cover some ground.  I also have to disagree with you on BC sending us home.  No disrespect to our fellow district mate but we sent them to face yall first by winning district.  And I am glad you have that much respect for a 7-6 Lorena team.  You ought to really enjoy this 10-3 team!!! 

I know CS has a great defense and I think that will really be a challenge for the Mustangs.  However, doesn't the lack of offense concern CS fans a little?  WOS defense might not be as good as CS but they are stout.  I would bet the WOS defense will be the best that CS will have faced in the playoffs. 

[77]

I read where Garrett had 300 yds against Lorena how many total yds did the offense put up? I think the team with the least mistakes takes this one. Goodluck to both teams.

[#1stangfan]

Looks like 396 total

http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/scoreboard/?site=default&mkt=houston&Season=2011&tpl=Boxscore&ID=127319&Sport=1&TeamID=163&SearchType=Teams

[belle-mere]

Dang, Ryker is asking a lot of good questions that people in the know are not answering.  Ryker, the only one I feel competent enough to post on is the coaching edge.  I think Thompson is filling big shoes pretty well, but Barbay is more experienced and has State Championship game experience, which logically gives him the edge.  This Friday will tell.  I have to retrack to say that I was not overly impressed with Barbay's coaching at last year's title game, but Carthage was head and shoulders above CS last year. 

[Guest jnunn]

I researched the football blogs, the polls, stats and numbers from the games as well as preseason and now will shake them up and let them fall. Just to be on the safe side and not upsetting anyone on what I forecast for their team I will use the national “forecast error” model. The forecast error is the difference between the actual value and the forecast value for the corresponding period. “Et = Yt – Ft” where E is the forecast error at period t, Y is the actual value at period t, and F is the forecast for period t. This will give me the measurement of the aggregate error. Good, I knew you would understand. I used a much similar formula when I got married January 1st, 1962, 50 years this January.

I am not going to let my pride and support for the Trojans pry my mouth open and make some foolish statements that I would have to look back on as “stupid”. I think I will just stick to the stats of the game and what other medium football specialist think about the two teams and let you come to your own conclusions.

Lets start with the MaxPreps Ranking: More to come next posting.

Team             National State    3-A      Regional
Coldspring   309 40 9 5
West Orange Stark   1371 177 27 38
Head Coaches Record:  Coldspring Bryan Barbay 5yrs 40-14 WOS Cornel Thompson 1yr 10-3
Last team meeting: 11-13-09  Coldspring  41 WOS 36 

[skipper]

i will say this for coach thompson he has big shoes to fill yes he dose BUT this guy has been around the block a few times as a coach and one of the best DC in the state and dose have rings on his fingers like dan hooks has so he is not new to this at all  and on top of all this thompson  is a very good friend of the cs coach friends a long time.

[Gasilla]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1131868" timestamp="1322352547"]
[quote author=VNUPE link=topic=92269.msg1131856#msg1131856 date=1322352169]
Throughout the playoffs Coldspring has been surviving and WOS has been rolling it's opponents......and you guys think Coldspring is gonna turn it around this week?????
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Cs has played a lot better opponents in the playoffs than wos has. Just like wos played better opponents in the regular season and struggled while cs rolled.
[/quote]

I could have bought that until 5-5 Lorena took CS to the brink... The "stiffer competition" thing went out the door with that one...

Now, it doesn't matter. I'm a believer of 1 or 100, just win. But, you lost that angle when you almost lost to Lorena, sorry.

[Gasilla]

[quote name="Chs96" post="1131883" timestamp="1322353085"]
WOS has good size to match up with CS but [i][b]they have a lack of speed on defense[/b][/i]. [/quote]

LMAO

[stang4life]

[quote name="Gasilla" post="1132413" timestamp="1322364630"]
[quote author=Chs96 link=topic=92269.msg1131883#msg1131883 date=1322353085]
WOS has good size to match up with CS but [i][b]they have a lack of speed on defense[/b][/i]. [/quote]

LMAO
[/quote]

LMAO!  Seriously?  My only post on this thread:  Mustangs by at least 1 point! Love my Mustangs...112%!

[Gasilla]

[quote name="LuvMyTrojans" post="1132136" timestamp="1322358828"]
[quote author=cdoggett link=topic=92269.msg1132118#msg1132118 date=1322358362]
. I hope WOS travels a little better than they did today. Just an observation , I think the weather kept a lot of the good folks from Orange off the road. [/quote]

Actually I thought there seemed to be a lot more WOS in the stands today than on Bullards side. Come to think of it... I think 5-10% of those were from Coldspring. ;)
[/quote]

I agree, I thought we had a pretty good turn out. It'll be better next week.

[WOS92]

Coach T has coached WO-S in four state championship games, so he's got plenty of experience where that is concerned. As far as rankings go, they are pretty meaningless at this point in the year. I feel pretty darn good about our chances of beating CS.

[Gasilla]

I don't make predictions, but CS is a running team and that plays right into the strength of the WOS defense. The CS QB was 1-8 with 4 INT's last night, they appear to be one dimensional. This game will be about matchups and I think WOS may have an advantage there. On the flip side, Salter did have 3 INT's on the day himself, but he also still had 3 TD's and well over 100 yds passing, I'm sure. He has 1800 yds passing for the season. Both teams have great running games, but WOS is anything but one dimensional.

[falcolnfanatic]

[quote name="Gasilla" post="1132406" timestamp="1322364397"]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1131868#msg1131868 date=1322352547]
[quote author=VNUPE link=topic=92269.msg1131856#msg1131856 date=1322352169]
Throughout the playoffs Coldspring has been surviving and WOS has been rolling it's opponents......and you guys think Coldspring is gonna turn it around this week?????
[/quote]

Cs has played a lot better opponents in the playoffs than wos has. Just like wos played better opponents in the regular season and struggled while cs rolled.
[/quote]

I could have bought that until 5-5 Lorena took CS to the brink... The "stiffer competition" thing went out the door with that one...

Now, it doesn't matter. I'm a believer of 1 or 100, just win. But, you lost that angle when you almost lost to Lorena, sorry.
[/quote]

Almost lost? They were never even behind in the game, in fact I don't think cs has trailed at all durring the playoffs (maybe in the bellville game). Overall cs has played much tougher opponents in the playoffs than wos. Bc and bellville could beat everyone one of wos opponents and lorena would beat Cleveland and Columbus.

BTW lorena's 5 losses were to grandview (9-2), lampass (10-2), kennedale (8-4) la Vega (11-1), and Robinson (9-3). 4 of thier losses la vega, Robinson, kennedale, and lampass they lost by a combined 15 points. They were blownout by grandville in the 2nd game of the season. It's not like lorena was that bad of a team.

[Gasilla]

Bullard just knocked Robinson (who beat Lorena) out of the playoffs. We just beat Bullard by 32...

[Coldspring Trojan 82]

[quote name="Gasilla" post="1132406" timestamp="1322364397"]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1131868#msg1131868 date=1322352547]
[quote author=VNUPE link=topic=92269.msg1131856#msg1131856 date=1322352169]
Throughout the playoffs Coldspring has been surviving and WOS has been rolling it's opponents......and you guys think Coldspring is gonna turn it around this week?????
[/quote]

Cs has played a lot better opponents in the playoffs than wos has. Just like wos played better opponents in the regular season and struggled while cs rolled.
[/quote]

I could have bought that until 5-5 Lorena took CS to the brink... The "stiffer competition" thing went out the door with that one...

Now, it doesn't matter. I'm a believer of 1 or 100, just win. But, you lost that angle when you almost lost to Lorena, sorry.

I believe these tough games are good for Coldspring. They know they are beatible and will prepare for this game like it will be their last one. They have been in tough games before and make no mistake about it, this game will be a dog fight till the end.
[/quote] this CS team knows how to handle adversity and have been tested throughout the playoffs and that is how champions are made. No angle, just the truth.

[falcolnfanatic]

[quote name="Gasilla" post="1132455" timestamp="1322366489"]
Bullard just knocked Robinson (who beat Lorena) out of the playoffs. We just beat Bullard by 32...
[/quote]

Wow the old team A beat team B beat team C and we beat team A so were better. Give me a break lol.

[Gasilla]

[quote name="cdoggett" post="1132456" timestamp="1322366517"]
[quote author=Gasilla link=topic=92269.msg1132406#msg1132406 date=1322364397]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1131868#msg1131868 date=1322352547]
[quote author=VNUPE link=topic=92269.msg1131856#msg1131856 date=1322352169]
Throughout the playoffs Coldspring has been surviving and WOS has been rolling it's opponents......and you guys think Coldspring is gonna turn it around this week?????
[/quote]

Cs has played a lot better opponents in the playoffs than wos has. Just like wos played better opponents in the regular season and struggled while cs rolled.
[/quote]

I could have bought that until 5-5 Lorena took CS to the brink... The "stiffer competition" thing went out the door with that one...

Now, it doesn't matter. I'm a believer of 1 or 100, just win. But, you lost that angle when you almost lost to Lorena, sorry.

I believe these tough games are good for Coldspring. They know they are beatible and will prepare for this game like it will be their last one. They have been in tough games before and make no mistake about it, this game will be a dog fight till the end.
[/quote] this CS team knows how to handle adversity and have been tested throughout the playoffs and that is how champions are made. No angle, just the truth.
[/quote]

I can respect that. My posts are for those trying to make excuses for what we have done in the playoffs so far. Not trying to take anything away from CS.

[One4All]

[quote name="MEM" post="1131800" timestamp="1322350010"]
From what I'm hearing WOS lost the venue toss and the friday night toss....Now why wouldn't WOS want to play the game on friday night (like the good lord intended high school football in Texas to be played)? What are they scared of?? :)  CS vs WOS on a Sat afternoon?? No thanks...

Might as well get it all out on the table....for discussion sake!
[/quote]
Mann !!!!! This Game should' ve been played Sat. afternoon .......
Friday nights are for regular season game

[Gasilla]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1132462" timestamp="1322366772"]
[quote author=Gasilla link=topic=92269.msg1132455#msg1132455 date=1322366489]
Bullard just knocked Robinson (who beat Lorena) out of the playoffs. We just beat Bullard by 32...
[/quote]

Wow the old team A beat team B beat team C and we beat team A so were better. Give me a break lol.
[/quote]

Isn't that exactly what you did??? LMAO

You were justifying the quality of a team based on who they lost to. I just justified the quality of a team based on who they beat... :P

[#1stangfan]

[quote name="Trigger" post="1131946" timestamp="1322354489"]
[quote author=DoRightTrojanFan link=topic=92269.msg1131892#msg1131892 date=1322353275]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1131868#msg1131868 date=1322352547]
[quote author=VNUPE link=topic=92269.msg1131856#msg1131856 date=1322352169]
Throughout the playoffs Coldspring has been surviving and WOS has been rolling it's opponents......and you guys think Coldspring is gonna turn it around this week?????
[/quote]

Cs has played a lot better opponents in the playoffs than wos has. Just like wos played better opponents in the regular season and struggled while cs rolled.
[/quote]

I agree. This also gives WOS a slight advantage. IMO they are "rolling" at the right time.
[/quote]


[b]Umm, no disrespect, but we scored more points on BC & Cleveland than they did[/b].  They also lost to Giddings, who lost to Bellville in the 1st round. 

No excuses...both teams have had injuries, illness, etc.

Regardless of who either team has played, we have two very worthy teams.  Let's hope everybody is healthy come Friday night :)
[/quote][quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1132462#msg1132462 date=1322366772]
[quote author=Gasilla link=topic=92269.msg1132455#msg1132455 date=1322366489]
Bullard just knocked Robinson (who beat Lorena) out of the playoffs. We just beat Bullard by 32...
[/quote]

Wow the old team A beat team B beat team C and we beat team A so were better. Give me a break lol.
[/quote]

As you can see.....it has been used before except taken one step further...."we scored more on them than they did".  :)

[falcolnfanatic]

[quote name="#1stangfan" post="1132477" timestamp="1322367423"]
[quote author=Trigger link=topic=92269.msg1131946#msg1131946 date=1322354489]
[quote author=DoRightTrojanFan link=topic=92269.msg1131892#msg1131892 date=1322353275]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1131868#msg1131868 date=1322352547]
[quote author=VNUPE link=topic=92269.msg1131856#msg1131856 date=1322352169]
Throughout the playoffs Coldspring has been surviving and WOS has been rolling it's opponents......and you guys think Coldspring is gonna turn it around this week?????
[/quote]

Cs has played a lot better opponents in the playoffs than wos has. Just like wos played better opponents in the regular season and struggled while cs rolled.
[/quote]

I agree. This also gives WOS a slight advantage. IMO they are "rolling" at the right time.
[/quote]


[b]Umm, no disrespect, but we scored more points on BC & Cleveland than they did[/b].  They also lost to Giddings, who lost to Bellville in the 1st round. 

No excuses...both teams have had injuries, illness, etc.

Regardless of who either team has played, we have two very worthy teams.  Let's hope everybody is healthy come Friday night :)
[/quote][quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1132462#msg1132462 date=1322366772]
[quote author=Gasilla link=topic=92269.msg1132455#msg1132455 date=1322366489]
Bullard just knocked Robinson (who beat Lorena) out of the playoffs. We just beat Bullard by 32...
[/quote]

Wow the old team A beat team B beat team C and we beat team A so were better. Give me a break lol.
[/quote]

As you can see.....it has been used before except taken one step further...."we scored more on them than they did".  :)
[/quote]

I didn't post or agree with that. Especially since cs didn't score more points than wos did on Cleveland or bc.

[Coldspring Trojan 82]

[quote name="#1stangfan" post="1132477" timestamp="1322367423"]
[quote author=Trigger link=topic=92269.msg1131946#msg1131946 date=1322354489]
[quote author=DoRightTrojanFan link=topic=92269.msg1131892#msg1131892 date=1322353275]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1131868#msg1131868 date=1322352547]
[quote author=VNUPE link=topic=92269.msg1131856#msg1131856 date=1322352169]
Throughout the playoffs Coldspring has been surviving and WOS has been rolling it's opponents......and you guys think Coldspring is gonna turn it around this week?????
[/quote]

Cs has played a lot better opponents in the playoffs than wos has. Just like wos played better opponents in the regular season and struggled while cs rolled.
[/quote]

I agree. This also gives WOS a slight advantage. IMO they are "rolling" at the right time.
[/quote]


[b]Umm, no disrespect, but we scored more points on BC & Cleveland than they did[/b].  They also lost to Giddings, who lost to Bellville in the 1st round. 

No excuses...both teams have had injuries, illness, etc.

Regardless of who either team has played, we have two very worthy teams.  Let's hope everybody is healthy come Friday night :)
[/quote][quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1132462#msg1132462 date=1322366772]
[quote author=Gasilla link=topic=92269.msg1132455#msg1132455 date=1322366489]
Bullard just knocked Robinson (who beat Lorena) out of the playoffs. We just beat Bullard by 32...
[/quote]

Wow the old team A beat team B beat team C and we beat team A so were better. Give me a break lol.
[/quote]

As you can see.....it has been used before except taken one step further...."we scored more on them than they did".  :)
[/quote]

Dont make me bring up Orangefield... LOL I know yall were banged  up. Just stiring it up a little.  ;D

[#1stangfan]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1132499" timestamp="1322368544"]
[quote author=#1stangfan link=topic=92269.msg1132477#msg1132477 date=1322367423]
[quote author=Trigger link=topic=92269.msg1131946#msg1131946 date=1322354489]
[quote author=DoRightTrojanFan link=topic=92269.msg1131892#msg1131892 date=1322353275]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1131868#msg1131868 date=1322352547]
[quote author=VNUPE link=topic=92269.msg1131856#msg1131856 date=1322352169]
Throughout the playoffs Coldspring has been surviving and WOS has been rolling it's opponents......and you guys think Coldspring is gonna turn it around this week?????
[/quote]

Cs has played a lot better opponents in the playoffs than wos has. Just like wos played better opponents in the regular season and struggled while cs rolled.
[/quote]

I agree. This also gives WOS a slight advantage. IMO they are "rolling" at the right time.
[/quote]


[b]Umm, no disrespect, but we scored more points on BC & Cleveland than they did[/b].  They also lost to Giddings, who lost to Bellville in the 1st round. 

No excuses...both teams have had injuries, illness, etc.

Regardless of who either team has played, we have two very worthy teams.  Let's hope everybody is healthy come Friday night :)
[/quote][quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=92269.msg1132462#msg1132462 date=1322366772]
[quote author=Gasilla link=topic=92269.msg1132455#msg1132455 date=1322366489]
Bullard just knocked Robinson (who beat Lorena) out of the playoffs. We just beat Bullard by 32...
[/quote]

Wow the old team A beat team B beat team C and we beat team A so were better. Give me a break lol.
[/quote]

As you can see.....it has been used before except taken one step further...."we scored more on them than they did".  :)
[/quote]

I didn't post or agree with that. Especially since cs didn't score more points than wos did on Cleveland or bc.
[/quote]

I know buddy....I was just trying to be funny. 

And Mr. Doggett....you are right...The OF argument would be lopsided!!

[kicker]

I am going to say this, let's have a great INJURY free game no matter who wins. Remember, the winner represents our Region and even our area. We need whoever it will be to be at full strength in the semi's. We both have respect for each other and know we are both great teams. Let's remember that and play the game of the year that everyone has been waiting for.  Let's do this. 8)

[Coldspring Trojan 82]

[quote name="kicker" post="1132504" timestamp="1322368751"]
I am going to say this, let's have a great INJURY free game no matter who wins. Remember, the winner represents our Region and even our area. We need whoever it will be to be at full strength in the semi's. We both have respect for each other and know we are both great teams. Let's remember that and play the game of the year that everyone has been waiting for.  Let's do this. 8)
[/quote]

Well said! Hurry up Friday!