Craig Stump accepts Atascocita job

[bigred360]

[quote name="uandme08" post="1149733" timestamp="1324506934"]
"Shall I comment on how Ozen is coached, really?  I won't even go there.  Let's just say their actions speak louder than words."

Go there if you must but I won't allow you or anybody else to place blame on all the kids for the mistakes that a select few have made. I have busted my tail and quite a few others to raise mine to be the fine young men that they are. You along with anybody else that feels that Ozen has nothing but criminals and/or thugs (as they have been called on several threads) are wrong. One bad decision mars the whole school but where is the media and bashers when Ozen accomplishes something good? I can't speak for how anybody else raises their child but I for one know what I do in my household. Neither do I feel that the coaches condoned any of the bad decisions made and yes things could have been handled differently but you or nobody else can prove to me[b] that all the kids at Ozen are "bad". [/b] And I will applaud my own post LOL
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C'mon man, who has said all the kids at Ozen are "bad"? I think you went a tad overboard with that statement. I'm sure the vast majority of kids at Ozen are great.

It is the school district people or maybe I should say I am talking about. No way am I speaking about kids!!!

[SgtRey]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1149752" timestamp="1324509971"]
Basically, if ANYTHING happens, just blame Dr. Thomas and be done with it.  uandme08
, I wish the Kids at Ozen the best of luck.  I happen to know several Ozen kids and they are great kids.  (not thugs or hoolums).  I'll be there to root them on come graduation this Spring.
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A couple of my old kids are on this team...and would welcome them in my home anytime.  The Coach at Ozen, tons of respect...we talk once a week....YES....when u have a problem at BK, u ask for the manager...if the manager can't solve the problem...you go to the district manager/general manager...if the problem isn't solved, you keep moving up the chain of command....AND YES, the ROOM FOR EXCUSES AND LACK OF ACTION GETS THINNER......coming from a business owner, I deal with this everyday...IT IS MY JOB TO MAKE SURE MY CUSTOMERS ARE HAPPY....THAT IS NUMBER 1...WITH OUT NUMBER 1, START LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO DO...in this case, some people in BISD don't feel we're getting all 300K dollars worth out of the SUP...this isn't HISD were you have 50 schools...just 11-12...with great principals....in support...

NOW....the Carol A Butch Thomas Educational Support Center....
but we won't support athletics....lets take out the word [color=red]SUPPORT[/color].....
The education learned thru athletics, those who have played will understand....athletics teaches accountability, team work, helps builds work ethic/character, and instills some discipline....lets take out the word [color=red]EDUCATION[/color]

you see what's left....(The Carol A Butch Thomas Center)..pritty selfish if you ask me....if you're gonna put it on I-10 make sure u bring it...yes take the money from the King Ranchs and the 10  Polaris at the Stadium, the BISD PD(BMT PD DID FINE AT DURLEY/JAG Stadium)....AND DUMP IT IN OUR ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT FOR TOP OF THE LINE WEIGHT ROOMS...Indoor facilities (yes indoor athletic complexes)....just sayin....300K reasons to make this happen....took south park down when the majority vote wanted it to be renovated...why not do it again, but I bet it would be supported by the public....we are cavemen Athletically compared to Spring ISD...who's been to the University of Westfield.... ;)...or the University of Dekaney? ;)

[BMTSoulja1]

I agree with you there.  The name of the stadium is not the best name as stated.  But me and a lot of others are not going to cry over spilled milk.

Now, you make mention of what can be done with the money.  All of the things (the things that you bring mention and the things that we have) are optional.  Those are things we can do without.  An indoor facility?  Why not just practice outside?  A top of the line weight room?  Will a NORMAL weight room be sufficient?  I agree with you.  We cold do without the BISD police and we can use regular trucks instead of the King Ranch.  And who said we were in competition with Spring or any other place?  We need to do what it takes to make us successful.  Chain of comand to move a scaffold?  All I have to say about that is WOW.  Just like you've stated, you moved it in 2 minutes, right?

[SgtRey]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1149780" timestamp="1324513089"]
I agree with you there.  The name of the stadium is not the best name as stated.  But me and a lot of others are not going to cry over spilled milk.

Now, you make mention of what can be done with the money.  All of the things (the things that you bring mention and the things that we have) are optional.  Those are things we can do without.  An indoor facility?  Why not just practice outside?  A top of the line weight room?  [b]Will a NORMAL weight room be sufficient? [/b] I agree with you.  We cold do without the BISD police and we can use regular trucks instead of the King Ranch.  And who said we were in competition with Spring or any other place?  We need to do what it takes to make us successful.  [b]Chain of comand to move a scaffold?[/b]  All I have to say about that is WOW.  Just like you've stated, you moved it in 2 minutes, right?
[/quote]Normal....do you know what normal is these days?...Why couldn't we compete with Spring?...Katy?...You tell me why not....then I will show you "normal"....I know everyone will be aboard this....
Do you want your kids to have a better life?...or just a "normal" life....When I coach, I strive to build champions...nothing less...you get out, what u put in...common sense...

As for the scaffold...a rule of thumb for you...if you take care of the little things, the bigger things will fall in place...I moved it in 15 minutes...give $300k as a Superintendent...I'd also make moves in 15 minutes... ;)

[BMTSoulja1]

It a blasted weight room.  You'll get the same workout from 'regular' weights than top of the line weights.  A 50 lb. dumbbell is a 50 lb. dumbbell , no matter how you slice it.  I said nothing about Life and all that other hooblah you're mentioning. 

You moved a scaffold.  Here is the $300K check my friend!  ;D

[SgtRey]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1149794" timestamp="1324514006"]
It a blasted weight room.  You'll get the same workout from 'regular' weights than top of the line weights.  A 50 lb. dumbbell is a 50 lb. dumbbell , no matter how you slice it.  I said nothing about Life and all that other hooblah you're mentioning. 

You moved a scaffold.  Here is the $300K check my friend!  ;D
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Like I said....WE ARE CAVEMEN when it comes to athletics...

[SgtRey]

Still dodged my questions:

[b]Normal....do you know what normal is these days?...Why couldn't we compete with Spring?...Katy?...You tell me why not....then I will show you "normal"....I know everyone will be aboard this....[/b]

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="SgtRey" post="1149798" timestamp="1324514537"]
Still dodged my questions:

[b]Normal....do you know what normal is these days?...Why couldn't we compete with Spring?...Katy?...You tell me why not....then I will show you "normal"....I know everyone will be aboard this....[/b]
[/quote]The thing is, since WHEN did this become a competition?  Who said that we were trying to compete with ANYONE?  That's our problem now.  Lets get some things done that will benifit our kids best.  We have Beaumont kids, not Spring or Katy kids. 

Normal as far as what, athletics?  It's so many to name.  Look around you, man.  This is why schools and facilities are upgrading now because they were 'normal'.  West Brook was in the middle of a transition untill the unfortunate incident.  The plan was to have an upgraded facility for West Brook to be taken from the 'normal' status.

[One4All]

word!!!!

[J.T. Williams]

Soulja, I was born and raised in Beaumont, Texas and currently reside in Katy. Your comments are some of the most ignorant statements that I have ever heard. I guees the kids from Central deserve a coach who plays with 10 men on the field because you are not in the business of competing with anyone. God please bless our kids.

[BMTSoulja1]

Who said NYTHING about Central?  Since you mentioned it, I'll entertain it.  If you would go back and do a little reseach, (something I see that you DON'T take pride in doing), I've BEEN called for the Central staff's head on a plate.  It sucked big time.  But what the heck does our Coach have to do with what me and Sgt. Rey was discussing?

Ignarant post?  Guy, almost ALL your posts are ignarant and you've been called out on that foolishness before.

[J.T. Williams]

Soulja, first learn how to spell ignorant. Another Carol Thomas tool.

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="J.T. Williams" post="1149823" timestamp="1324518311"]
Soulja, first learn how to spell ignorant. Another Carol Thomas tool.
[/quote]Resorting to spell checking basically shows that you're waiving the white flag on this one because you realize how foolish you sound.  ;) ;) ;)

[Rockin A]

When you're #1 in the state, you are held to a much higher standard, right?  Who's the highest paid superintendent in the state?  Enough said as to why thomas gets the blame with anything that goes wrong within BISD.  Lower his salary to the appropriate level, and the intense attacks (which only seem to empower him) will decrease.  If taxpayers are paying for the most expensive superintendent in the state, then they want the best superintendent in the state.  That is clearly NOT happening in BISD.  IMO, all of the negative BISD press only reminds taxpayers that they're getting the raw end of the deal, and thus, they use, for example, the WB fieldhouse to vent.  Rid the district of the most costly budget item (thomas), and I believe you'll see folks begin to put things in perspective.

[bigred360]

One person I agree with and I don't always is SgtRey. I think he is 100% on target with his comments and he follows HS football in Beaumont pretty close as well as other topics regarding BISD.

[Yeoj]

Good bye Stump and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!  He leaves a legacy of underachieving teams. He won games off of talent, never his coaching ability. He got too much credit for wins and never enough credit for the loses. Atascocita will be looking for a new coach in three years when they fire Stump for losing.

[Rockin A]

Keep in mind that a superintendent only does what the school board allows him/her to do.  Last time I checked, superintendents are appointed and have their contracts renewed by elected school board members. 

[Yeoj]

Where was all this up roar when Mallett was running the district in the ground? The white coach leaves and some how it's the black superintendent's fault. I wonder would Dr. Thomas' salary be brought up on every possible topic if he was a white man? I tend to think no! You have people from Vidor chiming in about BISD when their school district had layoffs, forced retirements, and unrenewed contracts. Go figure.

[PNGFan]

You think the kids at Lake Travis, Katy, Euless Trinity, Allen...etc have just a couple bar bells, a jump rope and nothing more?? Its called dedication and willingness to spend $$$ to build a top notch program. Are the tax payers in BISD willing to spend the $$$$$ Those kids would run through a concrete wall if there coach told them too.

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1149835" timestamp="1324521123"]
Good bye Stump and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!  He leaves a legacy of underachieving teams. He won games off of talent, never his coaching ability. He got too much credit for wins and never enough credit for the loses. Atascocita will be looking for a new coach in three years when they fire Stump for losing.
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but you can't have it both ways. Either you give credit to the coach when they win and blame him when they lose or give the kids credit for the wins/losses. If the talent was so good (as u claim), then don't you think the team could overcome bad coaching? So does the Ciabalo Steele team who beat PAM by 20+ points have a good coach or is it pure talent? A TEAM can have all of the talent in the world (see Miami Heat), yet not win. It's not always the coaches fault, but many on this board LOVE to point the finger at the coach. I'm not just talking about this thread, but I see it all of the time (not just football coaches). It's kinda like the Monday morning QB! All of you who come on this board and talk negatively about coaches, I have a question for you: What is keeping you from applying for this opening to see what it takes to be a coach? Why did you not get into coaching in the first place if you think you could do a better job?

[bigred360]

Maybe a degree and teaching certificate? BTW, I think Coach Stump is a great HS coach so I'm not talking about coaches. I'm just answering a question about why people not in the profession can't apply for a coaching job.

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="bigred360" post="1149845" timestamp="1324522646"]
Maybe a degree and teaching certificate?
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I hear ya BigRed! My point is that it's easy to sit back and criticize a coach, but until one coaches a team, they haven't a clue of the dynamics of the position.

[Yeoj]

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1149843" timestamp="1324522409"]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=93336.msg1149835#msg1149835 date=1324521123]
Good bye Stump and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!  He leaves a legacy of underachieving teams. He won games off of talent, never his coaching ability. He got too much credit for wins and never enough credit for the loses. Atascocita will be looking for a new coach in three years when they fire Stump for losing.
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but you can't have it both ways. Either you give credit to the coach when they win and blame him when they lose or give the kids credit for the wins/losses. If the talent was so good (as u claim), then don't you think the team could overcome bad coaching? So does the Ciabalo Steele team who beat PAM by 20+ points have a good coach or is it pure talent? A TEAM can have all of the talent in the world (see Miami Heat), yet not win. It's not always the coaches fault, but many on this board LOVE to point the finger at the coach. I'm not just talking about this thread, but I see it all of the time (not just football coaches). It's kinda like the Monday morning QB! All of you who come on this board and talk negatively about coaches, I have a question for you: What is keeping you from applying for this opening to see what it takes to be a coach? Why did you not get into coaching in the first place if you think you could do a better job?
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No talent can not always overcome bad coaching. I didn't get into coaching because it doesn't pay enough. Exxonmobil is paying me six figures to be an operator. And yes I believe I could do as well as he did, if not better.

[Guest tigersvoice]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1149848" timestamp="1324522979"]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=93336.msg1149843#msg1149843 date=1324522409]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=93336.msg1149835#msg1149835 date=1324521123]
Good bye Stump and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!  He leaves a legacy of underachieving teams. He won games off of talent, never his coaching ability. He got too much credit for wins and never enough credit for the loses. Atascocita will be looking for a new coach in three years when they fire Stump for losing.
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but you can't have it both ways. Either you give credit to the coach when they win and blame him when they lose or give the kids credit for the wins/losses. If the talent was so good (as u claim), then don't you think the team could overcome bad coaching? So does the Ciabalo Steele team who beat PAM by 20+ points have a good coach or is it pure talent? A TEAM can have all of the talent in the world (see Miami Heat), yet not win. It's not always the coaches fault, but many on this board LOVE to point the finger at the coach. I'm not just talking about this thread, but I see it all of the time (not just football coaches). It's kinda like the Monday morning QB! All of you who come on this board and talk negatively about coaches, I have a question for you: What is keeping you from applying for this opening to see what it takes to be a coach? Why did you not get into coaching in the first place if you think you could do a better job?
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No talent can not always overcome bad coaching. I didn't get into coaching because it doesn't pay enough. Exxonmobil is paying me six figures to be an operator. And yes I believe I could do as well as he did, if not better.
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But, you chose the $'s didn't you - so you will really never know, will you?.  There you are sitting down to your console - it's an eazy night and you are going to level these comments at a Conference 5A Coach in the
state of Texas. C'mon Man - comparing a refinery operator to a coach at the 5A level - got to fill your day with something, I suppose. ::)

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="Yeoj" post="1149848" timestamp="1324522979"]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=93336.msg1149843#msg1149843 date=1324522409]
[quote author=Yeoj link=topic=93336.msg1149835#msg1149835 date=1324521123]
Good bye Stump and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!  He leaves a legacy of underachieving teams. He won games off of talent, never his coaching ability. He got too much credit for wins and never enough credit for the loses. Atascocita will be looking for a new coach in three years when they fire Stump for losing.
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but you can't have it both ways. Either you give credit to the coach when they win and blame him when they lose or give the kids credit for the wins/losses. If the talent was so good (as u claim), then don't you think the team could overcome bad coaching? So does the Ciabalo Steele team who beat PAM by 20+ points
have a good coach or is it pure talent? A TEAM can have all of the talent in the world (see Miami Heat), yet not win. It's not always the coaches fault, but many on this board LOVE to point the finger at the coach. I'm not just talking about this thread, but I see it all of the time (not just football coaches). It's kinda like the Monday morning QB! All of you who come on this board and talk negatively about coaches, I have a question for you: What is keeping you from applying for this opening to see what it takes to be a coach? Why did you not get into coaching in the first place if you think you could do a better job?
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No talent can not always overcome bad coaching. I didn't get into coaching because it doesn't pay enough. Exxonmobil is paying me six figures to be an operator. And yes I believe I could do as well as he did, if not better.
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Any job openings out there at ExxonMobile?  ;D
These coaches dedicate a HUGE chunk of their lives to coaching. Their hours are comparable to a physician, but the pay is not near as much. They provide so much to a kid's life which follows them throughout their lives. Winning is important, no doubt, but the coach can't do it all. We should all appreciate the dedication they give to our kids. I have a lot of friends who are coaches, and they barely spend time with their families b/c of the 100s of hours they work every week. I'm sure Coach Stump could have done something else with his career and made more money like you and me. But he chose the coaching profession, and I respect him for that. It takes a special person to be a HS coach.