Ned gets road win at Vidor-Article PA News

[sleepy]

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1166305" timestamp="1327598237"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166272#msg1166272 date=1327594851]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166268#msg1166268 date=1327594515]
Dickie V- you are in way over your head. You have about five different debates going at one time. Remember that this is about the 27 game district winning streak that Nederland currently has. You are bringing up all of these other years, which have no relevance to the debate at hand. If we stick to the facts, it suggests that Nederland would still have their win streak alive.
[/quote]

It is VERY relevant, because some of you act as if you have forgotten what Boutte has done here! NO...Nederland would not have won 27 games in a row had he still been at Ozen...NO WAY.. 8)
[/quote]

According to the facts presented here today, there is no evidence suggesting that Nederland's 27 game winning streak would not be what it is today regardless if Boutte was the coach or not.
In the past 2 seasons during this streak, Ozen has not had the talents of:

K. Perkins
Keenan Young
Brandon Chappel
Willie Jefferson
DeCarlos Franks

Since Ozen has been 'down' over the past two season, like they were in
2004, Nederland would still have a 27 game district winning streak.

I am not disregarding what Boutte did during his time, it was amazing. Nobody on this thread has said differently. But during his ONE down year, VIDOR swept them 3-0.

For the 4th time, the kind of talent Ozen has now was just the same in
2004, when Coach E's team went 3-0 against Boutte. The same would
happen with this Ozen team.
[/quote]

Those are facts!

[Guest basketball25]

your forgetting about micheal young and Dabney!!!!

Ozen was very big back in the day wow!!!!

Perkins- 6ft11
keenan Young-6ft6
Dabney- 6ft7

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="baseball25" post="1166324" timestamp="1327599735"]
your forgetting about micheal young and Dabney!!!!

Ozen was very big back in the day wow!!!!

Perkins- 6ft11
keenan Young-6ft6
Dabney- 6ft7
[/quote]
Young was included on the list.  :)

[Guest basketball25]

I am talking about the PG micheal young!!

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="baseball25" post="1166331" timestamp="1327600226"]
I am talking about the PG micheal young!!
[/quote]
That would be Mike Thomas.[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166305#msg1166305 date=1327598237]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166272#msg1166272 date=1327594851]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166268#msg1166268 date=1327594515]
Dickie V- you are in way over your head. You have about five different debates going at one time. Remember that this is about the 27 game district winning streak that Nederland currently has. You are bringing up all of these other years, which have no relevance to the debate at hand. If we stick to the facts, it suggests that Nederland would still have their win streak alive.
[/quote]

It is VERY relevant, because some of you act as if you have forgotten what Boutte has done here! NO...Nederland would not have won 27 games in a row had he still been at Ozen...NO WAY.. 8)
[/quote]

According to the facts presented here today, there is no evidence suggesting that Nederland's 27 game winning streak would not be what it is today regardless if Boutte was the coach or not.
In the past 2 seasons during this streak, Ozen has not had the talents of:

K. Perkins
Keenan Young
Brandon Chappel
Willie Jefferson
DeCarlos Franks

Since Ozen has been 'down' over the past two season, like they were in
2004, Nederland would still have a 27 game district winning streak.

I am not disregarding what Boutte did during his time, it was amazing. Nobody on this thread has said differently. But during his ONE down year, VIDOR swept them 3-0.

For the 4th time, the kind of talent Ozen has now was just the same in
2004, when Coach E's team went 3-0 against Boutte. The same would
happen with this Ozen team.
[/quote]
There is nothing factual about this statement other than there not being any "marquee" type players..Coach E's Vidor team was SECOND PLACE BEHIND OZEN IN THE STANDINGS TOO in 2004...Why is that FACT so hard for you to digest...COACH E's Vidor team LOST IN ROUND TWO OF THE PLAYOFFS...OZEN WENT TO THE REGIONALS AND LOST TO EVENTUAL CHAMPION HOUSTON JONES IN A "DOWN YEAR"...REPEAT...NEDERLAND WOULD NOT HAVE WON 27 GAMES IN A ROW IN DISTRICT IF ANDRE BOUTTE WAS STILL COACHING AT OZEN....Thats just it. Case closed...(because I am tired of talking about it!) 8)

[Guest basketball25]

yeah my bad!!!! can believe I was saying young lol!! Mike Thomas was good

[Honest Abe]

I presented facts all morning long, yet you continue to ignore them-FACT!

[baddog]

27 and counting!!!!!!! Way to go Dogs!!!!

[Guest basketball25]

Coach E is a great Coach no doubt about it, Coach Boutte is a legend!!!!

[baddog]

......and the 80s Celtics would mop the floor with today's team. Too bad they aren't around. How about the streak of the 50s-60s Celtics?

Keep it going Dogs. Don't listen to the naysayers. When people have to reach in their hip pocket to produce a team that could beat you, you know you are doing it right.

[Honest Abe]

WHY ARE U SCREAMING AT ME?? U don't win debates by trying to bully Ur opposition.

Since you're done with me, how about finish your conversation with Speechless?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1166342" timestamp="1327601200"]
[quote author=baseball25 link=topic=94873.msg1166331#msg1166331 date=1327600226]
I am talking about the PG micheal young!!
[/quote]
That would be Mike Thomas.[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166305#msg1166305 date=1327598237]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166272#msg1166272 date=1327594851]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166268#msg1166268 date=1327594515]
Dickie V- you are in way over your head. You have about five different debates going at one time. Remember that this is about the 27 game district winning streak that Nederland currently has. You are bringing up all of these other years, which have no relevance to the debate at hand. If we stick to the facts, it suggests that Nederland would still have their win streak alive.
[/quote]

It is VERY relevant, because some of you act as if you have forgotten what Boutte has done here! NO...Nederland would not have won 27 games in a row had he still been at Ozen...NO WAY.. 8)
[/quote]

According to the facts presented here today, there is no evidence suggesting that Nederland's 27 game winning streak would not be what it is today regardless if Boutte was the coach or not.
In the past 2 seasons during this streak, Ozen has not had the talents of:

K. Perkins
Keenan Young
Brandon Chappel
Willie Jefferson
DeCarlos Franks

Since Ozen has been 'down' over the past two season, like they were in
2004, Nederland would still have a 27 game district winning streak.

I am not disregarding what Boutte did during his time, it was amazing. Nobody on this thread has said differently. But during his ONE down year, VIDOR swept them 3-0.

For the 4th time, the kind of talent Ozen has now was just the same in
2004, when Coach E's team went 3-0 against Boutte. The same would
happen with this Ozen team.
[/quote]
There is nothing factual about this statement other than there not being any "marquee" type players..Coach E's Vidor team was SECOND PLACE BEHIND OZEN IN THE STANDINGS TOO in 2004...Why is that FACT so hard for you to digest...COACH E's Vidor team LOST IN ROUND TWO OF THE PLAYOFFS...OZEN WENT TO THE REGIONALS AND LOST TO EVENTUAL CHAMPION HOUSTON JONES IN A "DOWN YEAR"...REPEAT...NEDERLAND WOULD NOT HAVE WON 27 GAMES IN A ROW IN DISTRICT IF ANDRE BOUTTE WAS STILL COACHING AT OZEN....Thats just it. Case closed...(because I am tired of talking about it!) 8)
[/quote]

[Guest basketball25]

Thats the best NBA team ever who cares about the 80's celtics lol

1995-96 Chicago Bulls  72 - 10  (.878) 
Featuring Superman (Michael Jordan), Batman (Scottie Pippen) and Rodman (Dennis Rodman), Bulls shattered record for most wins in a regular season...Won 87 of 100 games, including the playoffs...Ron Harper, Luc Longley, Toni Kukoc and Steve Kerr rounded out core of driven team that featured triangle offense...Started season an amazing 41-3...Jordan's first full season since returning from retirement. 

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1166347" timestamp="1327601461"]
I presented facts all morning long, yet you continue to ignore them-FACT!
[/quote]

What facts? 9 State appearances, 3 titles, 17 district titles, 12 regional tourney appearances, .085 winning percentage....Men lie, women lie, NUMBERS DON'T... 8)

[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166354#msg1166354 date=1327601999]
WHY ARE U SCREAMING AT ME?? U don't win debates by trying to bully Ur opposition.

Since you're done with me, how about finish your conversation with Speechless?

[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166342#msg1166342 date=1327601200]
[quote author=baseball25 link=topic=94873.msg1166331#msg1166331 date=1327600226]
I am talking about the PG micheal young!!
[/quote]
That would be Mike Thomas.[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166305#msg1166305 date=1327598237]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166272#msg1166272 date=1327594851]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166268#msg1166268 date=1327594515]
Dickie V- you are in way over your head. You have about five different debates going at one time. Remember that this is about the 27 game district winning streak that Nederland currently has. You are bringing up all of these other years, which have no relevance to the debate at hand. If we stick to the facts, it suggests that Nederland would still have their win streak alive.
[/quote]

It is VERY relevant, because some of you act as if you have forgotten what Boutte has done here! NO...Nederland would not have won 27 games in a row had he still been at Ozen...NO WAY.. 8)
[/quote]

According to the facts presented here today, there is no evidence suggesting that Nederland's 27 game winning streak would not be what it is today regardless if Boutte was the coach or not.
In the past 2 seasons during this streak, Ozen has not had the talents of:

K. Perkins
Keenan Young
Brandon Chappel
Willie Jefferson
DeCarlos Franks

Since Ozen has been 'down' over the past two season, like they were in
2004, Nederland would still have a 27 game district winning streak.

I am not disregarding what Boutte did during his time, it was amazing. Nobody on this thread has said differently. But during his ONE down year, VIDOR swept them 3-0.

For the 4th time, the kind of talent Ozen has now was just the same in
2004, when Coach E's team went 3-0 against Boutte. The same would
happen with this Ozen team.
[/quote]
There is nothing factual about this statement other than there not being any "marquee" type players..Coach E's Vidor team was SECOND PLACE BEHIND OZEN IN THE STANDINGS TOO in 2004...Why is that FACT so hard for you to digest...COACH E's Vidor team LOST IN ROUND TWO OF THE PLAYOFFS...OZEN WENT TO THE REGIONALS AND LOST TO EVENTUAL CHAMPION HOUSTON JONES IN A "DOWN YEAR"...REPEAT...NEDERLAND WOULD NOT HAVE WON 27 GAMES IN A ROW IN DISTRICT IF ANDRE BOUTTE WAS STILL COACHING AT OZEN....Thats just it. Case closed...(because I am tired of talking about it!) 8)
[/quote]
[/quote]

Not screaming...typing in BOLD so maybe you will understand it better!! :D

[Honest Abe]

U may want to read the forum rules. Rule #6 states no bold typing. bold typing is viewed as screaming.

How about finish your conversation with Speechless?

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="baddog" post="1166353" timestamp="1327601940"]
......and the 80s Celtics would mop the floor with today's team. Too bad they aren't around. How about the streak of the 50s-60s Celtics?

Keep it going Dogs. Don't listen to the naysayers. When people have to reach in their hip pocket to produce a team that could beat you, you know you are doing it right.
[/quote]

I don't think you guys have your reading glasses on here! 8)...I have been saying all along that Coach English has done a magnificent job there...That THIS Ozen team in 2012 is more talented from top to bottom than Nederland, and so is Central...Which FURTHER makes this run even MORE impressive..I have said this a THOUSAND TIMES...I am not talking about PAST teams, I am speaking on ONE FACTOR...IF the head coach at OZEN remained the same as it was when the school opened, NEDERLAND WOULD NOT HAVE ANY 5 GAME DISTRICT WIN STREAK, let alone a 27 game streak...THATS JUST WHAT IT IS, GUYS.

[Honest Abe]

Okay, fine. Now let's finish what Speechless was alluding towards.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1166366" timestamp="1327603083"]
Okay, fine. Now let's finish what Speechless was alluding towards.
[/quote]
He's alluding toward having talent...which is a cop out, and is what you guys are trying to insinuate is the reason for Boutte's success over the years, and thats just not fair, nor is it accurate.

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1166342" timestamp="1327601200"]
[quote author=baseball25 link=topic=94873.msg1166331#msg1166331 date=1327600226]
I am talking about the PG micheal young!!
[/quote]
That would be Mike Thomas.[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166305#msg1166305 date=1327598237]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166272#msg1166272 date=1327594851]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166268#msg1166268 date=1327594515]
Dickie V- you are in way over your head. You have about five different debates going at one time. Remember that this is about the 27 game district winning streak that Nederland currently has. You are bringing up all of these other years, which have no relevance to the debate at hand. If we stick to the facts, it suggests that Nederland would still have their win streak alive.
[/quote]

It is VERY relevant, because some of you act as if you have forgotten what Boutte has done here! NO...Nederland would not have won 27 games in a row had he still been at Ozen...NO WAY.. 8)
[/quote]

According to the facts presented here today, there is no evidence suggesting that Nederland's 27 game winning streak would not be what it is today regardless if Boutte was the coach or not.
In the past 2 seasons during this streak, Ozen has not had the talents of:

K. Perkins
Keenan Young
Brandon Chappel
Willie Jefferson
DeCarlos Franks

Since Ozen has been 'down' over the past two season, like they were in
2004, Nederland would still have a 27 game district winning streak.

I am not disregarding what Boutte did during his time, it was amazing. Nobody on this thread has said differently. But during his ONE down year, VIDOR swept them 3-0.

For the 4th time, the kind of talent Ozen has now was just the same in
2004, when Coach E's team went 3-0 against Boutte. The same would
happen with this Ozen team.
[/quote]
There is nothing factual about this statement other than there not being any "marquee" type players..Coach E's Vidor team was SECOND PLACE BEHIND OZEN IN THE STANDINGS TOO in 2004...Why is that FACT so hard for you to digest...COACH E's Vidor team LOST IN ROUND TWO OF THE PLAYOFFS...OZEN WENT TO THE REGIONALS AND LOST TO EVENTUAL CHAMPION HOUSTON JONES IN A "DOWN YEAR"...REPEAT...NEDERLAND WOULD NOT HAVE WON 27 GAMES IN A ROW IN DISTRICT IF ANDRE BOUTTE WAS STILL COACHING AT OZEN....Thats just it. Case closed...(because I am tired of talking about it!) 8)
[/quote]
Yes Ozen went further in the playoffs and yes they won district that year but they won district because they beat everyone else expect vidor (i think). Yes Vidor lost other games but the fact is that every time Boutte lined up against English he lost. That is a fact that you can't deny DV.

[Guest speechless]

I want to know what else it takes to be in Austin on a regular basis.

I am developing a list as an inquiring mind.

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1166368" timestamp="1327603174"]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166366#msg1166366 date=1327603083]
Okay, fine. Now let's finish what Speechless was alluding towards.
[/quote]
He's alluding toward having talent...which is a cop out, and is what you guys are trying to insinuate is the reason for Boutte's success over the years, and thats just not fair, nor is it accurate.
[/quote]

Talent levels have plenty to do with his success( or anybody else's for that matter) and you are insulting everyones intelligence to suggest otherwise.  If you are correct, then he would have had similar results at Bridge City?  I don't recall any amazing accomplishments at Kountze.

[Guest basketball25]

I guess phil jackson isn't great because he had jordan,kobe,and shaq on his teams!!!  you have to have good talent no matter what to win the whole thing!! A coach has to get his teams to believe in what he is trying to do and thats why boutte was successful yes he had great talent but you have to have those players buy into his system each and every yr and thats something he did and thats hard for a coach to do each and every yr!!!

[stevenash]

There are plenty of schools where the kids "buy into the system" that never make it out of district.  Do you believe that Jackson would have had the same success without the aforementioned players?

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="vp32" post="1166370" timestamp="1327603261"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166342#msg1166342 date=1327601200]
[quote author=baseball25 link=topic=94873.msg1166331#msg1166331 date=1327600226]
I am talking about the PG micheal young!!
[/quote]
That would be Mike Thomas.[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166305#msg1166305 date=1327598237]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166272#msg1166272 date=1327594851]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166268#msg1166268 date=1327594515]
Dickie V- you are in way over your head. You have about five different debates going at one time. Remember that this is about the 27 game district winning streak that Nederland currently has. You are bringing up all of these other years, which have no relevance to the debate at hand. If we stick to the facts, it suggests that Nederland would still have their win streak alive.
[/quote]

It is VERY relevant, because some of you act as if you have forgotten what Boutte has done here! NO...Nederland would not have won 27 games in a row had he still been at Ozen...NO WAY.. 8)
[/quote]

According to the facts presented here today, there is no evidence suggesting that Nederland's 27 game winning streak would not be what it is today regardless if Boutte was the coach or not.
In the past 2 seasons during this streak, Ozen has not had the talents of:

K. Perkins
Keenan Young
Brandon Chappel
Willie Jefferson
DeCarlos Franks

Since Ozen has been 'down' over the past two season, like they were in
2004, Nederland would still have a 27 game district winning streak.

I am not disregarding what Boutte did during his time, it was amazing. Nobody on this thread has said differently. But during his ONE down year, VIDOR swept them 3-0.

For the 4th time, the kind of talent Ozen has now was just the same in
2004, when Coach E's team went 3-0 against Boutte. The same would
happen with this Ozen team.
[/quote]
There is nothing factual about this statement other than there not being any "marquee" type players..Coach E's Vidor team was SECOND PLACE BEHIND OZEN IN THE STANDINGS TOO in 2004...Why is that FACT so hard for you to digest...COACH E's Vidor team LOST IN ROUND TWO OF THE PLAYOFFS...OZEN WENT TO THE REGIONALS AND LOST TO EVENTUAL CHAMPION HOUSTON JONES IN A "DOWN YEAR"...REPEAT...NEDERLAND WOULD NOT HAVE WON 27 GAMES IN A ROW IN DISTRICT IF ANDRE BOUTTE WAS STILL COACHING AT OZEN....Thats just it. Case closed...(because I am tired of talking about it!) 8)
[/quote]
Yes Ozen went further in the playoffs and yes they won district that year but they won district because they beat everyone else expect vidor (i think). Yes Vidor lost other games but the fact is that every time Boutte lined up against English he lost. That is a fact that you can't deny DV.
[/quote]
3 wins out of more than 25....Richard Hamilton (Florida St.) has beaten Coach K this year...should we give Coach Hamilton the nod for Coach of the Year? Makes no sense, huh? EXACTLY

[quote author=speechless link=topic=94873.msg1166371#msg1166371 date=1327603461]
I want to know what else it takes to be in Austin on a regular basis.

I am developing a list as an inquiring mind.


[/quote]

Its not for everyone.....The game is to be sold, not told.... 8)

[quote author=stevenash link=topic=94873.msg1166374#msg1166374 date=1327603583]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94873.msg1166368#msg1166368 date=1327603174]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=94873.msg1166366#msg1166366 date=1327603083]
Okay, fine. Now let's finish what Speechless was alluding towards.
[/quote]
He's alluding toward having talent...which is a cop out, and is what you guys are trying to insinuate is the reason for Boutte's success over the years, and thats just not fair, nor is it accurate.
[/quote]

Talent levels have plenty to do with his success( or anybody else's for that matter) and you are insulting everyones intelligence to suggest otherwise.  If you are correct, then he would have had similar results at Bridge City?  I don't recall any amazing accomplishments at Kountze.
[/quote]

He spent 3 seasons at Kountze....are you kidding me? Was 22 and right out of college...He still won district though, since you guys think thats such a lofty accomplishment these days.... ::)...Took the Lincoln job, and WENT TO STATE....hmmmm...seems like a pattern here... 8)

[stevenash]

Lincoln program EXTREMELY well established prior to his arrival.

[baddog]

[quote name="baseball25" post="1166356" timestamp="1327602217"]
Thats the best NBA team ever who cares about the 80's celtics lol

1995-96 Chicago Bulls  72 - 10  (.878) 
Featuring Superman (Michael Jordan), Batman (Scottie Pippen) and Rodman (Dennis Rodman), Bulls shattered record for most wins in a regular season...Won 87 of 100 games, including the playoffs...Ron Harper, Luc Longley, Toni Kukoc and Steve Kerr rounded out core of driven team that featured triangle offense...Started season an amazing 41-3...Jordan's first full season since returning from retirement.
[/quote]

Man, I was simply trying to make a point. When teams are having success now, one can almost always pull up a more successful team from the past and argue.