Chuck Langston for West Brook football Job

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[quote name="WeedBegone" post="1188242" timestamp="1330482547"]
Ok your a newbie so we can give you some benefit of the doubt.  But why should we believe you folks--ya'll probably dont even have a Wallmart.  So your economy relies totally on imports and then you run them off.
[/quote]

We do not have a Walmart, and never will. We would not let them come into the town and run our local businesses out of business, though they have tried many times to move into Trinity.

So we therefore do [b]not [/b]rely on imports like someone who shops at Walmart does - after all Walmart goods come from China. We have our own local businesses to support, and in the end that supports local community and the USA quite a bit more than those idiots who shop at Walmart and ship all their $$ to China like good little sheeple. Of course that [b]isn't[/b] the topic at hand is it?

Newbie? I've probably got kids older than you, with better manners to boot. Why believe us? Let's see...I dunno...we have firsthand experience of this guy working for our school system...unlike [b]you[/b]

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[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1188741" timestamp="1330530915"]
[quote author=wbfan link=topic=95320.msg1188675#msg1188675 date=1330526565]
Dance puppets dance!! Mwahahahahahahaha  >:D
[/quote]What does THAT mean?
[/quote]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sock+puppet

[WeedBegone]

[quote name="Trinitard" post="1189128" timestamp="1330556448"]
[quote author=WeedBegone link=topic=95320.msg1188242#msg1188242 date=1330482547]
Ok your a newbie so we can give you some benefit of the doubt.  But why should we believe you folks--ya'll probably dont even have a Wallmart.  So your economy relies totally on imports and then you run them off.
[/quote]

We do not have a Walmart, and never will. We would not let them come into the town and run our local businesses out of business, though they have tried many times to move into Trinity.

So we therefore do [b]not [/b]rely on imports like someone who shops at Walmart does - after all Walmart goods come from China. We have our own local businesses to support, and in the end that supports local community and the USA quite a bit more than those idiots who shop at Walmart and ship all their $$ to China like good little sheeple. Of course that [b]isn't[/b] the topic at hand is it?

Newbie? I've probably got kids older than you, with better manners to boot. Why believe us? Let's see...I dunno...we have firsthand experience of this guy working for our school system...unlike [b]you[/b]
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I am so sorry that I struck a nerve.  But you question my manners for posting in your response trying to trash the future of a man who is trying to get back on track for his career.  So you call that better manners to boot. 
I cant buy that and in the business world hiring and firing is something best done in a confidential setting. 
BTW (which is by the way--for those who do not want to google)....anyway, Where do your locals shop?  Do many take a day and drive to another community and purchase Chinese merchandise? 

[coachacola]

Rumor is Chuck Langston will hired as director of football operations at Lamar.

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="Trinitard" post="1189131" timestamp="1330556699"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95320.msg1188741#msg1188741 date=1330530915]
[quote author=wbfan link=topic=95320.msg1188675#msg1188675 date=1330526565]
Dance puppets dance!! Mwahahahahahahaha  >:D
[/quote]What does THAT mean?
[/quote]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sock+puppet
[/quote]I didn't ask for the Urbandictionary definition, but rather the definition in HIS context.  In other words, I requested for HIS answer.

[besbolbenbedygud]

Soulja, don't bother  ;). He's a troll. [b]True 'people' of Trinity[/b] that took the time to speak TO the man, instead of speak ABOUT him, knew where he stood as well as the truth.  Again, zero acusations or infractions by the UIL.  How come trolls think that if THEY type it it makes it TRUE. Lol.              The 'trolls' of trinity,.......well you see the pointless, timeless readeric this ONE spews. 

Have a great season coach Flanagan. I pray for your success and happiness at BISD!!

Troll evolution   
Home then.......cave, under bridge
Home today........  Childhood bedroom, Mama's basement

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="besbolbenbedygud" post="1189382" timestamp="1330609589"]
Soulja, don't bother  ;). He's a troll. [b]True 'people' of Trinity[/b] that took the time to speak TO the man, instead of speak ABOUT him, knew where he stood as well as the truth.  Again, zero acusations or infractions by the UIL.  How come trolls think that if THEY type it it makes it TRUE. Lol.              The 'trolls' of trinity,.......well you see the pointless, timeless readeric this ONE spews. 

Have a great season coach Flanagan. I pray for your success and happiness at BISD!!

Troll evolution   
Home then.......cave, under bridge
Home today........  Childhood bedroom, Mama's basement
[/quote]Ha  ha!

[WeedBegone]

[quote name="Trinitard" post="1189128" timestamp="1330556448"]
[quote author=WeedBegone link=topic=95320.msg1188242#msg1188242 date=1330482547]
Ok your a newbie so we can give you some benefit of the doubt.  But why should we believe you folks--ya'll probably dont even have a Wallmart.  So your economy relies totally on imports and then you run them off.
[/quote]

We do not have a Walmart, and never will. We would not let them come into the town and run our local businesses out of business, though they have tried many times to move into Trinity.

So we therefore do [b]not [/b]rely on imports like someone who shops at Walmart does - after all Walmart goods come from China. We have our own local businesses to support, and in the end that supports local community and the USA quite a bit more than those idiots who shop at Walmart and ship all their $$ to China like good little sheeple. Of course that [b]isn't[/b] the topic at hand is it?

Newbie? I've probably got kids older than you, with better manners to boot. Why believe us? Let's see...I dunno...we have firsthand experience of this guy working for our school system...unlike [b]you[/b]
[/quote]

I take it you dont have Chinese restaurants in Trinity also.  Wow--must take a long time to order take out.
So Sorry we not have Chinese food here.  ::)

[Trinitard]

[quote name="besbolbenbedygud" post="1189382" timestamp="1330609589"]
Soulja, don't bother  ;). He's a troll. [b]True 'people' of Trinity[/b] that took the time to speak TO the man, instead of speak ABOUT him, knew where he stood as well as the truth.  Again, zero acusations or infractions by the UIL.  How come trolls think that if THEY type it it makes it TRUE. Lol.              The 'trolls' of trinity,.......well you see the pointless, timeless readeric this ONE spews.
Home today........  Childhood bedroom, Mama's basement
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Seems like when someone comes along with facts which disagree with your little clique they must be a troll. Ridiculous.

Zero infractions or accusations? I know you can type into Google or else you wouldn't be online, so since you are too lazy or too biased to do so, here's a few tidbits for you:

[quote]Central Oklahoma president Roger W. Webb has announced that the university's football coach Chuck Langston, has been fired after five years at the helm of the program, amid NCAA investigation.

"This was an extremely difficult decision for me because I have enjoyed my relationship with Chuck Langston," Webb said. "However, for the future of the program, I believe a change must be made."

The football program faces several NCAA rules violations, which all occurred during Langston's tenure at UCO.

On Nov. 2 [b]UCO agreed with several rules violations that the NCAA had found during their year long investigatio[/b]n into the football program. UCO came to the conclusion that they had failed to exercise institutional control and monitoring in the administration of its own football program, which are considered [b]major NCAA rules violations.[/b][/quote]

UCO itself agreed that there were violations, and stated so

http://www.edmondsun.com/sports/x519223530/Langston-out-at-UCO


[quote]Chuck Langston's short tenure as football coach at the University of Central Oklahoma has been marked by cheating of every conceivable sort. The NCAA finally got wind of it, and punishment has now been handed down: Two weeks with no working. At full salary.

There is one thing he'll be required to do. "He will be required to study NCAA rules and regulations," says a campus spokesman.

Local Oklahoma news outlets assure their readers that despite this glitch the team's pumped. Ready to roll.
And after all it's amazing how quickly a serious punishment can clear things up. "I am extremely proud of all of our coaches and athletic programs," says the university's president. "And I have every confidence that the football program is now on the right track." Coach Langston will be back to running things before you know it; and, having refreshed his knowledge of the rules and regulations, he'll direct a nice clean program from here on in.[/QUOTE]

University Diaries, 30 Aug 2007
http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/university_diaries/coach_langston_cast_down_to_the_bowels_of_hell


Speaking of players, Ryan O'Hara, who played under Langston as QB at UCO:

[quote]Ryan O’Hara:  Chuck Langston (U. Central Oklahoma) was not much of an influence.  He was fired my senior year for NCAA violations.  Mike Stoops at U. Arizona was a great deal of help because I learned a lot about defenses from him.[/quote]

[url=http://thefootballexpert.com/interviews/ryanoharainterview080001.html]http://thefootballexpert.com/interviews/ryanoharainterview080001.html[/url]

While the guy may well be likable, and talk a pretty fair "good-ole-boy talk", unfortunately that doesn't mean much when you get down to the b&w, real, and on paper figures.

His last 3 seasons with UCO resulted in less than 6 wins per year.

[quote] his final three teams failed to win more than five games, going 3-7, 5-6 and 4-6. [/quote]
http://www.edmondsun.com/x519223534/UCO-says-adios-to-coach/print

His record at Groveton was the same - less than 5 wins per year, followed by his time here in Trinity, where he again had less than 5 wins per year. So "get his career back on track"?? He hasn't had it on track in more than 8 years now! The last time the man won more than 6 games in season was back in 2004! EIGHT YEARS without more than 6 wins per season. Freshman players have graduated with [b]doctorates [/b]since the last time this guy won more than 6 games in a season.

Speaking of lack of manners, yes there was rudeness - when the first thing said was "why should we believe you folks--ya'll probably dont even have a Wallmart. (sic)" that is rudeness, ignorance, and trolling in itself.

Lovely example of the ignorant trolling, with even a bit of racism thrown in:

[quote author=WeedBegone link=topic=95320.msg1189522#msg1189522 date=1330617741]
I take it you dont have Chinese restaurants in Trinity also.  Wow--must take a long time to order take out.
So Sorry we not have Chinese food here.  ::)
[/quote]

Your mother must be so so proud!

Don't like the facts and figures? Great, must be wonderful inside your unrealistic thoughts. Want to get rude about it? Kiss off.


There is one good thing about his going to Lamar - it makes for great odds on what college team will finish the season with less than 6 wins, so if you have some money to lay down that would be a good bet. Unfortunately I don't think the bookmakers will be taking bets on that one, since they wouldn't want to lose their money.

[WeedBegone]

[quote name="Trinitard" post="1189958" timestamp="1330648784"]
[quote author=besbolbenbedygud link=topic=95320.msg1189382#msg1189382 date=1330609589]
Soulja, don't bother  ;). He's a troll. [b]True 'people' of Trinity[/b] that took the time to speak TO the man, instead of speak ABOUT him, knew where he stood as well as the truth.  Again, zero acusations or infractions by the UIL.  How come trolls think that if THEY type it it makes it TRUE. Lol.              The 'trolls' of trinity,.......well you see the pointless, timeless readeric this ONE spews.
Home today........  Childhood bedroom, Mama's basement
[/quote]

Seems like when someone comes along with facts which disagree with your little clique they must be a troll. Ridiculous.

Zero infractions or accusations? I know you can type into Google or else you wouldn't be online, so since you are too lazy or too biased to do so, here's a few tidbits for you:

[quote]Central Oklahoma president Roger W. Webb has announced that the university's football coach Chuck Langston, has been fired after five years at the helm of the program, amid NCAA investigation.

"This was an extremely difficult decision for me because I have enjoyed my relationship with Chuck Langston," Webb said. "However, for the future of the program, I believe a change must be made."

The football program faces several NCAA rules violations, which all occurred during Langston's tenure at UCO.

On Nov. 2 [b]UCO agreed with several rules violations that the NCAA had found during their year long investigatio[/b]n into the football program. UCO came to the conclusion that they had failed to exercise institutional control and monitoring in the administration of its own football program, which are considered [b]major NCAA rules violations.[/b][/quote]

UCO itself agreed that there were violations, and stated so

http://www.edmondsun.com/sports/x519223530/Langston-out-at-UCO


[quote]Chuck Langston's short tenure as football coach at the University of Central Oklahoma has been marked by cheating of every conceivable sort. The NCAA finally got wind of it, and punishment has now been handed down: Two weeks with no working. At full salary.

There is one thing he'll be required to do. "He will be required to study NCAA rules and regulations," says a campus spokesman.

Local Oklahoma news outlets assure their readers that despite this glitch the team's pumped. Ready to roll.
And after all it's amazing how quickly a serious punishment can clear things up. "I am extremely proud of all of our coaches and athletic programs," says the university's president. "And I have every confidence that the football program is now on the right track." Coach Langston will be back to running things before you know it; and, having refreshed his knowledge of the rules and regulations, he'll direct a nice clean program from here on in.[/QUOTE]

University Diaries, 30 Aug 2007
http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/university_diaries/coach_langston_cast_down_to_the_bowels_of_hell


Speaking of players, Ryan O'Hara, who played under Langston as QB at UCO:

[quote]Ryan O’Hara:  Chuck Langston (U. Central Oklahoma) was not much of an influence.  He was fired my senior year for NCAA violations.  Mike Stoops at U. Arizona was a great deal of help because I learned a lot about defenses from him.[/quote]

[url=http://thefootballexpert.com/interviews/ryanoharainterview080001.html]http://thefootballexpert.com/interviews/ryanoharainterview080001.html[/url]

While the guy may well be likable, and talk a pretty fair "good-ole-boy talk", unfortunately that doesn't mean much when you get down to the b&w, real, and on paper figures.

His last 3 seasons with UCO resulted in less than 6 wins per year.

[quote] his final three teams failed to win more than five games, going 3-7, 5-6 and 4-6. [/quote]
http://www.edmondsun.com/x519223534/UCO-says-adios-to-coach/print

His record at Groveton was the same - less than 5 wins per year, followed by his time here in Trinity, where he again had less than 5 wins per year. So "get his career back on track"?? He hasn't had it on track in more than 8 years now! The last time the man won more than 6 games in season was back in 2004! EIGHT YEARS without more than 6 wins per season. Freshman players have graduated with [b]doctorates [/b]since the last time this guy won more than 6 games in a season.

Speaking of lack of manners, yes there was rudeness - when the first thing said was "why should we believe you folks--ya'll probably dont even have a Wallmart. (sic)" that is rudeness, ignorance, and trolling in itself.

Lovely example of the ignorant trolling, with even a bit of racism thrown in:

[quote author=WeedBegone link=topic=95320.msg1189522#msg1189522 date=1330617741]
I take it you dont have Chinese restaurants in Trinity also.  Wow--must take a long time to order take out.
So Sorry we not have Chinese food here.  ::)
[/quote]

Your mother must be so so proud!

Don't like the facts and figures? Great, must be wonderful inside your unrealistic thoughts. Want to get rude about it? Kiss off.


There is one good thing about his going to Lamar - it makes for great odds on what college team will finish the season with less than 6 wins, so if you have some money to lay down that would be a good bet. Unfortunately I don't think the bookmakers will be taking bets on that one, since they wouldn't want to lose their money.
[/quote]

You got me --I am busted.  My mother is 91 years old and she is happy that i take her to church and the grocery store amoung other things.  She had me when she was in her thirties.  Your perception along with your insight and intelligence amazes me.  Why are you so angry with Langston, he is no longer a part of your life?  I saw him when he played here in Beaumont and his work ethic as a student athelete was quite impressive.  Forgive him and let it go.  Seriously -

BTW--please dont tell me to kiss off it ...it ... it... lacks the touch of class I expect from my elders. 

[Trinitard]

[quote name="WeedBegone" post="1190007" timestamp="1330652329"]Why are you so angry with Langston, he is no longer a part of your life?  I saw him when he played here in Beaumont and his work ethic as a student athelete was quite impressive.  Forgive him and let it go.  Seriously [/quote]

I don't hate the guy. As I said he talks a good talk, and makes himself extremely likable. However there are 2 major faults with him.

1) He doesn't play by the rules, and this has gotten him in trouble more than once, and gotten the schools he worked for in trouble.

2) He seems to have used a couple of local high schools here (Groveton is the seat of Trinity County, a few towns to the NE) as temporary stepping stones to just tread water and collect a check while continuously seriously looking for something bigger, never with it in mind to actually concentrate on the school at hand and it's best interests, while at the same time training competitors athletes a couple of towns over as well.

It would be one thing if the guy had come in and been temporary from the get-go, and did what he could with what he had available until he had to go, but the underlying intent was deceptive from the start, the training of competition was a bit undermining at best, and as at least one of those athletes was the son of a school superintendent of the competing local school it was a bit of a large conflict of interest, and the local coaches who are "permanent" and who could have been in place on a permanent basis from the start ended up out of the job and sitting on the sidelines until after he came and went.

As I said he is likable, friendly and talks well, and his assistants have always seemed to worship the ground he walks on. But, while I won't go so far as to say he is or is not an outright cheater he doesn't seem to be a "clean" act either, and ended up wasting time, money and energy for more than one school system. He has some people talking about him like he is the best thing since sliced bread, but his actual record of both sports wins and rule violations disagrees with that.

I'm sorry I rubbed you the wrong way, but when someone calls for locals who actually know and experienced Langston firsthand to say something, and then complain and insult when they do, then I understandably take offense at it.

Now maybe a college level position was what he has been aiming at all along, since he got fired from UCO. Wouldn't surprise me if it was. Maybe he will straighten up and play by the rules and do well. Don't know and only time will tell.

[besbolbenbedygud]

What difference do you not see in the NCAA and the UIL.    Third time now so pay attention ....... Zero UIL infractions or acusations.  And the 'numerous' infractions on the college level happened once ALL at the SAME time .....


Dude.............look....... Just cause you didn't get the job the first time ....... Lol. And now still couldn't get it the second time (with out Langston in the mix ) don't mean you have to live the rest of your live worried about someone else's....

There are probably some good doctors you could talk to...... But I'm sure you would have to go outside of trinity for that

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[quote name="besbolbenbedygud" post="1190078" timestamp="1330655425"]
What difference do you not see in the NCAA and the UIL.    Third time now so pay attention ....... Zero UIL infractions or acusations.  And the 'numerous' infractions on the college level happened once ALL at the SAME time .....


Dude.............look....... Just cause you didn't get the job the first time ....... Lol. And now still couldn't get it the second time (with out Langston in the mix ) don't mean you have to live the rest of your live worried about someone else's....

There are probably some good doctors you could talk to...... But I'm sure you would have to go outside of trinity for that
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More insults and trolling. Typical around here it seems.

Get the job? Sorry I'm not in the sports profession at all, and never have been. Like I said though, Trinity is a town of 2,500 people, so you could say we've met, repeatedly.

UIL and NCAA are two different things, yes I know. In the world of college sports, though, rule violations that can result in getting a coach fired, as in this case, are really a comparison of various types of apples, not a case of apples and oranges.

Did he violate rules and policies? yes. Did get get fired for it? yes. Did the college itself admit he violated rules and policies and was fired for it? Yes. Trying to change that, and the obvious documented end to his UCO employment for violations, to different wording like "UIL" is pointless and irrelevant.

"He broke those rules but not these"? Seriously? The man broke the rules, got caught, got fired. Then took a demotion down to High School ball, broke more rules, got caught, moved on. End of story.