Nederland is going to win state..

[lionbaseball]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1176689" timestamp="1329088372"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176675#msg1176675 date=1329086811]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=95851.msg1176672#msg1176672 date=1329086663]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176671#msg1176671 date=1329086540]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176668#msg1176668 date=1329086279]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176658#msg1176658 date=1329085043]
[quote author=jake94 link=topic=95851.msg1176635#msg1176635 date=1329081720]
Dickie,

Nederland split with Ozen and Central and looks as though they will finish atop the district tied with Central and a game ahead of your Panthers. If they are so bad, then what does that say about Ozen who finished second behind them?
[/quote]
It says that although the kids are still there, the program is headed toward the toilet, by splitting with Nederland!  8)

[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176637#msg1176637 date=1329082192]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176628#msg1176628 date=1329081035]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176626#msg1176626 date=1329080663]
Nederland may not win state this year but I believe what the program has achieved over the last few years is a greater accomplishment than winning a title at an established program where basketball is the only athletic priority.
[/quote]
No sir... ::)....Not even close....
[/quote]

Just a matter of perspective" sir".  And, in this case, my opinion is 100% every bit as valid as yours.  Your lengthy basketball resume has no extensive turnarounds in it and therefore you dont have as much insight in that area as you perceive yourself as having.  A shining example is last year when Tom Thibodeau was selected Coach of The Year with Doug Collins and Greg Popovich behind him.  Nowhere in the voting was Eric Spoelstra and/or Rick Carlisle who fought it out in the NBA finals.
[/quote]


I guess you and I, although both brilliant, have different perspectives on the subject... ;) 8)
[/quote]

Perhaps you have forgotten that I am familiar (from close up) with state championships both from a players and coaches perspective.

Regarding your toilet comment- I guess that also applies to Ozen splitting with Livingston?
[/quote]

Been there, done that, a time or two, and yes...the Livingston split is a part of that toilet conclusion... 8)
[/quote]
Ozen the toiler dwellers.... has a certain ring to it.
[/quote]

They will be OK in due time, and things will be back to normal.....its an easy fix... ::) ::)
[/quote]

Let me get this straight.  Nederlands split with Central and Ozen equals doomsday for Nederland, but Ozens split with Livingston is not?  How convenient.
[/quote]Im not a very qualified poster in this matter but I can say that although I do agree with DV that 20-4A is prolly not the best district in the region I wouldn't say programs are going to the dumps. As you can tell I'm a baseball guy not basketball but let me try to put it into perspective last year in baseball Livingston swept PN-G but PN-G is obviously a top notch program in our area. My point is anything can happen in high school sports each kid and each team plays with pride and strives for success and upsets can happen.

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1176689" timestamp="1329088372"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176675#msg1176675 date=1329086811]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=95851.msg1176672#msg1176672 date=1329086663]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176671#msg1176671 date=1329086540]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176668#msg1176668 date=1329086279]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176658#msg1176658 date=1329085043]
[quote author=jake94 link=topic=95851.msg1176635#msg1176635 date=1329081720]
Dickie,

Nederland split with Ozen and Central and looks as though they will finish atop the district tied with Central and a game ahead of your Panthers. If they are so bad, then what does that say about Ozen who finished second behind them?
[/quote]
It says that although the kids are still there, the program is headed toward the toilet, by splitting with Nederland!  8)

[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176637#msg1176637 date=1329082192]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176628#msg1176628 date=1329081035]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176626#msg1176626 date=1329080663]
Nederland may not win state this year but I believe what the program has achieved over the last few years is a greater accomplishment than winning a title at an established program where basketball is the only athletic priority.
[/quote]
No sir... ::)....Not even close....
[/quote]

Just a matter of perspective" sir".  And, in this case, my opinion is 100% every bit as valid as yours.  Your lengthy basketball resume has no extensive turnarounds in it and therefore you dont have as much insight in that area as you perceive yourself as having.  A shining example is last year when Tom Thibodeau was selected Coach of The Year with Doug Collins and Greg Popovich behind him.  Nowhere in the voting was Eric Spoelstra and/or Rick Carlisle who fought it out in the NBA finals.
[/quote]


I guess you and I, although both brilliant, have different perspectives on the subject... ;) 8)
[/quote]

Perhaps you have forgotten that I am familiar (from close up) with state championships both from a players and coaches perspective.

Regarding your toilet comment- I guess that also applies to Ozen splitting with Livingston?
[/quote]

Been there, done that, a time or two, and yes...the Livingston split is a part of that toilet conclusion... 8)
[/quote]
Ozen the toiler dwellers.... has a certain ring to it.
[/quote]

They will be OK in due time, and things will be back to normal.....its an easy fix... ::) ::)
[/quote]

Let me get this straight.  Nederlands split with Central and Ozen equals doomsday for Nederland, but Ozens split with Livingston is not?  [b]How convenient.[/b]
[/quote]
I know right.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1176689" timestamp="1329088372"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176675#msg1176675 date=1329086811]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=95851.msg1176672#msg1176672 date=1329086663]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176671#msg1176671 date=1329086540]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176668#msg1176668 date=1329086279]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176658#msg1176658 date=1329085043]
[quote author=jake94 link=topic=95851.msg1176635#msg1176635 date=1329081720]
Dickie,

Nederland split with Ozen and Central and looks as though they will finish atop the district tied with Central and a game ahead of your Panthers. If they are so bad, then what does that say about Ozen who finished second behind them?
[/quote]
It says that although the kids are still there, the program is headed toward the toilet, by splitting with Nederland!  8)

[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176637#msg1176637 date=1329082192]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176628#msg1176628 date=1329081035]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176626#msg1176626 date=1329080663]
Nederland may not win state this year but I believe what the program has achieved over the last few years is a greater accomplishment than winning a title at an established program where basketball is the only athletic priority.
[/quote]
No sir... ::)....Not even close....
[/quote]

Just a matter of perspective" sir".  And, in this case, my opinion is 100% every bit as valid as yours.  Your lengthy basketball resume has no extensive turnarounds in it and therefore you dont have as much insight in that area as you perceive yourself as having.  A shining example is last year when Tom Thibodeau was selected Coach of The Year with Doug Collins and Greg Popovich behind him.  Nowhere in the voting was Eric Spoelstra and/or Rick Carlisle who fought it out in the NBA finals.
[/quote]


I guess you and I, although both brilliant, have different perspectives on the subject... ;) 8)
[/quote]

Perhaps you have forgotten that I am familiar (from close up) with state championships both from a players and coaches perspective.

Regarding your toilet comment- I guess that also applies to Ozen splitting with Livingston?
[/quote]

Been there, done that, a time or two, and yes...the Livingston split is a part of that toilet conclusion... 8)
[/quote]
Ozen the toiler dwellers.... has a certain ring to it.
[/quote]

They will be OK in due time, and things will be back to normal.....its an easy fix... ::) ::)
[/quote]

Let me get this straight.  Nederlands split with Central and Ozen equals doomsday for Nederland, but Ozens split with Livingston is not?  How convenient.
[/quote]
(HUGE SIGH).... ::) ::)...I expected Nederland to lose both second round match ups to Central and Ozen...They are more talented and it was no real shock...The fact that they are battling with Nederland, who is not a traditional basketball power, tells me that there has been a shift in power in 20-4A, although the talent pool at Central and Ozen is STILL greater than it is at Nederland..It should not be that way, but Nederland has a great coach, who has built that program from the ashes...The kids in BISD should be given that same chance...again... ::)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176700" timestamp="1329089787"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176689#msg1176689 date=1329088372]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176675#msg1176675 date=1329086811]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=95851.msg1176672#msg1176672 date=1329086663]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176671#msg1176671 date=1329086540]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176668#msg1176668 date=1329086279]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176658#msg1176658 date=1329085043]
[quote author=jake94 link=topic=95851.msg1176635#msg1176635 date=1329081720]
Dickie,

Nederland split with Ozen and Central and looks as though they will finish atop the district tied with Central and a game ahead of your Panthers. If they are so bad, then what does that say about Ozen who finished second behind them?
[/quote]
It says that although the kids are still there, the program is headed toward the toilet, by splitting with Nederland!  8)

[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176637#msg1176637 date=1329082192]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176628#msg1176628 date=1329081035]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176626#msg1176626 date=1329080663]
Nederland may not win state this year but I believe what the program has achieved over the last few years is a greater accomplishment than winning a title at an established program where basketball is the only athletic priority.
[/quote]
No sir... ::)....Not even close....
[/quote]

Just a matter of perspective" sir".  And, in this case, my opinion is 100% every bit as valid as yours.  Your lengthy basketball resume has no extensive turnarounds in it and therefore you dont have as much insight in that area as you perceive yourself as having.  A shining example is last year when Tom Thibodeau was selected Coach of The Year with Doug Collins and Greg Popovich behind him.  Nowhere in the voting was Eric Spoelstra and/or Rick Carlisle who fought it out in the NBA finals.
[/quote]


I guess you and I, although both brilliant, have different perspectives on the subject... ;) 8)
[/quote]

Perhaps you have forgotten that I am familiar (from close up) with state championships both from a players and coaches perspective.

Regarding your toilet comment- I guess that also applies to Ozen splitting with Livingston?
[/quote]

Been there, done that, a time or two, and yes...the Livingston split is a part of that toilet conclusion... 8)
[/quote]
Ozen the toiler dwellers.... has a certain ring to it.
[/quote]

They will be OK in due time, and things will be back to normal.....its an easy fix... ::) ::)
[/quote]

Let me get this straight.  Nederlands split with Central and Ozen equals doomsday for Nederland, but Ozens split with Livingston is not?  How convenient.
[/quote]
(HUGE SIGH).... ::) ::)...I expected Nederland to lose both second round match ups to Central and Ozen...They are more talented and it was no real shock...The fact that they are battling with Nederland, who is not a traditional basketball power, tells me that there has been a shift in power in 20-4A, although the talent pool at Central and Ozen is STILL greater than it is at Nederland..It should not be that way, but Nederland has a great coach, who has built that program from the ashes...The kids in BISD should be given that same chance...again... ::)
[/quote]

(an even bigger sigh)  Translation=  The Nederland wins over Central and Ozen earlier in the year mean nothing but the Central and Ozen wins over Nederland put things in "proper perspective"  ( of course, according to the DV "proper perspective" theory) Ozen and Central should have won BOTH games with Nederland because they have so much more talent. Perhaps too much emphasis is put on "talent".  If the talent is so superior, both Beaumont Schools should have won both Nederland games by double digit margins.  And I S T I L L do not have a satisfactory explanation why the excessive talent lost to Livingston by a double digit margin and escaped LCM in overtime.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1176706" timestamp="1329091022"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176700#msg1176700 date=1329089787]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176689#msg1176689 date=1329088372]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176675#msg1176675 date=1329086811]
[quote author=vp32 link=topic=95851.msg1176672#msg1176672 date=1329086663]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176671#msg1176671 date=1329086540]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176668#msg1176668 date=1329086279]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176658#msg1176658 date=1329085043]
[quote author=jake94 link=topic=95851.msg1176635#msg1176635 date=1329081720]
Dickie,

Nederland split with Ozen and Central and looks as though they will finish atop the district tied with Central and a game ahead of your Panthers. If they are so bad, then what does that say about Ozen who finished second behind them?
[/quote]
It says that although the kids are still there, the program is headed toward the toilet, by splitting with Nederland!  8)

[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176637#msg1176637 date=1329082192]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176628#msg1176628 date=1329081035]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176626#msg1176626 date=1329080663]
Nederland may not win state this year but I believe what the program has achieved over the last few years is a greater accomplishment than winning a title at an established program where basketball is the only athletic priority.
[/quote]
No sir... ::)....Not even close....
[/quote]

Just a matter of perspective" sir".  And, in this case, my opinion is 100% every bit as valid as yours.  Your lengthy basketball resume has no extensive turnarounds in it and therefore you dont have as much insight in that area as you perceive yourself as having.  A shining example is last year when Tom Thibodeau was selected Coach of The Year with Doug Collins and Greg Popovich behind him.  Nowhere in the voting was Eric Spoelstra and/or Rick Carlisle who fought it out in the NBA finals.
[/quote]


I guess you and I, although both brilliant, have different perspectives on the subject... ;) 8)
[/quote]

Perhaps you have forgotten that I am familiar (from close up) with state championships both from a players and coaches perspective.

Regarding your toilet comment- I guess that also applies to Ozen splitting with Livingston?
[/quote]

Been there, done that, a time or two, and yes...the Livingston split is a part of that toilet conclusion... 8)
[/quote]
Ozen the toiler dwellers.... has a certain ring to it.
[/quote]

They will be OK in due time, and things will be back to normal.....its an easy fix... ::) ::)
[/quote]

Let me get this straight.  Nederlands split with Central and Ozen equals doomsday for Nederland, but Ozens split with Livingston is not?  How convenient.
[/quote]
(HUGE SIGH).... ::) ::)...I expected Nederland to lose both second round match ups to Central and Ozen...They are more talented and it was no real shock...The fact that they are battling with Nederland, who is not a traditional basketball power, tells me that there has been a shift in power in 20-4A, although the talent pool at Central and Ozen is STILL greater than it is at Nederland..It should not be that way, but Nederland has a great coach, who has built that program from the ashes...The kids in BISD should be given that same chance...again... ::)
[/quote]

(an even bigger sigh)  Translation=  The Nederland wins over Central and Ozen earlier in the year mean nothing but the Central and Ozen wins over Nederland put things in "proper perspective"  ( of course, according to the DV "proper perspective" theory) Ozen and Central should have won BOTH games with Nederland because they have so much more talent. Perhaps too much emphasis is put on "talent".  If the talent is so superior, both Beaumont Schools should have won both Nederland games by double digit margins.  And I S T I L L do not have a satisfactory explanation why the excessive talent lost to Livingston by a double digit margin and escaped LCM in overtime.
[/quote]

If you don't know, I am not at liberty to spell it out on here... ::)...Is it not coincidental that if the talent pool is still greater in BISD, but, other variables have changed, what would YOU conclude to be the primary issue? Its really not rocket science.. ::)....Can you tell me who the two most talented teams are in 21-3A? Ok...obviously...So if one of the less talented squads put together a two year streak of district wins, would you not start to question HOW this happened, if indeed there was a change of the guard at the helm of the program, but the kids were still pretty much in place as it was before? Fairly simple, if you think about it.... ::)

[stevenash]

FIrst of all, I do not accept your "declaration" on the vast superiority of talent. ( I fully understand what you are saying but cant say on here)  If we define "talent" as who can do the most double pumped 360sand runs/jumps the fastest/highest, I might agree with you but I have a different definition of talent or perhaps believe that intellect plays a bigger part in the game than you do and sorry, but the intellect factor" ain't" no greater at the Beaumont schools than in Nederland.    A good example of the intellect factor is how HJ continues to be competitive against teams with far superior athletes.  The 91 state championship team was full of not particularly athletic caucasians who were slower but could run longer than any of the "more talented" athletes and they polished their skills to a higher degree than the competition  did.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1176711" timestamp="1329092304"]
FIrst of all, I do not accept your "declaration" on the vast superiority of talent. ( I fully understand what you are saying but cant say on here)  If we define "talent" as who can do the most double pumped 360sand runs/jumps the fastest/highest, I might agree with you but I have a different definition of talent or perhaps believe that intellect plays a bigger part in the game than you do and sorry, but the intellect factor" ain't" no greater at the Beaumont schools than in Nederland.    A good example of the intellect factor is how HJ continues to be competitive against teams with far superior athletes.  The 91 state championship team was full of not particularly athletic caucasians who were slower but could run longer than any of the "more talented" athletes and they polished their skills to a higher degree than the competition  did.
[/quote]

With all of that you said....1991 HJ wanted NO PART of the 1991 PA Lincoln team....Period...Was it due to the "superior" HJ "intellect"..no way...Contrary to your belief, certain coaches, (myself included) Believe that you must TEACH the game of basketball...every day...This "intellect" that you speak of is not a right of passage for less athletic teams..It must be taught...Basketball IQ must be a part of what you teach in your program...I know how good that 91 HJ 3A state championship team was....However, they were no match for the more athletic, high basketball IQ of the 1991 Class 4A state champion Port Arthur Lincoln team...[i]Athletic[/i] does not always equal [i]low basketball IQ[/i].  It may sound good when trying to rally non athletic troops in a locker room speech, when facing better "athletes", but it is not always the case..Some coaches that are blessed to "always coach talented players", understand this fact...And they keep winning, while people seem to wonder how it happens so frequently...I know why... 8)

[Bigdog]

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1176487" timestamp="1329019219"]
Nederland fans, take it as a compliment that so many people are talking about Nederland, no one would being saying anything unless they were doing good things.  No matter how good you are people are always going to talk about you, mostly because of jealousy, so take it as a compliment and ignore the rest.  I know it is tough to do, but that is what I would hope I would do.
[/quote]

I don't worry about small opinions of small people...

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1176721" timestamp="1329094701"]
[quote author=east texas bb link=topic=95851.msg1176487#msg1176487 date=1329019219]
Nederland fans, take it as a compliment that so many people are talking about Nederland, no one would being saying anything unless they were doing good things.  No matter how good you are people are always going to talk about you, mostly because of jealousy, so take it as a compliment and ignore the rest.  I know it is tough to do, but that is what I would hope I would do.
[/quote]

I don't worry about small opinions of small people...
[/quote]
More insults, huh? Why do people that do not have the same opinion that you do have to be deemed "small"? What makes you so much "bigger" than they are? Is your opinion THAT much greater?...( I am saying they, because I am taking me out of that "small people" equation)

[Bigdog]

I haven't offered an opinion on how far Nederland will go, and nobody on this site has said Nederland will win state.  YOU have come on here from the day that you got reinstated and started attacking Nederland, because your former team is no longer the dominant team that you think they should be.  You can't accept that things are cyclical, that other teams rise while others fall.  Nederland was a non-factor in 20-4a in football for 30 years until Neumann got here, now they are in the playoffs every year and most years are in the hunt for the district championship.  The same thing has happened when English got here.  He greatly improved Vidor the few years he was there and has improved Nederland since he arrived.

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176722" timestamp="1329094859"]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=95851.msg1176721#msg1176721 date=1329094701]
[quote author=east texas bb link=topic=95851.msg1176487#msg1176487 date=1329019219]
Nederland fans, take it as a compliment that so many people are talking about Nederland, no one would being saying anything unless they were doing good things.  No matter how good you are people are always going to talk about you, mostly because of jealousy, so take it as a compliment and ignore the rest.  I know it is tough to do, but that is what I would hope I would do.
[/quote]

I don't worry about small opinions of small people...
[/quote]
More insults, huh? Why do people that do not have the same opinion that you do have to be deemed "small"? What makes you so much "bigger" than they are? Is your opinion THAT much greater?...( I am saying they, because I am taking me out of that "small people" equation)
[/quote]

Dickie- Let me give you something to consider when making these "large people" "small people" references.  Whether it is intentional or not, it violates most everyone when they hear you word things in a manner that renders their opinion meaningless as compared to yours.  It does NOT matter one IOTA whether there is validity to that contention or not.  Taking that attitude ( or not taking it but portraying it) will be counterproductive in many avenues of life besides basketball.  Frankly, I am not as troubled by it because I happen to realize what a big basketball world there is out there and NOBODY but NOBODY(including you) has the last word on it. I watched Charles Barkley get on the television a few years ago and "declare" ( in all of his "been there done that" wisdom) that the Cavs would beat Boston and if  somehow they didnt, Orlando definitely would in the conference final. Well his "been there done that" prediction proved worthless as Boston won the Cleveland series in 6 and Orlando wasnt even in the final where Boston beat Detroit in five before beating the Lakers to take it all.  You certainly are entitled to your opinion but you might want to reconsider how you structure your comments.  There are a number of people on this board who have "earned their stripes"( I am not one of them) in the basketball world and for you to suggest that it is somehow less than what you have done makes you look like you are condescending to everyone else.  At this point in your life, you simply are not in a position to condescend.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1176732" timestamp="1329095680"]
I haven't offered an opinion on how far Nederland will go, and nobody on this site has said Nederland will win state.  YOU have come on here from the day that you got reinstated and started attacking Nederland, because your former team is no longer the dominant team that you think they should be.  You can't accept that things are cyclical, that other teams rise while others fall.  Nederland was a non-factor in 20-4a in football for 30 years until Neumann got here, now they are in the playoffs every year and most years are in the hunt for the district championship.  The same thing has happened when English got here.  He greatly improved Vidor the few years he was there and has improved Nederland since he arrived.
[/quote]
I don't disagree with you on anything you said, except the part about me "attacking" Nederland..I have not attacked anyone..If ANYTHING I have been attacked for giving my opinion.  If you read my posts, I ALWAYS speak on the job Coach English is doing in Nederland...ALWAYS..thats because that is the TRUTH and it also happens to be my opinion. However, I am not going to agree with EVERYTHING thats posted on here about how good Nederland is right now...I have seen them play SEVERAL times this season, and I have come to MY conclusion about them, in which I am entitled to. I am not insulting anyone, nor am I bashing any player or coach from there. I KNOW you have seen some other comments about Nederland on here that were not favorable, yet you choose to dissect MINE and why I am of the opinion that I am.  Just think about it...You have watched me like a HAWK since I came back on, even complaining about me using capital letters in my posts!  :o :o...I am a target, because of who I am, and have always accepted that, but I will NOT be singled out.  If I do wrong, I will be the FIRST to admit it, but stating my opinion in an intelligent manner is by no means WRONG.

[baddog]

Funny how people who tend to single themselves out get upset when other people single them out.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="stevenash" post="1176737" timestamp="1329096522"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176722#msg1176722 date=1329094859]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=95851.msg1176721#msg1176721 date=1329094701]
[quote author=east texas bb link=topic=95851.msg1176487#msg1176487 date=1329019219]
Nederland fans, take it as a compliment that so many people are talking about Nederland, no one would being saying anything unless they were doing good things.  No matter how good you are people are always going to talk about you, mostly because of jealousy, so take it as a compliment and ignore the rest.  I know it is tough to do, but that is what I would hope I would do.
[/quote]

I don't worry about small opinions of small people...
[/quote]
More insults, huh? Why do people that do not have the same opinion that you do have to be deemed "small"? What makes you so much "bigger" than they are? Is your opinion THAT much greater?...( I am saying they, because I am taking me out of that "small people" equation)
[/quote]

Dickie- Let me give you something to consider when making these "large people" "small people" references.  Whether it is intentional or not, it violates most everyone when they hear you word things in a manner that renders their opinion meaningless as compared to yours.  It does NOT matter one IOTA whether there is validity to that contention or not.  Taking that attitude ( or not taking it but portraying it) will be counterproductive in many avenues of life besides basketball.  Frankly, I am not as troubled by it because I happen to realize what a big basketball world there is out there and NOBODY but NOBODY(including you) has the last word on it. I watched Charles Barkley get on the television a few years ago and "declare" ( in all of his "been there done that" wisdom) that the Cavs would beat Boston and if  somehow they didnt, Orlando definitely would in the conference final. Well his "been there done that" prediction proved worthless as Boston won the Cleveland series in 6 and Orlando wasnt even in the final where Boston beat Detroit in five before beating the Lakers to take it all.  You certainly are entitled to your opinion but you might want to reconsider how you structure your comments.  There are a number of people on this board who have "earned their stripes"( I am not one of them) in the basketball world and for you to suggest that it is somehow less than what you have done makes you look like you are condescending to everyone else.  At this point in your life, you simply are not in a position to condescend.
[/quote]
I am CERTAIN that you and obviously a few others are reading me all wrong...The "small" reference came from the poster bigdog, when he stated that he is not bothered by "small" people...I simply asked him what makes others opinion "small" and his "big"...As for where I am in my life, I am quite content...Although I have plans to return to the sideline, the fact that I am not there now, BY NO MEANS, indicate that I am any less of a person, or that my knowledge of the game is somewhat diminished.  I don't understand that statement, but lets be clear.  I am not any less today than I was 10 years ago..I am actually better, because I have learned some life lessons, which will make me an even better coach when I return, and more importantly a better person.  I know what I know, and those that don't like that...well thats really not my problem...As I have said before, humility was not always my best quality, but I am working on it daily.. ;)

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="baddog" post="1176743" timestamp="1329097055"]
Funny how people who tend to single themselves out get upset when other people single them out.
[/quote]
No, the funny thing is that I am not upset in the least...and your lack of a better response further indicates that you have nothing better to say...Funny...isn't it? Now...If we can get off of me and back on topic, that would be a good thing... ;)

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176745" timestamp="1329097346"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176737#msg1176737 date=1329096522]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176722#msg1176722 date=1329094859]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=95851.msg1176721#msg1176721 date=1329094701]
[quote author=east texas bb link=topic=95851.msg1176487#msg1176487 date=1329019219]
Nederland fans, take it as a compliment that so many people are talking about Nederland, no one would being saying anything unless they were doing good things.  No matter how good you are people are always going to talk about you, mostly because of jealousy, so take it as a compliment and ignore the rest.  I know it is tough to do, but that is what I would hope I would do.
[/quote]

I don't worry about small opinions of small people...
[/quote]
More insults, huh? Why do people that do not have the same opinion that you do have to be deemed "small"? What makes you so much "bigger" than they are? Is your opinion THAT much greater?...( I am saying they, because I am taking me out of that "small people" equation)
[/quote]

Dickie- Let me give you something to consider when making these "large people" "small people" references.  Whether it is intentional or not, it violates most everyone when they hear you word things in a manner that renders their opinion meaningless as compared to yours.  It does NOT matter one IOTA whether there is validity to that contention or not.  Taking that attitude ( or not taking it but portraying it) will be counterproductive in many avenues of life besides basketball.  Frankly, I am not as troubled by it because I happen to realize what a big basketball world there is out there and NOBODY but NOBODY(including you) has the last word on it. I watched Charles Barkley get on the television a few years ago and "declare" ( in all of his "been there done that" wisdom) that the Cavs would beat Boston and if  somehow they didnt, Orlando definitely would in the conference final. Well his "been there done that" prediction proved worthless as Boston won the Cleveland series in 6 and Orlando wasnt even in the final where Boston beat Detroit in five before beating the Lakers to take it all.  You certainly are entitled to your opinion but you might want to reconsider how you structure your comments.  There are a number of people on this board who have "earned their stripes"( I am not one of them) in the basketball world and for you to suggest that it is somehow less than what you have done makes you look like you are condescending to everyone else.  At this point in your life, you simply are not in a position to condescend.
[/quote]
I am CERTAIN that you and obviously a few others are reading me all wrong...The "small" reference came from the poster bigdog, when he stated that he is not bothered by "small" people...I simply asked him what makes others opinion "small" and his "big"...As for where I am in my life, I am quite content...Although I have plans to return to the sideline, the fact that I am not there now, BY NO MEANS, indicate that I am any less of a person, or that my knowledge of the game is somewhat diminished.  I don't understand that statement, but lets be clear.  I am not any less today than I was 10 years ago..I am actually better, because I have learned some life lessons, which will make me an even better coach when I return, and more importantly a better person.  I know what I know, and those that don't like that...well thats really not my problem...As I have said before, humility was not always my best quality, but I am working on it daily.. ;)
[/quote]
You can't come on here and just demand respect and b**** when you don't get it and get called out on stuff.

[jam14]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176628" timestamp="1329081035"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176626#msg1176626 date=1329080663]
Nederland may not win state this year but I believe what the program has achieved over the last few years is a greater accomplishment than winning a title at an established program where basketball is the only athletic priority.
[/quote]
No sir... ::)....Not even close....
[/quote]
Dickie V get a life and grow up

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Wampus Kitty" post="1176749" timestamp="1329097569"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176628#msg1176628 date=1329081035]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176626#msg1176626 date=1329080663]
Nederland may not win state this year but I believe what the program has achieved over the last few years is a greater accomplishment than winning a title at an established program where basketball is the only athletic priority.
[/quote]
No sir... ::)....Not even close....
[/quote]
Dickie V get a life and grow up
[/quote]
More fans... ::)....I just don't get this...grow up? what would indicate to you that I need to grow up? My opinion? Please share, because I enjoy chances at growth and development....even via the world wide web...

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176750" timestamp="1329097715"]
[quote author=Wampus Kitty link=topic=95851.msg1176749#msg1176749 date=1329097569]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176628#msg1176628 date=1329081035]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176626#msg1176626 date=1329080663]
Nederland may not win state this year but I believe what the program has achieved over the last few years is a greater accomplishment than winning a title at an established program where basketball is the only athletic priority.
[/quote]
No sir... ::)....Not even close....
[/quote]
Dickie V get a life and grow up
[/quote]
More fans... ::)....I just don't get this...grow up? what would indicate to you that I need to grow up? My opinion? Please share, because I enjoy chances at growth and development....even via the world wide web...
[/quote]
So where ya coaching at dickie?

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176745" timestamp="1329097346"]
[quote author=stevenash link=topic=95851.msg1176737#msg1176737 date=1329096522]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176722#msg1176722 date=1329094859]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=95851.msg1176721#msg1176721 date=1329094701]
[quote author=east texas bb link=topic=95851.msg1176487#msg1176487 date=1329019219]
Nederland fans, take it as a compliment that so many people are talking about Nederland, no one would being saying anything unless they were doing good things.  No matter how good you are people are always going to talk about you, mostly because of jealousy, so take it as a compliment and ignore the rest.  I know it is tough to do, but that is what I would hope I would do.
[/quote]

I don't worry about small opinions of small people...
[/quote]
More insults, huh? Why do people that do not have the same opinion that you do have to be deemed "small"? What makes you so much "bigger" than they are? Is your opinion THAT much greater?...( I am saying they, because I am taking me out of that "small people" equation)
[/quote]

Dickie- Let me give you something to consider when making these "large people" "small people" references.  Whether it is intentional or not, it violates most everyone when they hear you word things in a manner that renders their opinion meaningless as compared to yours.  It does NOT matter one IOTA whether there is validity to that contention or not.  Taking that attitude ( or not taking it but portraying it) will be counterproductive in many avenues of life besides basketball.  Frankly, I am not as troubled by it because I happen to realize what a big basketball world there is out there and NOBODY but NOBODY(including you) has the last word on it. I watched Charles Barkley get on the television a few years ago and "declare" ( in all of his "been there done that" wisdom) that the Cavs would beat Boston and if  somehow they didnt, Orlando definitely would in the conference final. Well his "been there done that" prediction proved worthless as Boston won the Cleveland series in 6 and Orlando wasnt even in the final where Boston beat Detroit in five before beating the Lakers to take it all.  You certainly are entitled to your opinion but you might want to reconsider how you structure your comments.  There are a number of people on this board who have "earned their stripes"( I am not one of them) in the basketball world and for you to suggest that it is somehow less than what you have done makes you look like you are condescending to everyone else.  At this point in your life, you simply are not in a position to condescend.
[/quote]
I am CERTAIN that you and obviously a few others are reading me all wrong...The "small" reference came from the poster bigdog, when he stated that he is not bothered by "small" people...I simply asked him what makes others opinion "small" and his "big"...As for where I am in my life, I am quite content...Although I have plans to return to the sideline, the fact that I am not there now, BY NO MEANS, indicate that I am any less of a person, or that my knowledge of the game is somewhat diminished.  I don't understand that statement, but lets be clear.  I am not any less today than I was 10 years ago..I am actually better, because I have learned some life lessons, which will make me an even better coach when I return, and more importantly a better person.  I know what I know, and those that don't like that...well thats really not my problem...As I have said before, humility was not always my best quality, but I am working on it daily.. ;)
[/quote]

You have never heard me make any comment about whether or not you are on the sidelines.  Doesnt matter a bit to me and, for all I know, you may be the greatest coach in the world. You know what you know but just fail to understand that others know what they know also.  The only issue I believe you face on this board is attitudinal as opposed to experiential.  If you find a different way to phrase some of your comments, I will bet you will find that you are not being singled out.  If people are singling you out, there IS a reason for that and you ought to find a way, through your methods of communication, not to be singled out.  It's nearly impossible, after all of this, to claim that you are a victim of some sort of unfair treatment.  When you are dealing with a group of people with a wide and varying range of experience and values, you "earn" whatever treatment you get.  If you don't like the treatment, you probably should change your approach.

[baddog]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1176747" timestamp="1329097497"]
[quote author=baddog link=topic=95851.msg1176743#msg1176743 date=1329097055]
Funny how people who tend to single themselves out get upset when other people single them out.
[/quote]
No, the funny thing is that I am not upset in the least...and your lack of a better response further indicates that you have nothing better to say...Funny...isn't it? Now...If we can get off of me and back on topic, that would be a good thing... ;)
[/quote]

Funny, I thought my response was appropriate. Some people can say more with less. My statement was decent enough to provoke a response from you. Funny.....

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="baddog" post="1176785" timestamp="1329099746"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95851.msg1176747#msg1176747 date=1329097497]
[quote author=baddog link=topic=95851.msg1176743#msg1176743 date=1329097055]
Funny how people who tend to single themselves out get upset when other people single them out.
[/quote]
No, the funny thing is that I am not upset in the least...and your lack of a better response further indicates that you have nothing better to say...Funny...isn't it? Now...If we can get off of me and back on topic, that would be a good thing... ;)
[/quote]

Funny, I thought my response was appropriate. Some people can say more with less. My statement was decent enough to provoke a response from you. Funny.....
[/quote]
Sure is to me. I'm laughing my arse off here.  8)

[FanintheStands]

Guys,

If I understand Dickie V's reasoning correctly, I can see what he means.  Look at it this way.  Coach English is getting about 95% out of his players... This is a result of great coaching!  But Nederland is just about as good as they are going to get this year.

But Ozen (and Central) has players with far more athletic potential and the coaching staff is NOT getting the most out of their potentials... let's say 60-70% (although the exact number is open to debate), the point is, that the Ozen team can be much, MUCH better with some better coaching.

So, is DV picking on Nederland?  I don't think so.  But much like the HJ faithful who react like pitbulls when they feel HJ Is being maligned, the Nederland faithful are absolutely certain that DV is drinking HatorAde when it comes to Nederland.

Frankly, I see his point.  There is a coaching vacuum in Beaumont that is holding the Panthers and Jaguars from competing at the level that they could be (considering the talent on the teams).

I hope I didn't muddy up the waters even further.

[stevenash]

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1176816" timestamp="1329102803"]
Guys,

If I understand Dickie V's reasoning correctly, I can see what he means.  Look at it this way.  Coach English is getting about 95% out of his players... This is a result of great coaching!  But Nederland is just about as good as they are going to get this year.

But Ozen (and Central) has players with far more athletic potential and the coaching staff is NOT getting the most out of their potentials... let's say 60-70% (although the exact number is open to debate), the point is, that the Ozen team can be much, MUCH better with some better coaching.

So, is DV picking on Nederland?  I don't think so.  But much like the HJ faithful who react like pitbulls when they feel HJ Is being maligned, the Nederland faithful are absolutely certain that DV is drinking HatorAde when it comes to Nederland.

Frankly, I see his point.  There is a coaching vacuum in Beaumont that is holding the Panthers and Jaguars from competing at the level that they could be (considering the talent on the teams).

I hope I didn't muddy up the waters even further.
[/quote]

People are not having problems with his reasoning - it is more of an attitudinal issue

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="1176816" timestamp="1329102803"]
Guys,

If I understand Dickie V's reasoning correctly, I can see what he means.  Look at it this way.  Coach English is getting about 95% out of his players... This is a result of great coaching!  But Nederland is just about as good as they are going to get this year.

But Ozen (and Central) has players with far more athletic potential and the coaching staff is NOT getting the most out of their potentials... let's say 60-70% (although the exact number is open to debate), the point is, that the Ozen team can be much, MUCH better with some better coaching.

So, is DV picking on Nederland?  I don't think so.  But much like the HJ faithful who react like pitbulls when they feel HJ Is being maligned, the Nederland faithful are absolutely certain that DV is drinking HatorAde when it comes to Nederland.

Frankly, I see his point.  There is a coaching vacuum in Beaumont that is holding the Panthers and Jaguars from competing at the level that they could be (considering the talent on the teams).

I hope I didn't muddy up the waters even further.
[/quote]

No, you just about hit it on the head, Fan.  You'll be generally ignored, or even maligned, but you got it.