Central, Nederland boys basketball coaches disagree on how to settle tie

[Baller 93]

Oh u must need ur glasses. I believe it says Montagne!!!    ::)

[ST413]

Doesn't make sense to not use one facility but allow use of another if vandalism is the reason.

[Baller 93]

[quote name="ST413" post="1178327" timestamp="1329285717"]
Doesn't make sense to not use one facility but allow use of another if vandalism is the reason.
[/quote]

I dont know much on the issue, but i agree it doesnt make sense. It just something i heard around the Montagne.

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="#1 Manager" post="1178326" timestamp="1329285592"]
Oh u must need ur glasses. I believe it says Montagne!!!    ::)
[/quote]


You also stated that Lamar wasn't going to allow High schools to use the football stadium starting in 2012. ::)

Trust me, YMBL tourney will be held at the Montagne. ;)

[CThoops]

I can understand them not wanting people to use it because of other teams not respecting the place and damaging equipment. I do however see them finding a way for the gym to still be used. It is a perfect venue for some playoff type games

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1178285" timestamp="1329282361"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=95984.msg1178277#msg1178277 date=1329282015]
I would think the Montagne because Ozen to some would be considered homecourt advantage for Central.
[/quote]
Why would it be considered homecourt? they BOTH played there this season...It would be the best available venue other than Lamar....Lamar State PA could host it too. At this point, you want to just secure a good, neutral venue as soon as possible.
[/quote]Notice I said 'to some'.  ;)

[quid]

[quote name="#1 Manager" post="1178317" timestamp="1329284683"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95984.msg1178313#msg1178313 date=1329284370]
[quote author=#1 Manager link=topic=95984.msg1178305#msg1178305 date=1329283994]
Lamar starting this year in 2012,said  that no high school can use the Montagne or Football field, due to alot of stuff being vandalized in locker rooms and stuff missing.    so the Montagne is out!!!
[/quote]


Also, just where will the YMBL tourney for 2012 be held? I was told that the YMBL has a 5 year contract with Lamar starting last year.
[/quote]

The word going around Lamar,is that the university is meeting to discuss future plans on the matter.  But i know the montagne has said it is not hosting high school playoff games.
[/quote]

That is an absolute shame!  It has plenty of parking and  seating.  Too bad some bad ones have to mess it all up for everybody else!!

[BMTSoulja1]

Wouldn't it be funny if this guy that is stating what LU is wanting to do is REALLY upset up what Ozen did and is placing Central in the same catagory as Ozen and don't want 'them' to play there, but don't have a problem with anyone else playing on their campus. 

[CThoops]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1178371" timestamp="1329311929"]
Wouldn't it be funny if this guy that is stating what LU is wanting to do is REALLY upset up what Ozen did and is placing Central in the same catagory as Ozen and don't want 'them' to play there, but don't have a problem with anyone else playing on their campus. 
[/quote]

I dont think it has to do with that at all. #1 Manager has a few connections to Lamar and the Montagne Center, so he may have heard something about this

[BLUEDOVE3]

AND a good [color=red]*recruiting tool*[/color] Unless they aren't interested in the local players, which may be possible.

[shorttexas1]

I guess since Central has gone 2-1 against Ned he feels like the tie breaker has alreadey been played.  Playing again and Ned wins then that just mean they are truly (not district) still tied... But if Central wins again then it will be 3-1 and dominant in the series.  Either way, it seems that you dont get a true resolve!  So I vote "no play" and pick up a meaningful harm up game.

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="ABSENT!" post="1178525" timestamp="1329323049"]
I guess since [b]Central has gone 2-1 against Ned[/b] he feels like the tie breaker has alreadey been played.  Playing again and Ned wins then that just mean they are truly (not district) still tied... But if Central wins again then it will be 3-1 and dominant in the series.  Either way, it seems that you dont get a true resolve!  So I vote "no play" and pick up a meaningful harm up game.
[/quote]
Seriously? Pre-District games don't count! If they play, then the winner will be THE District Champions. It's THAT simple!
Plus the only vote that matters on this issue is the vote between the coaches, and they will settle it sometime today.

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1178552" timestamp="1329325110"]
[quote author=ABSENT! link=topic=95984.msg1178525#msg1178525 date=1329323049]
I guess since [b]Central has gone 2-1 against Ned[/b] he feels like the tie breaker has alreadey been played.  Playing again and Ned wins then that just mean they are truly (not district) still tied... But if Central wins again then it will be 3-1 and dominant in the series.  Either way, it seems that you dont get a true resolve!  So I vote "no play" and pick up a meaningful harm up game.
[/quote]
Seriously? Pre-District games don't count! If they play, then the winner will be [b]THE District Champions[/b]. It's THAT simple!
Plus the only vote that matters on this issue is the vote between the coaches, and they will settle it sometime today.
[/quote]


Wrong. If they play, the winner is the #1 seed. It goes down on the books as Co-Champs. Any trophy or banner displayed would have to say Co-Champs.

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1178570" timestamp="1329326497"]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1178552#msg1178552 date=1329325110]
[quote author=ABSENT! link=topic=95984.msg1178525#msg1178525 date=1329323049]
I guess since [b]Central has gone 2-1 against Ned[/b] he feels like the tie breaker has alreadey been played.  Playing again and Ned wins then that just mean they are truly (not district) still tied... But if Central wins again then it will be 3-1 and dominant in the series.  Either way, it seems that you dont get a true resolve!  So I vote "no play" and pick up a
meaningful harm up game.
[/quote]
Seriously? Pre-District games don't count! If they play, then the winner will be [b]THE District Champions[/b]. It's THAT simple!
Plus the only vote that matters on this issue is the vote between the coaches, and they will settle it sometime today.
[/quote]


Wrong. If they play, the winner is the #1 seed. It goes down on the books as Co-Champs. Any trophy or banner displayed would have to say Co-Champs.
[/quote]
Wrong. District 20-4A changed their rules from 2 years ago. The winner of the play-in game (or if a team concedes) will be the District Champs, and the loser will be declared as the District Runner-Up.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1178576" timestamp="1329326769"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95984.msg1178570#msg1178570 date=1329326497]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1178552#msg1178552 date=1329325110]
[quote author=ABSENT! link=topic=95984.msg1178525#msg1178525 date=1329323049]
I guess since [b]Central has gone 2-1 against Ned[/b] he feels like the tie breaker has alreadey been played.  Playing again and Ned wins then that just mean they are truly (not district) still tied... But if Central wins again then it will be 3-1 and dominant in the series.  Either way, it seems that you dont get a true resolve!  So I vote "no play" and pick up a
meaningful harm up game.
[/quote]
Seriously? Pre-District games don't count! If they play, then the winner will be [b]THE District Champions[/b]. It's THAT simple!
Plus the only vote that matters on this issue is the vote between the coaches, and they will settle it sometime today.
[/quote]


Wrong. If they play, the winner is the #1 seed. It goes down on the books as Co-Champs. Any trophy or banner displayed would have to say Co-Champs.
[/quote]
Wrong. District 20-4A changed their rules from 2 years ago. The winner of the play-in game (or if a team concedes) will be the District Champs, and the loser will be declared as the District Runner-Up.
[/quote]
I don't think that the districts can make that call.  Isn't that a UIL issue? It should be universal across the board, right? I've never heard of them doing it that way... ???

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1178576" timestamp="1329326769"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95984.msg1178570#msg1178570 date=1329326497]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1178552#msg1178552 date=1329325110]
[quote author=ABSENT! link=topic=95984.msg1178525#msg1178525 date=1329323049]
I guess since [b]Central has gone 2-1 against Ned[/b] he feels like the tie breaker has alreadey been played.  Playing again and Ned wins then that just mean they are truly (not district) still tied... But if Central wins again then it will be 3-1 and dominant in the series.  Either way, it seems that you dont get a true resolve!  So I vote "no play" and pick up a
meaningful harm up game.
[/quote]
Seriously? Pre-District games don't count! If they play, then the winner will be [b]THE District Champions[/b]. It's THAT simple!
Plus the only vote that matters on this issue is the vote between the coaches, and they will settle it sometime today.
[/quote]


Wrong. If they play, the winner is the #1 seed. It goes down on the books as Co-Champs. Any trophy or banner displayed would have to say Co-Champs.
[/quote]
Wrong. District 20-4A changed their rules from 2 years ago. The winner of the play-in game (or if a team concedes) will be the District Champs, and the loser will be declared as the District Runner-Up.
[/quote]


I think that is incorrect. I will check.

[team first]

If both coaches agree that the game is for the district Champ, then it could be played as the district championship game. But since both are not agreeing to play it that way, it is only for seeding purposes only. With both being Co-district champions.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="team first" post="1178582" timestamp="1329327264"]
If both coaches agree that the game is for the district Champ, then it could be played as the district championship game. But since both are not agreeing to play it that way, it is only for seeding purposes only. With both being Co-district champions.
[/quote]
This is how I understood it also...

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1178581" timestamp="1329327038"]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1178576#msg1178576 date=1329326769]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=95984.msg1178570#msg1178570 date=1329326497]
[quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=95984.msg1178552#msg1178552 date=1329325110]
[quote author=ABSENT! link=topic=95984.msg1178525#msg1178525 date=1329323049]
I guess since [b]Central has gone 2-1 against Ned[/b] he feels like the
tie breaker has alreadey been played.  Playing again and Ned wins then that just mean they are truly (not district) still tied... But if Central wins again then it will be 3-1 and dominant in the series.  Either way, it seems that you dont get a true resolve!  So I vote "no play" and pick up a
meaningful harm up game.
[/quote]
Seriously? Pre-District games don't count! If they play, then the winner will be [b]THE District Champions[/b]. It's THAT simple!
Plus the only vote that matters on this issue is the vote between the
coaches, and they will settle it sometime today.
[/quote]


Wrong. If they play, the winner is the #1 seed. It goes down on the books as Co-Champs. Any trophy or banner displayed would have to say Co-Champs.
[/quote]
Wrong. District 20-4A changed their rules from 2 years ago. The winner of the play-in game (or if a team concedes) will be the District Champs, and the loser will be declared as the District Runner-Up.
[/quote]


I think that is incorrect. I will check.
[/quote]
That's what my son told me. He was informed that is what Coach E told his players, but both coaches MUST agree to it. Sounds like it's not going to happen though. However, if one coach concedes, then they are co-district champs (I misunderstood that part) and it only determines seeding.

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="team first" post="1178582" timestamp="1329327264"]
If both coaches agree that the game is for the district Champ, then it could be played as the district championship game. But since both are not agreeing to play it that way, it is only for seeding purposes only. With both being Co-district champions.
[/quote]
Yes! That is how I understand it too.

[coopntx]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1178587" timestamp="1329327500"]
[quote author=team first link=topic=95984.msg1178582#msg1178582 date=1329327264]
If both coaches agree that the game is for the district Champ, then it could be played as the district championship game. But since both are not agreeing to play it that way, it is only for seeding purposes only. With both being Co-district champions.
[/quote]
This is how I understood it also...
[/quote]
Spin it however you want, but to be scared to play is to quit, to quit is to lose.

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="coopntx" post="1179680" timestamp="1329442922"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=95984.msg1178587#msg1178587 date=1329327500]
[quote author=team first link=topic=95984.msg1178582#msg1178582 date=1329327264]
If both coaches agree that the game is for the district Champ, then it could be played as the district championship game. But since both are not agreeing to play it that way, it is only for seeding purposes only. With both being Co-district champions.
[/quote]
This is how I understood it also...
[/quote]
Spin it however you want, but to be scared to play is to quit, to quit is to lose.
[/quote]


::)

[scapegoat]

If one of these teams was state tournament caliber,I could see them not playing.Both of these teams are young and need to play as much as possible, in big games, to prepare for next year.

[team first]

Spin it however I want??? I an just stating 20-4a district rules. If I was coaching a team silsbee, hj, Ned, central, I would be playing all day. How could  I look my kids in the eye and say I think is better to concede. I couldn't do it.

[asary]

Not playing the game to avoid injury?  IMO Central simply wanted to go into the playoffs coming off of a win. Yes I know, Central has beat Ned 2 out of 3 games, but ask any coach how hard it is to beat a good opponent 3 times in one year. Valid arguments for playing or not playing, but IMO you always play this game.