Honest Abe Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'? There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started: (Does not have to be in order)1. Basketball IQ2. Athleticism*3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs)4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure)5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing)There are plenty others, I know.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1179366" timestamp="1329410241"]The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'? There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started: (Does not have to be in order)1. Basketball IQ2. Athleticism*3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs)4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure)5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing)There are plenty others, I know.[/quote]sHEEZ! You left out the most important one..... mental toughness, and don't you dare use the excuse, "it goes under basketball IQ." :)
Honest Abe Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179369" timestamp="1329410634"][quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96103.msg1179366#msg1179366 date=1329410241]The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'? There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started: (Does not have to be in order)1. Basketball IQ2. Athleticism*3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs)4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure)5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing)There are plenty others, I know.[/quote]sHEEZ! You left out the most important one..... mental toughness, and don't you dare use the excuse, "it goes under basketball IQ." :)[/quote]Yep, that's where I put it-sorry! :-[ Anyway, 'mental toughness' is necessary in ANY sport!As I mentioned, here is a START. Please add to it. :)We don't know what talent looks like (in Nederland) ::) - so we want to know!
stevenash Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Looks like pretty decent criteria to me.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 You can have all the IQ , but don't mean anything if you too scared to use it. It's Nederland, I will grant this exception. ;D
HJ2012 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1179366" timestamp="1329410241"]The term 'talent' has been discussed in many different aspects on this forum. One's perception of talent seems to be different than the next guy's opinion. What are the top 5 (or more) qualities, in your opinion, that makes a High School kid 'talented'? There are plenty more, I know, but this should get it started: (Does not have to be in order)1. Basketball IQ2. Athleticism*3. Diversified Scoring Ability (inside, outside, [b]SMRJ[/b], FTs)4. Defensive Effeciency (Steals, Blocked Shots, defensive pressure)5. Ball Control (Low TO/steal ratio; dribbling/passing)There are plenty others, I know.[/quote]In my opinion, this criteria is not consistent. Basketball IQ and Athleticism are very general where as 3, 4, and 5 are more specific. Scoring ability and ball control are factors that make up the equation of IQ, and your defensive abilities and efficiency (correctly spelled) fall more under the category of athleticism.I don't think it is an argument that Basketball IQ would be taken over athleticism any day of the week. You can make yourself stronger, quicker, and more agile, we all have seen it done. But, your basketball IQ isn't something that will change much over time, no matter how many drills you go through in practice.
stevenash Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179394" timestamp="1329412872"]You can have all the IQ , but don't mean anything if you too scared to use it. It's Nederland, I will grant this exception. ;D[/quote]On the other side of the equation, you can have a lot of talent and if not applied properly, the results are not particularly gratifying. Of course, if you are scared or intimidated, then the basketball IQ is maybe not what it could/should be
lamar73! Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 How about Leadership Qualities and Work Ethic? I have seen talent become a cancer and tear a team apart.
stevenash Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="lamar73!" post="1179408" timestamp="1329413814"]How about Leadership Qualities and Work Ethic? I have seen talent become a cancer and tear a team apart.[/quote] Allen Iverson is good example
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="stevenash" post="1179406" timestamp="1329413441"][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179394#msg1179394 date=1329412872]You can have all the IQ , but don't mean anything if you too scared to use it. It's Nederland, I will grant this exception. ;D[/quote]On the other side of the equation, you can have a lot of talent and if not applied properly, the results are not particularly gratifying. Of course, if you are scared or intimidated, then the basketball IQ is maybe not what it could/should be[/quote]100 % agree
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="stevenash" post="1179409" timestamp="1329413991"][quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96103.msg1179408#msg1179408 date=1329413814]How about Leadership Qualities and Work Ethic? I have seen talent become a cancer and tear a team apart.[/quote] Allen Iverson is good example[/quote]Always kicking on the little man, aren't you Nash?
mytwocents-28 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Big example is work ethic. I know someone already said this but, IMO, its probably the most important trait. I would take someone who has about 55% free throw and an average of 10 points a game who is in the gym every day working harder than anyone over someone who is averaging 20 points a game who shows up late to practice and has a bad attitude.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)
mytwocents-28 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179443" timestamp="1329416458"]Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)[/quote]Amen there.
bullets13 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 here's one that i haven't seen mentioned... coachability... these days this is a quality that many players don't have, but it plays a huge rule in the development of talent in HS players, especially if the coach is a good one.
catfever Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Many times teams with a lot of heart can beat teams that are more athletic. That is why there is a tie in 21-3A for 3rd place.
CThoops Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Basketball IQ and the skills to go with make a player talented, but the reason some teams are just plain better than others is the fact that their players were more physically gifted.. (Height, wingspan, body size)..The root of talent in basketball is work ethic and practice.. And the kids that want to put the time in to be better, will be better
Guest tigersvoice Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="vp32" post="1179445" timestamp="1329416603"][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)[/quote]Amen there.[/quote]OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist, and one cello player. They are all males, they are all 6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart. Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."
stevenash Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179433" timestamp="1329415774"][quote author=stevenash link=topic=96103.msg1179409#msg1179409 date=1329413991][quote author=lamar73! link=topic=96103.msg1179408#msg1179408 date=1329413814]How about Leadership Qualities and Work Ethic? I have seen talent become a cancer and tear a team apart.[/quote] Allen Iverson is good example[/quote]Always kicking on the little man, aren't you Nash?[/quote]He "earned" what he got.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1179480" timestamp="1329419420"][quote author=vp32 link=topic=96103.msg1179445#msg1179445 date=1329416603][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)[/quote]Amen there.[/quote]OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist, and one cello player. They are all males, they are all 6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart. Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."[/quote]How you gonna have the same heart playing a *harp?* ::) ::)
stevenash Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1179480" timestamp="1329419420"][quote author=vp32 link=topic=96103.msg1179445#msg1179445 date=1329416603][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)[/quote]Amen there.[/quote]OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist, and one cello player. They are all males, they are all 6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart. Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."[/quote] ;D ;D ;D ;D TV, you are always so elegantly eloquent.
Guest tigersvoice Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1179491" timestamp="1329419943"][quote author=Tigersvoice link=topic=96103.msg1179480#msg1179480 date=1329419420][quote author=vp32 link=topic=96103.msg1179445#msg1179445 date=1329416603][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)[/quote]Amen there.[/quote]OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist, and one cello player. They are all males, they are all 6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart. Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."[/quote]How you gonna have the same heart playing a *harp?* ::) ::)[/quote]All of these guys are [u][b]passionate[/b][/u]about the music they play. Their hearts abound. (Dove, that's abound not "rebound." ;D)
stevenash Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1179503" timestamp="1329420631"][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179491#msg1179491 date=1329419943][quote author=Tigersvoice link=topic=96103.msg1179480#msg1179480 date=1329419420][quote author=vp32 link=topic=96103.msg1179445#msg1179445 date=1329416603][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96103.msg1179443#msg1179443 date=1329416458]Give me guys with heart and I'll kick your butt or die trying ;)[/quote]Amen there.[/quote]OK - here's two piano players, one flautist, one harpist, and one cello player. They are all males, they are all 6'2" or slightly over and they all have heart. Start them against HJ or Silsbee - in my opinion, it'll be "die trying."[/quote]How you gonna have the same heart playing a *harp?* ::) ::)[/quote]All of these guys are [u][b]passionate[/b][/u]about the music they play. Their hearts abound. (Dove, that's abound not "rebound." ;D)[/quote]I just hope they ran cross country instead of universal off season.
cooligan Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Ok, I'll take the music majors, hire DV than they'll be in Austin in 2 years. Mark my word! :P
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