BellBiz30 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 Is strength of schedule a major contributor to the success of a high school basketball team? If so, what determines whether or not a team has played a strong schedule?
sleepy Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 You must play teams from houston or you will never win. If you do win in the playoffs it won't matter because you didn't play anyone from houston.
stevenash Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="BellBiz30" post="1184471" timestamp="1330098511"]Is strength of schedule a major contributor to the success of a high school basketball team? If so, what determines whether or not a team has played a strong schedule?[/quote]I am sure that a strong schedule helps to some degree but I dont consider it to be the ultimate determinant of a teams success. There are lots of different ways to achieve a good end result. I have been told by a reliable source that LeBron James does yoga exclusively and does not lift weights. Conventional wisdom suggests that weight lifting is crucial to being a top competitor. If what I have been told is accurate, Mr. James would be tangible evidence that alternatives work also.
Dick Vitale Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 Not always, but it is never good to play ALL down in the pre-season...It gives your team a false sense of who they are...Some would call it confidence, but I have always believed that in order to be the best, you should play the best possible teams available...Scheduling is not always easy for good programs, however, due to the fact, no one wants to play you if they don't have to! I think you should have a balance as well when scheduling pre season games...you don't want to make your guys lose confidence by playing UP so much either...You should play games that your kids can get something out of...For example if I were a 3A program, I would find at least 1 majority 4A/5A tournament, just for the experience...The other two, I would just find good solid tournaments, regardless of classification...Being in SE Texas, you are kind of limited in pre season match ups, unless you are willing to travel for single games...If you can travel, do it, but I think there is enough competition in the area to have a decent pre district schedule that will test your team. Sometimes you can get the best work out of your team in pre season, by simply focusing on what YOU do...and concentrate on improving.
stevenash Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 I think your last couple of sentences make a lot of sense. I have been taught that there are many ways to skin a cat and you are most vulnerable to relative failure when you are too hard headed to accept that as a possibility. I would use Mr. Boeheims "zone approach" as another example that there are exceptions to every "rule". Additionally, when discussing strength of schedule, a lot of that will become a matter of perception.
sleepy Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 In the end the only schedule that matters is the one in the playoffs and how you do there! By that time of the year everyone has played someone that is good enough to challenge them.
BADSANTA Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 HJ hasn't played a Houston team in a while and the do well in the playoffs every year. Silsbee always plays a few during the year and also does well in the playoffs. I guest it doesn't matter. I wish both teams luck tonight!
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="BellBiz30" post="1184471" timestamp="1330098511"]Is strength of schedule a major contributor to the success of a high school basketball team? If so, what determines whether or not a team has played a strong schedule?[/quote]I think one way you can determine is by the team talent and the margin of victories you are blowing by these teams.
BellBiz30 Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="sleepy" post="1184480" timestamp="1330098960"]You must play teams from houston or you will never win. If you do win in the playoffs it won't matter because you didn't play anyone from houston.[/quote]too funny ;D ;D
stevenash Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1184528" timestamp="1330102117"][quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=96566.msg1184471#msg1184471 date=1330098511]Is strength of schedule a major contributor to the success of a high school basketball team? If so, what determines whether or not a team has played a strong schedule?[/quote]I think one way you can determine is by the team talent and the margin of victories you are blowing by these teams.[/quote]" Talent" is a relative term. If comparative scores will be a determining criteria, this might interest you. HJ (weak perceived schedule) had a 5 point larger average margin of victory in district competition than did Silsbee (strong perceived schedule).
Betrayed Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships
sleepy Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="Tebowing" post="1184587" timestamp="1330106269"]HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships[/quote]WEAK!!!!!! :)
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="Tebowing" post="1184587" timestamp="1330106269"]HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships[/quote] All great accomplishments. But when was the last time a regional and State championship?
AggiesAreWe Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1184595" timestamp="1330106645"][quote author=Tebowing link=topic=96566.msg1184587#msg1184587 date=1330106269]HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships[/quote] All great accomplishments. But when was the last time a regional and State championship?[/quote]2007 State Champion2009 Regional Champion
CATMAN Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="stevenash" post="1184482" timestamp="1330099050"][quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=96566.msg1184471#msg1184471 date=1330098511]Is strength of schedule a major contributor to the success of a high school basketball team? If so, what determines whether or not a team has played a strong schedule?[/quote]I am sure that a strong schedule helps to some degree but I dont consider it to be the ultimate determinant of a teams success. There are lots of different ways to achieve a good end result. I have been told by a reliable source that LeBron James does yoga exclusively and does not lift weights. Conventional wisdom suggests that weight lifting is crucial to being a top competitor. If what I have been told is accurate, Mr. James would be tangible evidence that alternatives work also.[/quote] I guess that why MR. JAMES FALLS APART IN 4th quarter HUN.
stevenash Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1184595" timestamp="1330106645"][quote author=Tebowing link=topic=96566.msg1184587#msg1184587 date=1330106269]HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships[/quote] All great accomplishments. But when was the last time a regional and State championship?[/quote]2007 and 2009- how does that compare in this area?
Betrayed Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="stevenash" post="1184630" timestamp="1330109054"][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96566.msg1184595#msg1184595 date=1330106645][quote author=Tebowing link=topic=96566.msg1184587#msg1184587 date=1330106269]HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships[/quote] All great accomplishments. But when was the last time a regional and State championship?[/quote]2007 and 2009- how does that compare in this area?[/quote]Most would agree that Silsbee plays the toughest schedule around here every year. Can someone post their accomplishments? I know HJ has 3 State Championships to Silsbee O....Think i would do whatever it is HJ and staff are doing. Don't think you getfor a ringu just because your opponents were tougher. Also, if Silsbee will play any team any where, then why No game 3, and why did theyshe run from Sealy??
AggiesAreWe Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="Tebowing" post="1184641" timestamp="1330109691"][quote author=stevenash link=topic=96566.msg1184630#msg1184630 date=1330109054][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96566.msg1184595#msg1184595 date=1330106645][quote author=Tebowing link=topic=96566.msg1184587#msg1184587 date=1330106269]HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships[/quote] All great accomplishments. But when was the last time a regional and State championship?[/quote]2007 and 2009- how does that compare in this area?[/quote]Most would agree that Silsbee plays the toughest schedule around here every year. Can someone post their accomplishments? I know HJ has 3 State Championships to Silsbee O....Think i would do whatever it is HJ and staff are doing. Don't think you getfor a ringu just because your opponents were tougher. Also, if Silsbee will play any team any where, then why No game 3, and [b]why did theyshe run from Sealy??[/b][/quote]Not sure I understand your theory of "running from Sealy" when Silsbee will be playing a team that swept Sealy in district by an average of 18 points. ::)BTW, I don't agree that Silsbee plays the toughest schedule around here every year.The team that plays the toughest schedule in this area is clearly Legacy Christian.
BLUEDOVE3 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1184597" timestamp="1330106778"][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96566.msg1184595#msg1184595 date=1330106645][quote author=Tebowing link=topic=96566.msg1184587#msg1184587 date=1330106269]HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships[/quote] All great accomplishments. But when was the last time a regional and State championship?[/quote]2007 State Champion2009 Regional Champion[/quote]Sounds good!
FanintheStands Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 [quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1184653" timestamp="1330110840"][quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=96566.msg1184597#msg1184597 date=1330106778][quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=96566.msg1184595#msg1184595 date=1330106645][quote author=Tebowing link=topic=96566.msg1184587#msg1184587 date=1330106269]HJ's WEAK SCHEDULE RESULTS ;) :D :D3 State Championships 7 Regional Championships 14 Area Championships 18 Bi-District Championships 25 District Championships[/quote] All great accomplishments. But when was the last time a regional and State championship?[/quote]2007 State Champion2009 Regional Champion[/quote]Sounds good![/quote]I would also point out that HJ has been to the Regional Tourney in Hunstville 5 years in a row (at least) with a record in said Tourney of 6 - 3. Silsbee runs a close 2nd in this feat having a record in Hunstville (4 trips in 5 years) of 5 - 2.That's pretty good stats coming out of 1 little district.... a combined record of 11 - 5 in the last 5 years!
stevenash Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Just did a quick check ( not a complete one) and Hj has played 5 teams that are still in the playoffs and3 of them are 4-a schools and it would have been 4 if Jacksonville had not lost to Lancaster in triple overtime playoff game. Either HJ schedule is not as bad as portrayed or playoffs are full of "patsy" teams.
Dick Vitale Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Well they ARE taking FOUR teams these days.... ::) ::) ;D
AggiesAreWe Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Silsbee has played a total of 15 teams that made the playoffs which 7 still remain. (Dallas Kimball, Dallas SOC, Ozen, Navasota, HJ, Pleasant Grove and Kountze)
stevenash Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 [quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1186144" timestamp="1330275183"]Well they ARE taking FOUR teams these days.... ::) ::) ;D[/quote]Unless Kingwood Park finished fourth in their District, none of those still alive were fourth place finishers
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