Hempstead ISD Fires Popular Coach

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falcon....I too got an A in logic...my argument goes like this, teens today feel that they are a world all to themselves and are not required to answer to anyone for their actions.  Perhaps you..at the ripe old age of 22...are too close to the fire I speak of to see the flame.

Your continual reference to "hippies" and "segregation" makes me think you are either stuck in a time warp or are channeling Cotton from King of the Hill.  I realize that every generation has its shortcomings...but since you weren't yet conceived when I graduated high school you simply have NO perspective on this. 

Since you are a man of logic (at least one class worth anyway, huh?!) you should know that your argument does not fit, a non-sequitur if you will.  Your contention is that kids today are no worse than they were in any other generation.  WRONG....look at teen incarceration figures (both those held as adults and as juveniles)...look at numbers in alternative programs.  I have taught and coached at every level....and junior high is the worst.  Kids now do not care...period.  You have no experience and no evidence to back your claims.  Come back when you have experienced a bit more of what the youth of today are really like.

Oh yeah.....one of my degrees is in Philosophy....lots of logic and ethics classes in my background.  :)
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First off the logic class comment was in response to you criticizing my logic, I wasn't trying to compare myself to you. It was more of a joke than a serious comment.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2581/4054143209_c841950bbb_o.png
This chart shows the decrease in violent juvenile crime from 95 to 08

http://www.lao.ca.gov/1995/050195_juv_crime/kk07.gif

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05200

These two charts show the decrease in juvenile arrest rates. In fact 2009 had the lowest juvenile arrest rate since the early 70s.

So we know juvenile crime is down, but lets look at teen pregnancy rates.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/08/teen-pregnancy-rates-reach-dramatic-40-year-low-in-us/

http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2012_04/cdc-teen-pregnancy-chart-2012.png?h=310&w=500

This chart shows teen pregnancy rates from 1960 to 2010, as you can see teen pregnancy is much lower today than it was in the 60s.

So now we know that juvenile crime rates and teen pregnancy rates are lower, now lets look at teen drug useage rates.

http://www.publicagenda.org/files/charts/ff_illegaldrugs_teen_drug_use.png

This chart shows teen drug useage from 75 to 06, as you can see teen drug useage also peaked in the mid 70s..

http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/44/2/7/embed/graphic-1.gif

This chart shows the decrease in teen smoking from 75 to 08. 

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/edinajo_1317230958_MSSdrinking.JPG

http://www.dontserveteens.gov/images/graph.png

These two charts shows the decrease in teen alcohol consumption.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779196.html

This chart shows the decrease in dropout rates from 60 to 09

So now we know that juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancy is down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, dropout rates are down, and teen alcohol consumption is down(the legal age for alcohol used to be 18 so that probably has something to do with thay decrease), but that's not all recently some prominent US citizens have shed some light on thier past.

The president is his book admitted to "attending class sparingly  drinking heavily, and using drugs enthusiastically"

A story came out that Mitt Romney held a "presumed gay kid down and cut his hair off( I am skeptical of this story).

Shawn Hannity said that there was a fight every day at his high school.

I don't know about your high school, but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe) we didn't have kids that never went to class, we didn have kids drastically bully other kids, and we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically.

So I guess you were right about one thing I don't have the experience, but I dang sure got the evidence. Looking at the facts I would say it is pretty clear that kid todays are not worse than they were in the past  actually according to the stats they are better. Today's kids are committing less crimes, having less babies, smoking less, drinking less using drugs less, and staying in school more than kids in the past.
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[quote]but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe)[/quote]
Idk what school you went to but both high schools i went to ( and i'm only 2 years older than you) there were fights every day and sometimes two or three fights in a day

[quote]we didn't have kids that never went to class[/quote]
seriously? did you go to a catholic school or something? my class started out at 394 our freshman year and by the time i left (middle of junior year) we had less than 300 left in school and my school i graduated from lost almost 50 kids in less than 2 years.

[quote]we didn have kids drastically bully other kids[/quote]
Vidor hit list about 7 years ago. Nuff said.

(if you don't know the story look it up)

[quote]we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically[/quote]
i'm seriously beginning to think you went to a catholic school or something man. Now a days its rare if you actually made it through high school without drinking or experimenting with drugs.

Now idk where you went to school at falcon but this is how it is in the two high schools i went to.
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Went to Huffman high school and yes we had very few fights, and the  fights we did have usually didn't happen on school grounds. If you missed more than 9 classes a semester you failed end of story.We did not have major bulling issues, of course some kids were picked on, but it was nothing drastic. We had very few kids that drank HEAVILY, and used drugs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Yes kids experimented, but that is different than doing it every day.

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falcon....I too got an A in logic...my argument goes like this, teens today feel that they are a world all to themselves and are not required to answer to anyone for their actions.  Perhaps you..at the ripe old age of 22...are too close to the fire I speak of to see the flame.

Your continual reference to "hippies" and "segregation" makes me think you are either stuck in a time warp or are channeling Cotton from King of the Hill.  I realize that every generation has its shortcomings...but since you weren't yet conceived when I graduated high school you simply have NO perspective on this. 

Since you are a man of logic (at least one class worth anyway, huh?!) you should know that your argument does not fit, a non-sequitur if you will.  Your contention is that kids today are no worse than they were in any other generation.  WRONG....look at teen incarceration figures (both those held as adults and as juveniles)...look at numbers in alternative programs.  I have taught and coached at every level....and junior high is the worst.  Kids now do not care...period.  You have no experience and no evidence to back your claims.  Come back when you have experienced a bit more of what the youth of today are really like.

Oh yeah.....one of my degrees is in Philosophy....lots of logic and ethics classes in my background.  :)
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First off the logic class comment was in response to you criticizing my logic, I wasn't trying to compare myself to you. It was more of a joke than a serious comment.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2581/4054143209_c841950bbb_o.png
This chart shows the decrease in violent juvenile crime from 95 to 08

http://www.lao.ca.gov/1995/050195_juv_crime/kk07.gif

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05200

These two charts show the decrease in juvenile arrest rates. In fact 2009 had the lowest juvenile arrest rate since the early 70s.

So we know juvenile crime is down, but lets look at teen pregnancy rates.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/08/teen-pregnancy-rates-reach-dramatic-40-year-low-in-us/

http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2012_04/cdc-teen-pregnancy-chart-2012.png?h=310&w=500

This chart shows teen pregnancy rates from 1960 to 2010, as you can see teen pregnancy is much lower today than it was in the 60s.

So now we know that juvenile crime rates and teen pregnancy rates are lower, now lets look at teen drug useage rates.

http://www.publicagenda.org/files/charts/ff_illegaldrugs_teen_drug_use.png

This chart shows teen drug useage from 75 to 06, as you can see teen drug useage also peaked in the mid 70s..

http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/44/2/7/embed/graphic-1.gif

This chart shows the decrease in teen smoking from 75 to 08. 

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/edinajo_1317230958_MSSdrinking.JPG

http://www.dontserveteens.gov/images/graph.png

These two charts shows the decrease in teen alcohol consumption.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779196.html

This chart shows the decrease in dropout rates from 60 to 09

So now we know that juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancy is down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, dropout rates are down, and teen alcohol consumption is down(the legal age for alcohol used to be 18 so that probably has something to do with thay decrease), but that's not all recently some prominent US citizens have shed some light on thier past.

The president is his book admitted to "attending class sparingly  drinking heavily, and using drugs enthusiastically"

A story came out that Mitt Romney held a "presumed gay kid down and cut his hair off( I am skeptical of this story).

Shawn Hannity said that there was a fight every day at his high school.

I don't know about your high school, but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe) we didn't have kids that never went to class, we didn have kids drastically bully other kids, and we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically.

So I guess you were right about one thing I don't have the experience, but I dang sure got the evidence. Looking at the facts I would say it is pretty clear that kid todays are not worse than they were in the past  actually according to the stats they are better. Today's kids are committing less crimes, having less babies, smoking less, drinking less using drugs less, and staying in school more than kids in the past.
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[quote]but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe)[/quote]
Idk what school you went to but both high schools i went to ( and i'm only 2 years older than you) there were fights every day and sometimes two or three fights in a day

[quote]we didn't have kids that never went to class[/quote]
seriously? did you go to a catholic school or something? my class started out at 394 our freshman year and by the time i left (middle of junior year) we had less than 300 left in school and my school i graduated from lost almost 50 kids in less than 2 years.

[quote]we didn have kids drastically bully other kids[/quote]
Vidor hit list about 7 years ago. Nuff said.

(if you don't know the story look it up)

[quote]we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically[/quote]
i'm seriously beginning to think you went to a catholic school or something man. Now a days its rare if you actually made it through high school without drinking or experimenting with drugs.

Now idk where you went to school at falcon but this is how it is in the two high schools i went to.
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Went to Huffman high school and yes we had very few fights, and the  fights we did have usually didn't happen on school grounds. If you missed more than 9 classes a semester you failed end of story.We did not have major bulling issues, of course some kids were picked on, but it was nothing drastic. We had very few kids that drank HEAVILY, and used drugs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Yes kids experimented, but that is different than doing it every day.
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Well no offense to you falcon but just because it has been your experience doesn't make it the only way it is. Maybe in small towns like huffman it is still like that but go to a big city school like beaumont or houston or dallas and you will see the difference. 30 years ago we didn't have cops giving out tickets to kids every day.

[falcolnfanatic]

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falcon....I too got an A in logic...my argument goes like this, teens today feel that they are a world all to themselves and are not required to answer to anyone for their actions.  Perhaps you..at the ripe old age of 22...are too close to the fire I speak of to see the flame.

Your continual reference to "hippies" and "segregation" makes me think you are either stuck in a time warp or are channeling Cotton from King of the Hill.  I realize that every generation has its shortcomings...but since you weren't yet conceived when I graduated high school you simply have NO perspective on this. 

Since you are a man of logic (at least one class worth anyway, huh?!) you should know that your argument does not fit, a non-sequitur if you will.  Your contention is that kids today are no worse than they were in any other generation.  WRONG....look at teen incarceration figures (both those held as adults and as juveniles)...look at numbers in alternative programs.  I have taught and coached at every level....and junior high is the worst.  Kids now do not care...period.  You have no experience and no evidence to back your claims.  Come back when you have experienced a bit more of what the youth of today are really like.

Oh yeah.....one of my degrees is in Philosophy....lots of logic and ethics classes in my background.  :)
[/quote]

First off the logic class comment was in response to you criticizing my logic, I wasn't trying to compare myself to you. It was more of a joke than a serious comment.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2581/4054143209_c841950bbb_o.png
This chart shows the decrease in violent juvenile crime from 95 to 08

http://www.lao.ca.gov/1995/050195_juv_crime/kk07.gif

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05200

These two charts show the decrease in juvenile arrest rates. In fact 2009 had the lowest juvenile arrest rate since the early 70s.

So we know juvenile crime is down, but lets look at teen pregnancy rates.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/08/teen-pregnancy-rates-reach-dramatic-40-year-low-in-us/

http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2012_04/cdc-teen-pregnancy-chart-2012.png?h=310&w=500

This chart shows teen pregnancy rates from 1960 to 2010, as you can see teen pregnancy is much lower today than it was in the 60s.

So now we know that juvenile crime rates and teen pregnancy rates are lower, now lets look at teen drug useage rates.

http://www.publicagenda.org/files/charts/ff_illegaldrugs_teen_drug_use.png

This chart shows teen drug useage from 75 to 06, as you can see teen drug useage also peaked in the mid 70s..

http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/44/2/7/embed/graphic-1.gif

This chart shows the decrease in teen smoking from 75 to 08. 

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/edinajo_1317230958_MSSdrinking.JPG

http://www.dontserveteens.gov/images/graph.png

These two charts shows the decrease in teen alcohol consumption.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779196.html

This chart shows the decrease in dropout rates from 60 to 09

So now we know that juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancy is down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, dropout rates are down, and teen alcohol consumption is down(the legal age for alcohol used to be 18 so that probably has something to do with thay decrease), but that's not all recently some prominent US citizens have shed some light on thier past.

The president is his book admitted to "attending class sparingly  drinking heavily, and using drugs enthusiastically"

A story came out that Mitt Romney held a "presumed gay kid down and cut his hair off( I am skeptical of this story).

Shawn Hannity said that there was a fight every day at his high school.

I don't know about your high school, but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe) we didn't have kids that never went to class, we didn have kids drastically bully other kids, and we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically.

So I guess you were right about one thing I don't have the experience, but I dang sure got the evidence. Looking at the facts I would say it is pretty clear that kid todays are not worse than they were in the past  actually according to the stats they are better. Today's kids are committing less crimes, having less babies, smoking less, drinking less using drugs less, and staying in school more than kids in the past.
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[quote]but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe)[/quote]
Idk what school you went to but both high schools i went to ( and i'm only 2 years older than you) there were fights every day and sometimes two or three fights in a day

[quote]we didn't have kids that never went to class[/quote]
seriously? did you go to a catholic school or something? my class started out at 394 our freshman year and by the time i left (middle of junior year) we had less than 300 left in school and my school i graduated from lost almost 50 kids in less than 2 years.

[quote]we didn have kids drastically bully other kids[/quote]
Vidor hit list about 7 years ago. Nuff said.

(if you don't know the story look it up)

[quote]we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically[/quote]
i'm seriously beginning to think you went to a catholic school or something man. Now a days its rare if you actually made it through high school without drinking or experimenting with drugs.

Now idk where you went to school at falcon but this is how it is in the two high schools i went to.
[/quote]

Went to Huffman high school and yes we had very few fights, and the  fights we did have usually didn't happen on school grounds. If you missed more than 9 classes a semester you failed end of story.We did not have major bulling issues, of course some kids were picked on, but it was nothing drastic. We had very few kids that drank HEAVILY, and used drugs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Yes kids experimented, but that is different than doing it every day.
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Well no offense to you falcon but just because it has been your experience doesn't make it the only way it is. Maybe in small towns like huffman it is still like that but go to a big city school like beaumont or houston or dallas and you will see the difference. 30 years ago we didn't have cops giving out tickets to kids every day.
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I never said it was the only way it is. I know the problems of inner city schools very well.

Btw maybe they should've had cops giving out tickets 30 years, because juvenile crime today is way down and whatever they're doing seems to be working.

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falcon....I too got an A in logic...my argument goes like this, teens today feel that they are a world all to themselves and are not required to answer to anyone for their actions.  Perhaps you..at the ripe old age of 22...are too close to the fire I speak of to see the flame.

Your continual reference to "hippies" and "segregation" makes me think you are either stuck in a time warp or are channeling Cotton from King of the Hill.  I realize that every generation has its shortcomings...but since you weren't yet conceived when I graduated high school you simply have NO perspective on this. 

Since you are a man of logic (at least one class worth anyway, huh?!) you should know that your argument does not fit, a non-sequitur if you will.  Your contention is that kids today are no worse than they were in any other generation.  WRONG....look at teen incarceration figures (both those held as adults and as juveniles)...look at numbers in alternative programs.  I have taught and coached at every level....and junior high is the worst.  Kids now do not care...period.  You have no experience and no evidence to back your claims.  Come back when you have experienced a bit more of what the youth of today are really like.

Oh yeah.....one of my degrees is in Philosophy....lots of logic and ethics classes in my background.  :)
[/quote]

First off the logic class comment was in response to you criticizing my logic, I wasn't trying to compare myself to you. It was more of a joke than a serious comment.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2581/4054143209_c841950bbb_o.png
This chart shows the decrease in violent juvenile crime from 95 to 08

http://www.lao.ca.gov/1995/050195_juv_crime/kk07.gif

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05200

These two charts show the decrease in juvenile arrest rates. In fact 2009 had the lowest juvenile arrest rate since the early 70s.

So we know juvenile crime is down, but lets look at teen pregnancy rates.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/08/teen-pregnancy-rates-reach-dramatic-40-year-low-in-us/

http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2012_04/cdc-teen-pregnancy-chart-2012.png?h=310&w=500

This chart shows teen pregnancy rates from 1960 to 2010, as you can see teen pregnancy is much lower today than it was in the 60s.

So now we know that juvenile crime rates and teen pregnancy rates are lower, now lets look at teen drug useage rates.

http://www.publicagenda.org/files/charts/ff_illegaldrugs_teen_drug_use.png

This chart shows teen drug useage from 75 to 06, as you can see teen drug useage also peaked in the mid 70s..

http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/44/2/7/embed/graphic-1.gif

This chart shows the decrease in teen smoking from 75 to 08. 

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/edinajo_1317230958_MSSdrinking.JPG

http://www.dontserveteens.gov/images/graph.png

These two charts shows the decrease in teen alcohol consumption.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779196.html

This chart shows the decrease in dropout rates from 60 to 09

So now we know that juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancy is down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, dropout rates are down, and teen alcohol consumption is down(the legal age for alcohol used to be 18 so that probably has something to do with thay decrease), but that's not all recently some prominent US citizens have shed some light on thier past.

The president is his book admitted to "attending class sparingly  drinking heavily, and using drugs enthusiastically"

A story came out that Mitt Romney held a "presumed gay kid down and cut his hair off( I am skeptical of this story).

Shawn Hannity said that there was a fight every day at his high school.

I don't know about your high school, but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe) we didn't have kids that never went to class, we didn have kids drastically bully other kids, and we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically.

So I guess you were right about one thing I don't have the experience, but I dang sure got the evidence. Looking at the facts I would say it is pretty clear that kid todays are not worse than they were in the past  actually according to the stats they are better. Today's kids are committing less crimes, having less babies, smoking less, drinking less using drugs less, and staying in school more than kids in the past.
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[quote]but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe)[/quote]
Idk what school you went to but both high schools i went to ( and i'm only 2 years older than you) there were fights every day and sometimes two or three fights in a day

[quote]we didn't have kids that never went to class[/quote]
seriously? did you go to a catholic school or something? my class started out at 394 our freshman year and by the time i left (middle of junior year) we had less than 300 left in school and my school i graduated from lost almost 50 kids in less than 2 years.

[quote]we didn have kids drastically bully other kids[/quote]
Vidor hit list about 7 years ago. Nuff said.

(if you don't know the story look it up)

[quote]we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically[/quote]
i'm seriously beginning to think you went to a catholic school or something man. Now a days its rare if you actually made it through high school without drinking or experimenting with drugs.

Now idk where you went to school at falcon but this is how it is in the two high schools i went to.
[/quote]

Went to Huffman high school and yes we had very few fights, and the  fights we did have usually didn't happen on school grounds. If you missed more than 9 classes a semester you failed end of story.We did not have major bulling issues, of course some kids were picked on, but it was nothing drastic. We had very few kids that drank HEAVILY, and used drugs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Yes kids experimented, but that is different than doing it every day.
[/quote]
Well no offense to you falcon but just because it has been your experience doesn't make it the only way it is. Maybe in small towns like huffman it is still like that but go to a big city school like beaumont or houston or dallas and you will see the difference. 30 years ago we didn't have cops giving out tickets to kids every day.
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I never said it was the only way it is. [b]I know the problems of inner city schools very well.[/b]

Btw maybe they should've had cops giving out tickets 30 years, because juvenile crime today is way down and whatever they're doing seems to be working.
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Obviously you don't.  ::)

Or do you simply choose to ignore them.

[jenks]

Thats a shame to loose his job over something easily preventable.

[falcolnfanatic]

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falcon....I too got an A in logic...my argument goes like this, teens today feel that they are a world all to themselves and are not required to answer to anyone for their actions.  Perhaps you..at the ripe old age of 22...are too close to the fire I speak of to see the flame.

Your continual reference to "hippies" and "segregation" makes me think you are either stuck in a time warp or are channeling Cotton from King of the Hill.  I realize that every generation has its shortcomings...but since you weren't yet conceived when I graduated high school you simply have NO perspective on this. 

Since you are a man of logic (at least one class worth anyway, huh?!) you should know that your argument does not fit, a non-sequitur if you will.  Your contention is that kids today are no worse than they were in any other generation.  WRONG....look at teen incarceration figures (both those held as adults and as juveniles)...look at numbers in alternative programs.  I have taught and coached at every level....and junior high is the worst.  Kids now do not care...period.  You have no experience and no evidence to back your claims.  Come back when you have experienced a bit more of what the youth of today are really like.

Oh yeah.....one of my degrees is in Philosophy....lots of logic and ethics classes in my background.  :)
[/quote]

First off the logic class comment was in response to you criticizing my logic, I wasn't trying to compare myself to you. It was more of a joke than a serious comment.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2581/4054143209_c841950bbb_o.png
This chart shows the decrease in violent juvenile crime from 95 to 08

http://www.lao.ca.gov/1995/050195_juv_crime/kk07.gif

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05200

These two charts show the decrease in juvenile arrest rates. In fact 2009 had the lowest juvenile arrest rate since the early 70s.

So we know juvenile crime is down, but lets look at teen pregnancy rates.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/08/teen-pregnancy-rates-reach-dramatic-40-year-low-in-us/

http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2012_04/cdc-teen-pregnancy-chart-2012.png?h=310&w=500

This chart shows teen pregnancy rates from 1960 to 2010, as you can see teen pregnancy is much lower today than it was in the 60s.

So now we know that juvenile crime rates and teen pregnancy rates are lower, now lets look at teen drug useage rates.

http://www.publicagenda.org/files/charts/ff_illegaldrugs_teen_drug_use.png

This chart shows teen drug useage from 75 to 06, as you can see teen drug useage also peaked in the mid 70s..

http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/44/2/7/embed/graphic-1.gif

This chart shows the decrease in teen smoking from 75 to 08. 

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/edinajo_1317230958_MSSdrinking.JPG

http://www.dontserveteens.gov/images/graph.png

These two charts shows the decrease in teen alcohol consumption.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779196.html

This chart shows the decrease in dropout rates from 60 to 09

So now we know that juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancy is down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, dropout rates are down, and teen alcohol consumption is down(the legal age for alcohol used to be 18 so that probably has something to do with thay decrease), but that's not all recently some prominent US citizens have shed some light on thier past.

The president is his book admitted to "attending class sparingly  drinking heavily, and using drugs enthusiastically"

A story came out that Mitt Romney held a "presumed gay kid down and cut his hair off( I am skeptical of this story).

Shawn Hannity said that there was a fight every day at his high school.

I don't know about your high school, but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe) we didn't have kids that never went to class, we didn have kids drastically bully other kids, and we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically.

So I guess you were right about one thing I don't have the experience, but I dang sure got the evidence. Looking at the facts I would say it is pretty clear that kid todays are not worse than they were in the past  actually according to the stats they are better. Today's kids are committing less crimes, having less babies, smoking less, drinking less using drugs less, and staying in school more than kids in the past.
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[quote]but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe)[/quote]
Idk what school you went to but both high schools i went to ( and i'm only 2 years older than you) there were fights every day and sometimes two or three fights in a day

[quote]we didn't have kids that never went to class[/quote]
seriously? did you go to a catholic school or something? my class started out at 394 our freshman year and by the time i left (middle of junior year) we had less than 300 left in school and my school i graduated from lost almost 50 kids in less than 2 years.

[quote]we didn have kids drastically bully other kids[/quote]
Vidor hit list about 7 years ago. Nuff said.

(if you don't know the story look it up)

[quote]we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically[/quote]
i'm seriously beginning to think you went to a catholic school or something man. Now a days its rare if you actually made it through high school without drinking or experimenting with drugs.

Now idk where you went to school at falcon but this is how it is in the two high schools i went to.
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Went to Huffman high school and yes we had very few fights, and the  fights we did have usually didn't happen on school grounds. If you missed more than 9 classes a semester you failed end of story.We did not have major bulling issues, of course some kids were picked on, but it was nothing drastic. We had very few kids that drank HEAVILY, and used drugs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Yes kids experimented, but that is different than doing it every day.
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Well no offense to you falcon but just because it has been your experience doesn't make it the only way it is. Maybe in small towns like huffman it is still like that but go to a big city school like beaumont or houston or dallas and you will see the difference. 30 years ago we didn't have cops giving out tickets to kids every day.
[/quote]

I never said it was the only way it is. [b]I know the problems of inner city schools very well.[/b]

Btw maybe they should've had cops giving out tickets 30 years, because juvenile crime today is way down and whatever they're doing seems to be working.
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Obviously you don't.  ::)

Or do you simply choose to ignore them.
[/quote]

How so ??? Where did I say there weren't problems in schools? Maybe you need to reread my post.

The only thing I have ever said is the kids today are no worse than kids in the past, and the facts support that.

[mytwocents-28]

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falcon....I too got an A in logic...my argument goes like this, teens today feel that they are a world all to themselves and are not required to answer to anyone for their actions.  Perhaps you..at the ripe old age of 22...are too close to the fire I speak of to see the flame.

Your continual reference to "hippies" and "segregation" makes me think you are either stuck in a time warp or are channeling Cotton from King of the Hill.  I realize that every generation has its shortcomings...but since you weren't yet conceived when I graduated high school you simply have NO perspective on this. 

Since you are a man of logic (at least one class worth anyway, huh?!) you should know that your argument does not fit, a non-sequitur if you will.  Your contention is that kids today are no worse than they were in any other generation.  WRONG....look at teen incarceration figures (both those held as adults and as juveniles)...look at numbers in alternative programs.  I have taught and coached at every level....and junior high is the worst.  Kids now do not care...period.  You have no experience and no evidence to back your claims.  Come back when you have experienced a bit more of what the youth of today are really like.

Oh yeah.....one of my degrees is in Philosophy....lots of logic and ethics classes in my background.  :)
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First off the logic class comment was in response to you criticizing my logic, I wasn't trying to compare myself to you. It was more of a joke than a serious comment.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2581/4054143209_c841950bbb_o.png
This chart shows the decrease in violent juvenile crime from 95 to 08

http://www.lao.ca.gov/1995/050195_juv_crime/kk07.gif

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05200

These two charts show the decrease in juvenile arrest rates. In fact 2009 had the lowest juvenile arrest rate since the early 70s.

So we know juvenile crime is down, but lets look at teen pregnancy rates.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/08/teen-pregnancy-rates-reach-dramatic-40-year-low-in-us/

http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2012_04/cdc-teen-pregnancy-chart-2012.png?h=310&w=500

This chart shows teen pregnancy rates from 1960 to 2010, as you can see teen pregnancy is much lower today than it was in the 60s.

So now we know that juvenile crime rates and teen pregnancy rates are lower, now lets look at teen drug useage rates.

http://www.publicagenda.org/files/charts/ff_illegaldrugs_teen_drug_use.png

This chart shows teen drug useage from 75 to 06, as you can see teen drug useage also peaked in the mid 70s..

http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/44/2/7/embed/graphic-1.gif

This chart shows the decrease in teen smoking from 75 to 08. 

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/edinajo_1317230958_MSSdrinking.JPG

http://www.dontserveteens.gov/images/graph.png

These two charts shows the decrease in teen alcohol consumption.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779196.html

This chart shows the decrease in dropout rates from 60 to 09

So now we know that juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancy is down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, dropout rates are down, and teen alcohol consumption is down(the legal age for alcohol used to be 18 so that probably has something to do with thay decrease), but that's not all recently some prominent US citizens have shed some light on thier past.

The president is his book admitted to "attending class sparingly  drinking heavily, and using drugs enthusiastically"

A story came out that Mitt Romney held a "presumed gay kid down and cut his hair off( I am skeptical of this story).

Shawn Hannity said that there was a fight every day at his high school.

I don't know about your high school, but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe) we didn't have kids that never went to class, we didn have kids drastically bully other kids, and we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically.

So I guess you were right about one thing I don't have the experience, but I dang sure got the evidence. Looking at the facts I would say it is pretty clear that kid todays are not worse than they were in the past  actually according to the stats they are better. Today's kids are committing less crimes, having less babies, smoking less, drinking less using drugs less, and staying in school more than kids in the past.
[/quote]

[quote]but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe)[/quote]
Idk what school you went to but both high schools i went to ( and i'm only 2 years older than you) there were fights every day and sometimes two or three fights in a day

[quote]we didn't have kids that never went to class[/quote]
seriously? did you go to a catholic school or something? my class started out at 394 our freshman year and by the time i left (middle of junior year) we had less than 300 left in school and my school i graduated from lost almost 50 kids in less than 2 years.

[quote]we didn have kids drastically bully other kids[/quote]
Vidor hit list about 7 years ago. Nuff said.

(if you don't know the story look it up)

[quote]we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically[/quote]
i'm seriously beginning to think you went to a catholic school or something man. Now a days its rare if you actually made it through high school without drinking or experimenting with drugs.

Now idk where you went to school at falcon but this is how it is in the two high schools i went to.
[/quote]

Went to Huffman high school and yes we had very few fights, and the  fights we did have usually didn't happen on school grounds. If you missed more than 9 classes a semester you failed end of story.We did not have major bulling issues, of course some kids were picked on, but it was nothing drastic. We had very few kids that drank HEAVILY, and used drugs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Yes kids experimented, but that is different than doing it every day.
[/quote]
Well no offense to you falcon but just because it has been your experience doesn't make it the only way it is. Maybe in small towns like huffman it is still like that but go to a big city school like beaumont or houston or dallas and you will see the difference. 30 years ago we didn't have cops giving out tickets to kids every day.
[/quote]

I never said it was the only way it is. [b]I know the problems of inner city schools very well.[/b]

Btw maybe they should've had cops giving out tickets 30 years, because juvenile crime today is way down and whatever they're doing seems to be working.
[/quote]
Obviously you don't.  ::)

Or do you simply choose to ignore them.
[/quote]

How so ??? Where did I say there weren't problems in schools? Maybe you need to reread my post.

The only thing I have ever said is the kids today are no worse than kids in the past, and the facts support that.
[/quote]
And if you truly believe that then you are beyond help and this conversation is over.

[falcolnfanatic]

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falcon....I too got an A in logic...my argument goes like this, teens today feel that they are a world all to themselves and are not required to answer to anyone for their actions.  Perhaps you..at the ripe old age of 22...are too close to the fire I speak of to see the flame.

Your continual reference to "hippies" and "segregation" makes me think you are either stuck in a time warp or are channeling Cotton from King of the Hill.  I realize that every generation has its shortcomings...but since you weren't yet conceived when I graduated high school you simply have NO perspective on this. 

Since you are a man of logic (at least one class worth anyway, huh?!) you should know that your argument does not fit, a non-sequitur if you will.  Your contention is that kids today are no worse than they were in any other generation.  WRONG....look at teen incarceration figures (both those held as adults and as juveniles)...look at numbers in alternative programs.  I have taught and coached at every level....and junior high is the worst.  Kids now do not care...period.  You have no experience and no evidence to back your claims.  Come back when you have experienced a bit more of what the youth of today are really like.

Oh yeah.....one of my degrees is in Philosophy....lots of logic and ethics classes in my background.  :)
[/quote]

First off the logic class comment was in response to you criticizing my logic, I wasn't trying to compare myself to you. It was more of a joke than a serious comment.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2581/4054143209_c841950bbb_o.png
This chart shows the decrease in violent juvenile crime from 95 to 08

http://www.lao.ca.gov/1995/050195_juv_crime/kk07.gif

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR_Display.asp?ID=qa05200

These two charts show the decrease in juvenile arrest rates. In fact 2009 had the lowest juvenile arrest rate since the early 70s.

So we know juvenile crime is down, but lets look at teen pregnancy rates.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/02/08/teen-pregnancy-rates-reach-dramatic-40-year-low-in-us/

http://media.reason.com/mc/_external/2012_04/cdc-teen-pregnancy-chart-2012.png?h=310&w=500

This chart shows teen pregnancy rates from 1960 to 2010, as you can see teen pregnancy is much lower today than it was in the 60s.

So now we know that juvenile crime rates and teen pregnancy rates are lower, now lets look at teen drug useage rates.

http://www.publicagenda.org/files/charts/ff_illegaldrugs_teen_drug_use.png

This chart shows teen drug useage from 75 to 06, as you can see teen drug useage also peaked in the mid 70s..

http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/44/2/7/embed/graphic-1.gif

This chart shows the decrease in teen smoking from 75 to 08. 

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/edinajo_1317230958_MSSdrinking.JPG

http://www.dontserveteens.gov/images/graph.png

These two charts shows the decrease in teen alcohol consumption.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0779196.html

This chart shows the decrease in dropout rates from 60 to 09

So now we know that juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancy is down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, dropout rates are down, and teen alcohol consumption is down(the legal age for alcohol used to be 18 so that probably has something to do with thay decrease), but that's not all recently some prominent US citizens have shed some light on thier past.

The president is his book admitted to "attending class sparingly  drinking heavily, and using drugs enthusiastically"

A story came out that Mitt Romney held a "presumed gay kid down and cut his hair off( I am skeptical of this story).

Shawn Hannity said that there was a fight every day at his high school.

I don't know about your high school, but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe) we didn't have kids that never went to class, we didn have kids drastically bully other kids, and we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically.

So I guess you were right about one thing I don't have the experience, but I dang sure got the evidence. Looking at the facts I would say it is pretty clear that kid todays are not worse than they were in the past  actually according to the stats they are better. Today's kids are committing less crimes, having less babies, smoking less, drinking less using drugs less, and staying in school more than kids in the past.
[/quote]

[quote]but at mine we didn't have a fight every day(try once a month maybe)[/quote]
Idk what school you went to but both high schools i went to ( and i'm only 2 years older than you) there were fights every day and sometimes two or three fights in a day

[quote]we didn't have kids that never went to class[/quote]
seriously? did you go to a catholic school or something? my class started out at 394 our freshman year and by the time i left (middle of junior year) we had less than 300 left in school and my school i graduated from lost almost 50 kids in less than 2 years.

[quote]we didn have kids drastically bully other kids[/quote]
Vidor hit list about 7 years ago. Nuff said.

(if you don't know the story look it up)

[quote]we had very few kids that drank heavily and used drugs enthusiastically[/quote]
i'm seriously beginning to think you went to a catholic school or something man. Now a days its rare if you actually made it through high school without drinking or experimenting with drugs.

Now idk where you went to school at falcon but this is how it is in the two high schools i went to.
[/quote]

Went to Huffman high school and yes we had very few fights, and the  fights we did have usually didn't happen on school grounds. If you missed more than 9 classes a semester you failed end of story.We did not have major bulling issues, of course some kids were picked on, but it was nothing drastic. We had very few kids that drank HEAVILY, and used drugs ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Yes kids experimented, but that is different than doing it every day.
[/quote]
Well no offense to you falcon but just because it has been your experience doesn't make it the only way it is. Maybe in small towns like huffman it is still like that but go to a big city school like beaumont or houston or dallas and you will see the difference. 30 years ago we didn't have cops giving out tickets to kids every day.
[/quote]

I never said it was the only way it is. [b]I know the problems of inner city schools very well.[/b]

Btw maybe they should've had cops giving out tickets 30 years, because juvenile crime today is way down and whatever they're doing seems to be working.
[/quote]
Obviously you don't.  ::)

Or do you simply choose to ignore them.
[/quote]

How so ??? Where did I say there weren't problems in schools? Maybe you need to reread my post.

The only thing I have ever said is the kids today are no worse than kids in the past, and the facts support that.
[/quote]
And if you truly believe that then you are beyond help and this conversation is over.
[/quote]

Look juvenile crime is down, teen pregnancies are down, dropout rates are down, teen drug use is down, teen smoking is down, and teen alcohol consumption is down, so how exactly are kids today worse?