Top 10 players in 2013 in SETX???

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226592" timestamp="1338211250"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1
link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207]
DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list.
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You know who I am talking about!! Thanks.
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870]
Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::)

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Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield
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I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens.
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Yep, once every five years.  Does the kid from Memorial who moved to Silsbee, stayed a few months and then moved back, count as a move in at Memorial?

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226592" timestamp="1338211250"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1
link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207]
DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list.
[/quote]
You know who I am talking about!! Thanks.
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870]
Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::)

[/quote]

Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield
[/quote]
I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens.
[/quote]Just checking, my man!  8) 8)

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226632" timestamp="1338225372"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226592#msg1226592 date=1338211250]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1
link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207]
DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list.
[/quote]
You know who I am talking about!! Thanks.
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870]
Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::)

[/quote]

Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield
[/quote]
I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens.
[/quote]

Yep, once every five years.  Does the kid from Memorial who moved to Silsbee, stayed a few months and then moved back, count as a move in at Memorial?
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How about this FACT....LINCOLN NEVER HAD A PLAYER TO "MOVE IN".....NOT ONE...7 State Championships...go figure....So, stevenash....what was the reason for THEIR dominance, in your estimation?  I mean since the "cheat" factor has been totally taken away and all.... ::)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226751" timestamp="1338297067"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226632#msg1226632 date=1338225372]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226592#msg1226592 date=1338211250]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1
link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207]
DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list.
[/quote]
You know who I am talking about!! Thanks.
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870]
Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::)

[/quote]

Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield
[/quote]
I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens.
[/quote]

Yep, once every five years.  Does the kid from Memorial who moved to Silsbee, stayed a few months and then moved back, count as a move in at Memorial?
[/quote]
How about this FACT....LINCOLN NEVER HAD A PLAYER TO "MOVE IN".....NOT ONE...7 State Championships...go figure....So, stevenash....what was the reason for THEIR dominance, in your estimation?  I mean since the "cheat" factor has been totally taken away and all.... ::)
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Nobody ever accused Lincoln of having move ins.  It is simply your way of trying to move off topic.  Lincoln had a basketball culture where the number one priority was basketball and virtually every kid growing up aspired to be good at basketball.  Same true of baseball at Bridge City. 

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226760" timestamp="1338299437"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226751#msg1226751 date=1338297067]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226632#msg1226632 date=1338225372]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226592#msg1226592 date=1338211250]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1
link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207]
DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list.
[/quote]
You know who I am talking about!! Thanks.
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870]
Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::)

[/quote]

Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield
[/quote]
I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens.
[/quote]

Yep, once every five years.  Does the kid from Memorial who moved to Silsbee, stayed a few months and then moved back, count as a move in at Memorial?
[/quote]
How about this FACT....LINCOLN NEVER HAD A PLAYER TO "MOVE IN".....NOT ONE...7 State Championships...go figure....So, stevenash....what was the reason for THEIR dominance, in your estimation?  I mean since the "cheat" factor has been totally taken away and all.... ::)
[/quote]

Nobody ever accused Lincoln of having move ins.  It is simply your way of trying to move off topic.  Lincoln had a basketball culture where the number one priority was basketball and virtually every kid growing up aspired to be good at basketball.  Same true of baseball at Bridge City. 
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Nope. Just wanted to know if you felt the same way about Lincoln as you do about Yates, without any evidence of the "cheating" factor... ::)

[stevenash]

Lincoln was, from my perspective, very legitimate in their pursuit/achievement of basketball excellence.  It VERY OBVIOUSLY is not the same way at Yates or Kimball.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226776" timestamp="1338300981"]
Lincoln was, from my perspective, very legitimate in their pursuit/achievement of basketball excellence.  It VERY OBVIOUSLY is not the same way at Yates or Kimball.
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Kimball, yes I see your point...Yates....NAME ONE ILLEGAL TRANSFER....Go ahead..take your time...I'll wait.... ::) ::) ::)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226790" timestamp="1338301861"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226776#msg1226776 date=1338300981]
Lincoln was, from my perspective, very legitimate in their pursuit/achievement of basketball excellence.  It VERY OBVIOUSLY is not the same way at Yates or Kimball.
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Kimball, yes I see your point...Yates....NAME ONE ILLEGAL TRANSFER....Go ahead..take your time...I'll wait.... ::) ::) ::)
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First we must define illegal.  If we find that word won't work, we can most certainly use unethical.

[Dick Vitale]

OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226806" timestamp="1338303507"]
OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)
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Unworthy of a response

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226812" timestamp="1338304283"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507]
OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)
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Unworthy of a response
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UNABLE to respond is more like it...

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226822" timestamp="1338305387"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507]
OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)
[/quote]

Unworthy of a response
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UNABLE to respond is more like it...
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You are right because I dont know the names of the players. 

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226834" timestamp="1338306746"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507]
OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)
[/quote]

Unworthy of a response
[/quote]
UNABLE to respond is more like it...
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You are right because I dont know the names of the players. 
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I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226841" timestamp="1338308490"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226834#msg1226834 date=1338306746]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507]
OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)
[/quote]

Unworthy of a response
[/quote]
UNABLE to respond is more like it...
[/quote]

You are right because I dont know the names of the players. 
[/quote]
I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;)
[/quote]

Why not- You used plenty of it in the Trayvon Martin case?  My "instincts" and" what I [b]know[/b]" are EVERY bit as good as yours

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226857" timestamp="1338310809"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226841#msg1226841 date=1338308490]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226834#msg1226834 date=1338306746]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507]
OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)
[/quote]

Unworthy of a response
[/quote]
UNABLE to respond is more like it...
[/quote]

You are right because I dont know the names of the players. 
[/quote]
I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;)
[/quote]

Why not- You used plenty of it in the Trayvon Martin case?  My "instincts" and" what I [b]know[/b]" are EVERY bit as good as yours
[/quote]
Not in this case...I happen to KNOW and you are allowing hearsay to cloud your judgement...THATS the difference.

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226884" timestamp="1338313485"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226857#msg1226857 date=1338310809]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226841#msg1226841 date=1338308490]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226834#msg1226834 date=1338306746]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507]
OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)
[/quote]

Unworthy of a response
[/quote]
UNABLE to respond is more like it...
[/quote]

You are right because I dont know the names of the players. 
[/quote]
I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;)
[/quote]

Why not- You used plenty of it in the Trayvon Martin case?  My "instincts" and" what I [b]know[/b]" are EVERY bit as good as yours
[/quote]
Not in this case...I happen to KNOW and you are allowing hearsay to cloud your judgement...THATS the difference.
[/quote]

Read what you just said.  You  don't know jack#$%^ about the Martin case.  Yet you sit there and declare that ONLY YOU, in your divine wisdom, "know" things and the rest of us simply are not as enlightened.  NOBODY believes you but you.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1226889" timestamp="1338313691"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226884#msg1226884 date=1338313485]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226857#msg1226857 date=1338310809]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226841#msg1226841 date=1338308490]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226834#msg1226834 date=1338306746]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507]
OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::)
[/quote]

Unworthy of a response
[/quote]
UNABLE to respond is more like it...
[/quote]

You are right because I dont know the names of the players. 
[/quote]
I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;)
[/quote]

Why not- You used plenty of it in the Trayvon Martin case?  My "instincts" and" what I [b]know[/b]" are EVERY bit as good as yours
[/quote]
Not in this case...I happen to KNOW and you are allowing hearsay to cloud your judgement...THATS the difference.
[/quote]

Read what you just said.  You  don't know jack#$%^ about the Martin case.  Yet you sit there and declare that ONLY YOU, in your divine wisdom, "know" things and the rest of us simply are not as enlightened.  NOBODY believes you but you.
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You have NO IDEA as to what I do or do not know...I DO know that all of you people are dead wrong about any "unethical" practies going on within the Yates basketball program. No more unethical than HJ....I happen to KNOW JACK%$%$ about that part...

[stevenash]

Nor do you know what I know or don't know.  Oh, and by the way.  You never acknowledge what was going on at Kimball until after it could no longer be hidden at which time you suddenly declared that "everybody knew about it".

[Dick Vitale]

I NEVER denied that Dallas Kimball was dirty...NEVER...I have always contended that YATES HS was not recruitig kids or doing anything else "unethical" as you put it...

[stevenash]

It wont take that long to find out.  Trust me, they are being watched quite a bit more closely than they have been in the past.  After the current stable of players leaves the school, if they keep winning state titles while being scrutinized, then I will have no argument.  If they don't then we will both know what really took place.

[Dick Vitale]

In that case, I can say that about HJ...You guys are regulars at least in HUNTSVILLE, so if you don't make it back to regionals should I have my convictions about how you guys had been so successful, then fell off? Of course not...Since Greg Wise arrived at Yates in 2008, they went to the regional finals in 08, state champs in 09 and 10, regional semi finals in 11, and state finalist in 12...I doubt they will do anything less than regionals for the next few years, so they seem fairly consistent, wouldn't you say?

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226941" timestamp="1338319943"]
In that case, I can say that about HJ...You guys are regulars at least in HUNTSVILLE, so if you don't make it back to regionals should I have my convictions about how you guys had been so successful, then fell off? Of course not...Since Greg Wise arrived at Yates in 2008, they went to the regional finals in 08, state champs in 09 and 10, regional semi finals in 11, and state finalist in 12...I doubt they will do anything less than regionals for the next few years, so they seem fairly consistent, wouldn't you say?
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Hmmm- I wonder why that same record wasnt around before 2008?  My guess is that the prior Yates coach did not coach AAU ball where many of his players just coincidentally wound up at Yates.  Drop the HJ gambit.  It doesnt relate at all and nobody honors that theory but you.

[Dick Vitale]

Prior to 2008 they had a coach that was FIRED FOR PLAYING INELIGIBLE PLAYERS....Coincidentally that same coach won a 4A state title in 1998 at Houston Waltrip...Remember the Puerto Rican kid in 1999 that was deemed ineligible due to being to old? Yeah...THAT was his coach....Greg Wise came INTO a messy situation, yet no one has found anything wrong with what he has done except naysayers that don't know much about what is the real deal....I relate HJ because they are just as guilty as Yates is...That could mean NOT GUILTY of anything, but the only thing we can go by is the fact that the UIL says both are in compliance....Right? ;)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1227002" timestamp="1338328743"]
Prior to 2008 they had a coach that was FIRED FOR PLAYING INELIGIBLE PLAYERS....Coincidentally that same coach won a 4A state title in 1998 at Houston Waltrip...Remember the Puerto Rican kid in 1999 that was deemed ineligible due to being to old? Yeah...THAT was his coach....Greg Wise came INTO a messy situation, yet no one has found anything wrong with what he has done except naysayers that don't know much about what is the real deal....I relate HJ because they are just as guilty as Yates is...That could mean NOT GUILTY of anything, but the only thing we can go by is the fact that the UIL says both are in compliance....Right? ;)
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Then that means that Wise is getting it done on superior coaching ability- He "knows" things that nobody else does and it is just coincidental that the talent level never changes each year-  how convenient- and, of course, coaching other players in AAU ball NEVER brings players to Yates who otherwise would not consider it

[Dick Vitale]

He went to Austin w/ FB Hightower 3 times...And now 3 times at Yates winning two....I would say that he is getting it done wouldn't you? Coincidence? I doubt that...The talent IS coming to Yates now that it has been built...Just as it appears at HJ...Does the talent level dip there? Not much...why does it have to just fall off at Yates....Did it fall off at Lincoln? Ozen? Silsbee? Why Yates?