21-3A -Fight for 2nd place Spot- Running From Yates!!!

[AggiesAreWe]

I think Silsbee will get first crack at Yates (cause I think Silsbee will win district, but will not be surprised if they didn't). I would look forward to that match up. Curious to see how the Tigers stack up against the Lions.

I do know this, if Silsbee were to beat Yates (or if the game was close), Dove would come with a host of excuses like he did when Silsbee lost to 4A #1 Galveston Ball 84-82 a couple of years ago. Dove predicted Ball to win by over 20.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1228559" timestamp="1338905294"]
I think Silsbee will get first crack at Yates (cause I think Silsbee will win district, but will not be surprised if they didn't). I would look forward to that match up. Curious to see how the Tigers stack up against the Lions.

I do know this, if Silsbee were to beat Yates (or if the game was close), Dove would come with a host of excuses like he did when Silsbee lost to 4A #1 Galveston Ball 84-82 a couple of years ago. Dove predicted Ball to win by over 20.
[/quote] I was there. I saw the Silsbee vs Ball game. It happens all the time in sports. The highly ranked team comes in to play ball and with nothing to prove. The Silsbee Tigers a good local team want to prove they are as good as the big boys. Silsbee had more incentive. This scenario happens in sports all the time. Lamar vs Duke (2000?) At the half, LU was right there with Duke. Duke played LU at a lower intensity level.  When Duke played Kansas (?) the next round, Duke's intensity level was way higher against Kansas than LU.  ;) It happens all the time in sports.  This will be an advantage if Silsbee or HJ make it that far  ;)

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1228565" timestamp="1338906379"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228559#msg1228559 date=1338905294]
I think Silsbee will get first crack at Yates (cause I think Silsbee will win district, but will not be surprised if they didn't). I would look forward to that match up. Curious to see how the Tigers stack up against the Lions.

I do know this, if Silsbee were to beat Yates (or if the game was close), Dove would come with a host of excuses like he did when Silsbee lost to 4A #1 Galveston Ball 84-82 a couple of years ago. Dove predicted Ball to win by over 20.
[/quote] I was there. I saw the Silsbee vs Ball game. It happens all the time in sports. The highly ranked team comes in to play ball and with nothing to prove. The Silsbee Tigers a good local team want to prove they are as good as the big boys. Silsbee had more incentive. This scenario happens in sports all the time. Lamar vs Duke (2000?) At the half, LU was right there with Duke. Duke played LU at a lower intensity level.  When Duke played Kansas (?) the next round, Duke's intensity level was way higher against Kansas than LU.  ;) It happens all the time in sports.  This will be an advantage if Silsbee or HJ make it that far  ;)
[/quote]
I watched that game too. Galveston Ball did not 'hold back' or 'play down'. It was an intense ge from start to finish. If it had been a 5 game series, Silsbee wins 2 of 5, IMO.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1228577" timestamp="1338907994"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1228565#msg1228565 date=1338906379]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228559#msg1228559 date=1338905294]
I think Silsbee will get first crack at Yates (cause I think Silsbee will win district, but will not be surprised if they didn't). I would look forward to that match up. Curious to see how the Tigers stack up against the Lions.

I do know this, if Silsbee were to beat Yates (or if the game was close), Dove would come with a host of excuses like he did when Silsbee lost to 4A #1 Galveston Ball 84-82 a couple of years ago. Dove predicted Ball to win by over 20.
[/quote] I was there. I saw the Silsbee vs Ball game. It happens all the time in sports. The highly ranked team comes in to play ball and with nothing to prove. The Silsbee Tigers a good local team want to prove they are as good as the big boys. Silsbee had more incentive. This scenario happens in sports all the time. Lamar vs Duke (2000?) At the half, LU was right there with Duke. Duke played LU at a lower intensity level.  When Duke played Kansas (?) the next round, Duke's intensity level was way higher against Kansas than LU.  ;) It happens all the time in sports.  This will be an advantage if Silsbee or HJ make it that far  ;)
[/quote]
I watched that game too. Galveston Ball did not 'hold back' or 'play down'. It was an intense ge from start to finish. If it had been a 5 game series, Silsbee wins 2 of 5, IMO.
[/quote] Liar Abe, you're letting your personal feelings overtake your common sense.  ;D

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1228614" timestamp="1338911601"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100336.msg1228577#msg1228577 date=1338907994]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1228565#msg1228565 date=1338906379]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228559#msg1228559 date=1338905294]
I think Silsbee will get first crack at Yates (cause I think Silsbee will win district, but will not be surprised if they didn't). I would look forward to that match up. Curious to see how the Tigers stack up against the Lions.

I do know this, if Silsbee were to beat Yates (or if the game was close), Dove would come with a host of excuses like he did when Silsbee lost to 4A #1 Galveston Ball 84-82 a couple of years ago. Dove predicted Ball to win by over 20.
[/quote] I was there. I saw the Silsbee vs Ball game. It happens all the time in sports. The highly ranked team comes in to play ball and with nothing to prove. The Silsbee Tigers a good local team want to prove they are as good as the big boys. Silsbee had more incentive. This scenario happens in sports all the time. Lamar vs Duke (2000?) At the half, LU was right there with Duke. Duke played LU at a lower intensity level.  When Duke played Kansas (?) the next round, Duke's intensity level was way higher against Kansas than LU.  ;) It happens all the time in sports.  This will be an advantage if Silsbee or HJ make it that far  ;)
[/quote]
I watched that game too. Galveston Ball did not 'hold back' or 'play down'. It was an intense ge from start to finish. If it had been a 5 game series, Silsbee wins 2 of 5, IMO.
[/quote] Liar Abe, you're letting your personal feelings overtake your common sense.  ;D
[/quote]
Liar?  ??? ::)If I were from Silsbee, call me a Homer, fine. But I'm not from Silsbee, so my view of the game is completely objective.

[CThoops]

I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1228628" timestamp="1338913758"]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1228632" timestamp="1338914072"]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228654" timestamp="1338918393"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

All "home grown" of course

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1228658" timestamp="1338918681"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

All "home grown" of course
[/quote]
Just as "home grown" as the HJ kids.... ::)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228663" timestamp="1338918916"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228658#msg1228658 date=1338918681]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

All "home grown" of course
[/quote]
Just as "home grown" as the HJ kids.... ::)
[/quote]

Nope- 11 of the 12 HJ varsity players have been in the system since at least the 6th grade.  Westend already llisted 4 players that transferred from other schools.  Your statement sounds good to you but is no where close to true.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1228690" timestamp="1338921798"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228663#msg1228663 date=1338918916]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228658#msg1228658 date=1338918681]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

All "home grown" of course
[/quote]
Just as "home grown" as the HJ kids.... ::)
[/quote]

Nope- 11 of the 12 HJ varsity players have been in the system since at least the 6th grade.  Westend already llisted 4 players that transferred from other schools.  Your statement sounds good to you but is no where close to true.
[/quote]
Sure they have...just as 14 of the 15 Dallas Kimball players....but THEY are in the middle of an investigation that could possibly take their state title away this year....and for good reason..THEY broke the rules.

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228704" timestamp="1338922608"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228690#msg1228690 date=1338921798]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228663#msg1228663 date=1338918916]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228658#msg1228658 date=1338918681]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

All "home grown" of course
[/quote]
Just as "home grown" as the HJ kids.... ::)
[/quote]

Nope- 11 of the 12 HJ varsity players have been in the system since at least the 6th grade.  Westend already llisted 4 players that transferred from other schools.  Your statement sounds good to you but is no where close to true.
[/quote]
Sure they have...just as 14 of the 15 Dallas Kimball players....but THEY are in the middle of an investigation that could possibly take their state title away this year....and for good reason..THEY broke the rules.
[/quote]

Therefore, the Yates players aren't anywhere close to being "just as homegrown as the HJ players.  Again, it sounds good to you but it simply is not true.

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228654" timestamp="1338918393"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

Those kids that "played JV and sat out last season."  Why did they sit out?

[stevenash]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228718" timestamp="1338923663"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

Those kids that "played JV and sat out last season."  Why did they sit out?
[/quote]

LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  Is there another phrase that means the same as "up the creek without a paddle"?

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228718" timestamp="1338923663"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

Those kids that "played JV and sat out last season."  Why did they sit out?
[/quote]
Because Greg Wise follows rules and refuses to use his "connection" to the UIL as an advantage as SOME schools tend to do.

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228745" timestamp="1338925308"]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228718#msg1228718 date=1338923663]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

Those kids that "played JV and sat out last season."  Why did they sit out?
[/quote]
Because Greg Wise follows rules and refuses to use his "connection" to the UIL as an advantage as SOME schools tend to do.
[/quote]

Translation_ The Yates is nowhere near as homegrown as he said they were.
Please elaborate on how any school uses its UIL connection to enhance their program rather than just spewing more words.  The "homegrown" was UNEQUIVOCALLY untrue and so is the UIL connection suggestion.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1228622" timestamp="1338912149"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1228614#msg1228614 date=1338911601]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100336.msg1228577#msg1228577 date=1338907994]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100336.msg1228565#msg1228565 date=1338906379]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228559#msg1228559 date=1338905294]
I think Silsbee will get first crack at Yates (cause I think Silsbee will win district, but will not be surprised if they didn't). I would look forward to that match up. Curious to see how the Tigers stack up against the Lions.

I do know this, if Silsbee were to beat Yates (or if the game was close), Dove would come with a host of excuses like he did when Silsbee lost to 4A #1 Galveston Ball 84-82 a couple of years ago. Dove predicted Ball to win by over 20.
[/quote] I was there. I saw the Silsbee vs Ball game. It happens all the time in sports. The highly ranked team comes in to play ball and with nothing to prove. The Silsbee Tigers a good local team want to prove they are as good as the big boys. Silsbee had more incentive. This scenario happens in sports all the time. Lamar vs Duke (2000?) At the half, LU was right there with Duke. Duke played LU at a lower intensity level.  When Duke played Kansas (?) the next round, Duke's intensity level was way higher against Kansas than LU.  ;) It happens all the time in sports.  This will be an advantage if Silsbee or HJ make it that far  ;)
[/quote]
I watched that game too. Galveston Ball did not 'hold back' or 'play down'. It was an intense ge from start to finish. If it had been a 5 game series, Silsbee wins 2 of 5, IMO.
[/quote] Liar Abe, you're letting your personal feelings overtake your common sense.  ;D
[/quote]
Liar?  ??? ::)If I were from Silsbee, call me a Homer, fine. But I'm not from Silsbee, so my view of the game is completely objective.
[/quote] You are not agreeing with me Abe, therefore you cannot be objective as you say  ;)

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1228628" timestamp="1338913758"]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]Thank you! A person who lives in the real world.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1228632" timestamp="1338914072"]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]You haven't seen their JV, have you?

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228745" timestamp="1338925308"]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228718#msg1228718 date=1338923663]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072]
[quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758]
I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble
[/quote]

Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season.
[/quote]
No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season....
[/quote]

Those kids that "played JV and sat out last season."  Why did they sit out?
[/quote]
Because Greg Wise follows rules and refuses to use his "connection" to the UIL as an advantage as SOME schools tend to do.
[/quote]

Well, let me ask it this way.  Under Chapter 440 of the UIL Constitution and Contest Rules, an athlete is eligible to participate in an athletic contest if:

Subject to the other sections of this subchapter, an individual is eligible to participate in a League
varsity athletic contest as a representative of a participant school if that individual:
(a) meets all the requirements of Section 400;
(b) is a resident of the member school district (see Section 442), and a resident of the attendance
zone in which the participant school being attended is situated,
(1) Or has been continuously enrolled in and regularly attending the school for at least the
previous calendar year if his or her parents do not reside within the school district’s
attendance zone; see (5) (B) below for exception. Note: A student who has changed
schools for athletic purposes may be declared ineligible for more than one calendar year.
See Section 443 (f) (3).
(2) Or the student is attending a school outside the attendance zone where the parents reside
because the school board or other appropriate authority changed district or attendance
zone lines.
(3) Or is a transfer student from a public 8-grade ISD not containing a high school, who
transferred at the first opportunity:
(A) to select a high school with geographical boundaries contiguous to his or her K-8
school; or
(B) to a high school for which the K-8 school attended receives state transportation
funds; or
(C) to the high school located nearest the student’s residence.
(4) Intra-District Transfers. A student who has an option to attend more than one high school
within a school district, rather than being assigned to a school according to attendance
zones, is eligible at the school first selected if he/she transfers at the first opportunity. If a
student subsequently transfers to another school, the student is not eligible for varsity
athletic competition until he/she has been in and regularly attended that school for at least
the previous calendar year.
(5) Foreign Exchange Students.
(A) Foreign exchange students are ineligible for varsity athletic contests the first year
they attend a participant school unless they are granted a waiver of the parent
residence rule as outlined in Sections 465 and 468.
(B) Foreign exchange students who receive a foreign exchange waiver and participate in
UIL varsity athletic contests during their first year in the host school may not
participate in those same contests if they return for a second year to the host school.
The student may, however, participate in any other UIL varsity sport.
See Official Interpretations #1 and 4, Appendix I.
(c) is less than 19 years old on September 1 preceding the contest, or has been granted eligibility
based on a disability which delayed his or her education by at least one year (see Section 446);
(d) did not change schools for athletic purposes (see Sections 5 and 443);
(e) is an amateur (see Section 441 and Official Interpretation #11, Appendix I); and
(f) was eligible according to Section 400 (c) (fifteen calendar day rule) and Section 440 (b)
(residence rule) at the participant school the student wishes to represent prior to the deadline
for district certification (non-compliance results in ineligibility only in post-district competition
in that sport).

[b]So my question to you is:[/b]  Which one of the above requirements did those players who had to "play JV and sit out" fail to meet?

[Dick Vitale]

Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228761" timestamp="1338926799"]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

And which of the above requirements did the players fail to meet that caused them to have to sit out?

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228761" timestamp="1338926799"]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1228767" timestamp="1338927099"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?